72 pointsby sergiotapiaa month ago11 comments
  • SockThiefa month ago
    https://xcancel.com/TeamYouTube/status/2009744367834022320#m

    @TeamYouTube responds later that they will reconsider:

    > Really appreciate your response, and can see how sorting by upload date is helpful when tracking breaking news. We're sharing this feedback live with our product team

    • ncr100a month ago
      Kinda gross

      - how important YouTube is in the real world and

      - how disconnected the "Product Team" is, by inference from this reply.

      • magicalhippoa month ago
        I feel product management from a lot of large companies is often very disconnected.

        A semi-random recent example from someone else, Samsung changed contacts list in recent update, so now recently added contacts is above favorite contacts, and it's done in such a way I now have to scroll to get to my favorites... like WTF.

        Samsung aren't unique though. Microsoft for example has spent the first few years if each release of their OS usable since Vista, with the exception of Windows 7.

        • 7bita month ago
          I'd don't think they are disconnected. That would just attribute carelessness where malice should be attributes I believe they are intentionally removing these features to push some metrics to increase their bonuses.
        • ncr10017 days ago
          LOL - great terrible example <3

          "the market moves faster than the tech" and in this case the tech is not evolved (e.g. to protect the fact YOU want your favorites at the top) because the PMs may never prioritize it.

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    • slurpyba month ago
      The removal of sort by date makes any search result algorithmic and thus can be manipulated to match advertiser or paid boosting. No doubt the team doesn’t want this. It’s just enshittification in motion
  • insina month ago
    The `sp` URL parameter for sorting by upload date still works, so I've added an option to restore the Upload date filter to Control Panel for YouTube:

    https://github.com/insin/control-panel-for-youtube/releases/...

  • vivzkestrela month ago
    - anyone got a list of youtube downgrades from the last decade?

    - I got one, "removed the dislike counts"

    • LelouBila month ago
      Forced translations.

      Yes YouTube, I have my browser set to French, but I read and understand English perfectly fine, please stop badly translating English video titles (or force-enabling french auto-dub, it's even worse).

      At least I found an extension for this a couple of days ago :

      https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/youtube-no-tr...

      • snailmailmana month ago
        Ive been trying to learn a new language and this feature is awful.

        It constantly either translates language-learning videos entirely into english or into the language i'm trying to learn. Despite all settings on my account being set to english, if I include any non-english text in my search query that is enough to get youtube to translate all videos out of english. When it does this, there is seemingly no built-in feature to change this back, other than through addons. And there isn't even an indication that conveys the fact the video title and description are auto-translated, other than maybe i recognize the channel and can tell that its supposed to be in another language.

        And part of me thinks, "maybe once i learn enough, such a feature could maybe be helpful in learning a language" But every video ive seen so far thats auto-translated into English is done so quite badly and confusingly. I can't trust the translation.

      • nozzlegeara month ago
        I've only had YouTube force-translate a Spanish video once, and I watch them pretty regularly. Once I turned the translate setting off, it's just stayed off. This is on my Apple TV where I don't (can't) have any extensions installed.
    • 2gremlin181a month ago
      Search results is by far the biggest one. Now after 3-4 relevant results it just shows shorts and other recommended content
      • samenamea month ago
        What’s even the point of this? Is showing random videos really driving up engagement more than surfacing the video I want to watch? This was shocking to me when I first came across it
        • sockaddra month ago
          Yes. They know that most humans typically have poor impulse control, and are easily pulled off task and will fall into an addicting and lucrative loop. Makes perfect sense to show random unrelated shit.
        • efilifea month ago
          It's been like this for a long time so it must be working. My guess is that fewer choices = easier to choose a video.
          • samename21 days ago
            But it's not fewer choices, it's worse choices, or more distracting choices.
    • pier25a month ago
      Everything is worse now compared to 5-10 years ago.

      Search, the ui, recommendations, shorts, all the new ai features (dubbing, translations, upscaling).

    • cromkaa month ago
      Their AppleTV app is super buggy with same bugs for years. Most annoyingly it stars playing same video I already watched a while ago after resuming the device from sleep. It also often zooms-in 4k content after resuming, you have to kill the app to fix it.

      It often resumes video at a random location after you paused it, you have to manually rewind it.

      Some of these bugs are like boomerang, they come back after a year or so.

      From UI perspective, they continue to hide the "recently updated" section, which should list your subscribed content only, and slowly turn it into a TikTok like app, serving you the content they think you need to watch, not the content you subscribed to.

      • yurishimoa month ago
        Do you have autoplay enabled? I find it to be quite buggy across all of their apps.

        Agree with you about the UX changes. I can easily get to “the end” of my feed and refreshing shows me all of the same videos but in a slightly different order. Definitely feels worse than 3 years ago.

        • cromkaa month ago
          I actually did have autoplay enabled. Switched it off, I’ll see how it goes. Thanks!
      • nozzlegeara month ago
        The most annoying Apple TV + YouTube bug for me is selecting any video or short, having it play the first two seconds, and then start buffering for 5+ seconds. Every single time. And this is on a 1gbps+ fiber connection.

        > Most annoyingly it stars playing same video I already watched a while ago after resuming the device from sleep.

        Mine does this sometimes too. If you double click the "Home" button on your remote, you can swipe up to close the YouTube app completely, just like you would to close an app on an iPhone/iPad. Shouldn't be necessary in the first place but it does fix it.

        • cromkaa month ago
          Ah yes, same streaming bug here, also on a gigabit connection over Erhernet! And yes, this is exactly how I deal with this issues and yes, we shouldn’t have to. It’s mind-boggling this company won’t make this product perfect. They can absolutely afford it.
    • dadouma month ago
      - Community translations - Integrated in-video polls - Annotations/Clickable links within videos - Public precise subscriber counts Likely a few others I can't remember right now.
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    • edgineera month ago
      This could get opinionated. I do want to praise increased video quality, added ways for creators to get paid, community posts, thumbnail preview and popularity graph when seeking through a track, chapters, live chatting, caption translation.

      Shorts are mixed. Also, the tragedy of the commons where people are encouraged to make obnoxious thumbnails and titles. Video reply removal, usually the replies weren't good. Unlisted videos all went private automatically on some date. Sorting by oldest when viewing a channel's videos was briefly removed but brought back.

      Bad changes include

      the entire copystrike system, which is more stringent than what the DMCA requires,

      community translation removal, where people could submit subtitles,

      removing dislikes which gave a great red/green bar to indicate a video's quality just below the thumbnail,

      removing video recommendations when logged out or if history is off,

      scaring creators with being labeled aimed for kids (pewdiepie stopped calling his fanbase "9 year-old army" for this),

      the monetization/demonetization system drastically changed how people make videos. e.g., cutting edge engineering recently had to stop swearing so much in their outtakes section, saying "fuck me" when he made a mistake, as YT considers that sexual. nobody dares say the word "suicide" out loud, people use code words to speak. history channels are virtually impossible to monetize without cutting out mention of terrorism.

      the search system by default now shows weird results, I can't quite explain it,

      searching for newsworthy topics will result in you only seeing channels from approved news sources and not regular users (related, ChinesePod had a daily language learning channel using the news, YT said they couldn't categorize as news... not sure if they were forced off but they moved to vimeo),

      gun youtubers worried about showing full-auto firing or how to reload a magazine... I'm still unclear on what they're forbidden to show,

      and the multitude of videos and channels removed for a whole variety of reasons. Just one I'm thinking of is Russel Bentley's channel. "Texas" was his nickname, an American fighting in Petrovski for Russia, showing videos of him talking in a radio station or firing a DShK mounted in an abandoned elementary school. His channel was deleted soon after Russia's most recent invasion of Ukraine. Russia Today/RT's live news was booted too, though that may have been due to US sanctions.

      And age-gating now. it's hard to know which songs will be age-gated, maybe if they use the word "fuck" too much, it's very inconsistent. Now, you have to not only log in to see a video labeled this way, your account must be age-verified. If your account is old YT doesn't ask this, but they do for my ~5 year old account. I haven't done it. Asks for ID or face scan or to be able to log in to your email account.

  • Kim_Bruninga month ago
    Am I crazy or is "sort by (upload) date" or "sort by most recent" by far the most useful option on most sites that you want to use more than once? (If not the only useful option).
  • RevEnga month ago
    Why remove this? Who made a ticket saying "Remove sort by upload date"? This isn't something that happens on a whim. What is the benefit to YouTube?
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  • Vipitisa month ago
    sorting by upload date was the only way to get exact matches in your results, no recommendations, no recent, no relevant, no similar.

    Basically means no more actual search

  • Nextgrida month ago
    Let me guess, they're seeing less "engagement" with AI slop since people were using this to filter them out so they removed it?
  • ulfwa month ago
    Youtube has been getting worse and worse since the new CEO
  • terrycodya month ago
    Its still there for me, HK IP.
  • Lioa month ago
    Textbook enshittification from YouTube. You'll watch what we want you to watch.