3 pointsby silexia21 hours ago3 comments
  • JohnFen14 hours ago
    In other words, live on your knees in fear.
    • silexia10 hours ago
      In other words, participate in the democratic process to change laws rather than fighting the people who have no power to change laws and just have to enforce them whether they agree or not.
  • TimorousBestie20 hours ago
    It’s remarkable that such a short blog post can contain so many factual inaccuracies and completely wrong advice. Police in America have no obligation to assist victims and no duty to detain criminals.

    Actual advice for avoiding police violence in the US: avoid police interactions, move away from cities, stay away from public spaces, and reduce time spent driving.

  • toomuchtodo21 hours ago
    This advice is what gets you killed, police have no duty of care, they can kill you and attempt to claim qualified immunity. If you don’t defend yourself if illegal force is used against you, and let a jury of your peers resolve your freedom, you’ll end up dead on the street with no recourse (which is arguably worse). Compliance means potential death when the law is irrelevant to the aggressor.

    Documenting police activities in public is constitutionally protected. If their job is too hard for their wages, the job is not for them. They protect property, they don’t protect citizens from violence the vast majority of the time. US Supreme Court precedent is they are not required to protect anyone. How many cops sat outside Uvalde while a school shooter rampaged for 77 minutes killing kids? 376.

    Based on the author’s blog posts stating their political and gun ownership thoughts, they should potentially reevaluate their advice from somewhere beyond their lived experience and privilege, and that blind compliance will not protect one’s life in these circumstances. It applies up until the point you believe you’re going to be harmed beyond what is legally permitted, at which point whether they are law enforcement goes out the window. They’re just another human. Evidence is robust around police violence misconduct (citations below).

    Here’s a recent example of a Baltimore police officer trying to run someone over with their car: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kO98OiuqfnM (Subject LEO Robert A. Banks was indicted on charges of second-degree attempted murder, first- and second- degree assault, reckless driving and misconduct)

    https://prospect.org/2022/04/18/police-have-no-duty-to-prote...

    https://policeepi.uic.edu/u-s-data-on-police-shootings-and-v...

    https://mappingpoliceviolence.org/

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uvalde_school_shooting

    • silexia9 hours ago
      There are always a few bad apples in any profession including the police, and bad apples should be prosecuted and convicted.

      I once severely injured my knee and spent two weeks in the hospital. I was extremely bored and became temporarily obsessed with watching videos of police shooting people. I probably watched over 500 of these videos. I would guess I have seen a majority of the police shooting videos that are available on the internet. In every single video, I would have shot before the police officer did. I was amazed by the restraint the vast majority of police have, despite dealing with extraordinarily dangerous situations with people attacking them with guns, knives, vehicles, and other weapons. I would suggest you look beyond your lived experience and privilege and consider what police actually have to deal with day to day.

      • toomuchtodo9 hours ago
        Respectfully, I don't care what they have to deal with. If you can't operate within the law doing the job, quit, find a job more to your liking. The job is a choice, there are other jobs. There is no excuse for the violence and misconduct. They are not special, they just took a job they prefer the benefits over the work, broadly speaking. Perhaps we simply have different standards around accountability, which I accept. When you have a monopoly on force, you should be held to a high standard.