226 pointsby newusertoday20 hours ago40 comments
  • paglaghoda7 hours ago
    replit is actually quite popular among teenagers and basically third world youngsters trying to spin off a service or a "product" of their own.

    - i mean yes u cannot make money out of teenagers but damn replit's Vibe coding tool is fucking good. Better than Lovable or Bolt any day.

    just to give u a perspective from a 20year old kid from a 3rd world county

    • mbesto2 hours ago
      I think this is exactly it. Replit is a cheap and easy way to get an MVP off the ground ASAP. However, their audience is inherently hackathon attendees, not real businesses. Whether these can turn into real businesses (en masse to justify low churn and consistent SaaS ARR) or not is the real question.
    • jokethrowaway2 hours ago
      Why don't you just use Claude?

      I don't get all these vibe coding tools when Claude is better than any of them

      • CharlieDigitalan hour ago
        A friend used Replit to prove out a startup (it worked) and what worked for him is that Replit has a whole platform integrated with their coding assistant that include hosting and backend runtimes. So his cycle time of vibe-deploy-test was very short and very simple for someone non-technical.

        No need to think about how/where to deploy, cloud platforms (AWS, GCP, Azure), etc. Just vibe and deploy.

        (He did end up moving off the platform once he had enough validation)

        • tim33323 minutes ago
          I think experienced programmers underestimate how tricky it is to sort the deploying to cloud platforms bit for beginners.
          • cj16 minutes ago
            Most experienced programmers have no experience deploying apps (or their experience is from earlier in their career). Especially engineers at big companies where there are whole teams dedicated to infra/devops.

            The percentage of programmers with side projects they deploy themselves is very small. I’d guess less than 10% have a side project deployed somewhere. (And these days

      • paglaghodaan hour ago
        claude is just too expensive and u need to atleast a bit technical expertise in it.

        replit has made it like, even a 11 year old can make something out of thin air and acutally publish it to get a link to share

    • truetraveller7 hours ago
      which country are you from?
      • user_78326 hours ago
        Going by the username, I'm guessing India or perhaps Bangadesh
  • sd93 hours ago
    The title is a non-sequitur.

    “Terrorist sympathizer” and “successful businessperson” (or “rich person”) are completely orthogonal. Building a successful business does not necessarily change your terrorist sympathisation status. You can be a rich terrorist sympathiser.

    • terespuwash2 hours ago
      Your comment fails to mention that the accusations of sympathy for terrorism are lies.
      • sd92 hours ago
        I am not equipped to give an opinion on that either way. I’m just saying that building a successful business is independent of the accuracy of your ideology.
        • wulfstan4 minutes ago
          I think this is partly true. Raising the necessary funds, hiring enough of the right people and become sufficiently visible to get "mindshare" are all important factors in building a successful business. It is a lot harder to do these things if your ideology is out of step with what is considered mainstream.
        • nephihaha2 hours ago
          Fair comment. They are two different things.
          • yipbuban hour ago
            I think it's taking things too literally and pointedly ignoring the subtext while unintended or not having subtext of their own.

            feels like sophistry

            the article connects the two, so they are not orthonogonal either:

            > But even as things got noisy in public, Masad met eerie silence professionally. “My calendar was suddenly empty, because I was talking about Palestine,” he said. “Replit was not a hot company anymore. We did a layoff. And at the same time, a lot of my friends were no longer my friends. I was no longer invited to parties.”

            > Potential partnerships dried up. Masad became a frequent topic in pro-Israel tech groupchats, a source said, where some investors accused him of being antisemitic.

            > A Replit investor who requested anonymity to speak candidly told me Masad’s public persona has been “really challenging,” and he’s had to defend the founder in investor circles. I asked if Masad had lost business because of his views. “I’m sure the answer is yes,” the investor said.

  • kburman30 minutes ago
    You can be a controversial figure politically and still build a generation defining product. The market rewards utility, not ideological purity.

    The headline frames this as a paradox, as if these two things are incompatible. But they aren't mutually exclusive, he can be both.

  • internet_points5 hours ago
    well, it's not a high bar – these days anyone who says "I support Palestine Action" or "she was murdered by ICE" is called a terrorist sympathizer
    • flumpcakes4 hours ago
      > these days anyone who says "I support Palestine Action"

      They have a video of people from this group attacking police with sledgehammers. It is strange how much of this 'direction action' is harming Ukraine support and not Israel. If people wanted to support Palestine they can do it without attacking their own countries' military - which is not operating in Israel at all.

      > "she was murdered by ICE"

      They have a video of her being shot, pretty much needlessly. I'd say that should be manslaughter at a minimum.

      • gghhzzgghhzz2 hours ago
        "They have a video of people from this group attacking police with sledgehammers"

        Do you have the name or names of the person accused of 'attacking police with sledgehammers'?

        I've heard a lot about this, but it's difficult to get to actual sources about exactly what is alleged.

        Even if this did happen as you say. attachking police with sledgehammers is assault, potentially even attempted murder. There's plenty of laws for that.

        It's not terrorism.

        • amiga38615 minutes ago
          > Do you have the name or names of the person accused of 'attacking police with sledgehammers'?

          You should be less flippant.

          The accused's name is Samuel Corner. He and his friends are still on trial for their actions.

          Here's the bodycam footage where you see Samuel Corner attack police seargent Kate Evans with a sledgehammer while she was on the ground, fracturing her spine. Watch from 3m05s to 3m10s:

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6P7p_5D4hw

          The police seargent is now disabled:

          https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4g54g1r15eo

          > It's not terrorism.

          The group's stated aim is to stop the UK or any UK companies giving Israel any military support. They target companies who they think supply Israel. They break in and smash them, and as you've hopefully just seen with your own eyes, they are not afraid to attack people with sledgehammers. They use violence to achieve their political aim. They are terrorists and belong in prison.

          https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1dzq41n4l9o

          > Samuel Corner, 23, [...] Oxford University graduate from Devon [...] when asked why he struck Sgt Evans with the sledgehammer, he replied: "It was me not really knowing what I was doing

          Thanks Samuel. That Oxford degree really shows, doesn't it?

      • Y_Y4 hours ago
        Congratulations, you've reached the level of "terrorist well-wisher"
        • flumpcakes3 hours ago
          Is there something you disagree with? My opinions were pretty neutral.
          • Y_Y3 hours ago
            I just felt you didn't quite reach the criteria for "terrorist sympathizer" outlined above. I don't make the rules!
          • simondotau3 hours ago
            The internet is where every issue is a binary, nuance is scorned, and moderate views are weakness. You should know this already.
            • iso16312 hours ago
              "centrist dad" is apparently an insult
            • HPsquared3 hours ago
              It's like Hamlet. "To upvote, or to downvote".
          • megous2 hours ago
            UK military is operating in Palestine (very frequent military flights from their post-colonial base in Cyprus), and is operating in Israel (when they were shooting down drones, etc.), and is supplying Israel with weapons (directly by soldier training and indirectly by allowing to use their military bases), and joined in international coverup (they have detailed intelligence on what Israel was doing in Gaza, which they never released publicly any part of).

            Pretty solid basis for direct action.

            If they provided this level of support for Russia, they'd be a new Belarus.

            • dgroshev2 hours ago
              Equating surveillance flights off the coast with "operating in the country" is tenuous at best. If that's the threshold, Russian military is already operating in Britain (see Yantar's adventures).

              The mental effort a lot of people has made to pretend they aren't entirely powerless and irrelevant for stopping Israel's crimes is deeply impressive. The reality is that there's nothing the UK can do to stop Israel as long as the US is supporting them (short of going to war with both the US and Israel), but this reality is at odds with the desire to do something, so people invent and inflate leverage where there isn't any. Moreover, most of the time the very same people oppose creating more leverage for the future, as your added qualifier of "post-colonial" implies. It's depressing.

      • philipwhiuk3 hours ago
        > It is strange how much of this 'direction action' is harming Ukraine support

        How is direct action on Palestine impacting Ukraine support? (We are also not intervening in Ukraine)

        • flumpcakes3 hours ago
          > (We are also not intervening in Ukraine)

          Not direct intervention; but we fly sorties, provide intelligence, ship military equipment, build systems for... None of which we provide Israel for their current war.

          It's just odd to me that Israel draws so much Ire when the UK deals with all sorts. There are many worse things happening that doesn't get a second of airtime.

          • 2 hours ago
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      • femiagbabiaka3 hours ago
        The UK military is and has been operating in Gaza, the UK government is just lying about it. Public flight tracking data makes it obvious.
        • flumpcakes3 hours ago
          That's a big statement to make - do you have any credible sources on that?
          • barnabee3 hours ago
            At a minimum the RAF has operated hundreds of surveillance flights over Gaza.

            Multiple sources linked on Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_and_the_Gaza_wa...

            • flumpcakesan hour ago
              If I recall correctly this was in direct response to British citizens being kidnapped and held hostage inside Gaza. These were intelligence sorties with the express aim to help locate UK citizens.
            • duggan2 hours ago
              "Robot boots 30,000 feet above the ground" doesn't have quite the same ring to it.
              • femiagbabiaka33 minutes ago
                I guess those Russian drones in Ukraine aren’t military combatants then?
            • 2 hours ago
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    • reliabilityguyan hour ago
      > these days anyone who says "I support Palestine Action"

      You mean the group that sneaked in and damaged a bunch of UK Military’s planes on a military base? Was this the action that put them into the terrorist category?

      • avianlyric32 minutes ago
        Not quite in the same league as IS, Al-Qaeda etc etc. Used to be a organisation had to murder and terrorise an entire population, or fly planes into city centres.

        Apparently our standards have dropped so low that spray painting a couple of planes and embarrassing the UK military now puts you on par with those other organisations.

      • ikamm40 minutes ago
        "Damaged a bunch of UK Military's planes" == spray painted two planes
      • giraffe_lady3 minutes ago
        Damaging military equipment is the farthest thing from terrorism. That's literally the one thing that can never be terrorism.
      • amiga38628 minutes ago
        Yes. They're a bunch of violent criminals. But that's not the point.

        There are lots of violent criminals who harm businesses and injure, or even kill people. They should be prosecuted and imprisoned. It's not illegal to say "I support <name of criminal or criminal gang>", even if people strongly disagree with you.

        However, by showing they could break into an RAF base and spraypaint the planes - that says to me that the RAF are completely shit at their job, how can they protect their base from Russians if they can't even keep out local criminals - embarrassed the Government, and the government retaliated by making it illegal to say you support them.

        Say it out loud? Criminal. Wear a t-shirt? Criminal. Hold a placard? Criminal.

        Might as well just hold up blank sheets of paper and wait for the police to arrest you because they know what you want to write on them, like they do in Russia.

        To me, that's a free speech issue. What an affront to free speech it is. Saying you support criminal scumbags should not be a crime. You should be able to say you support a bunch of violent yahoos, to whoever will listen to you, and I should be able to laugh at you and call you a simpleton for your idiot beliefs.

        • kolektiv11 minutes ago
          I'm not sure they've been shown to be violent (unless you consider damage to property as violence- I know some do, but personally my "things are just things" stance limits violence to actions which impact people, who matter.

          Broadly speaking though, I agree. What they did was criminal damage, undoubtedly, I have no problem arresting and prosecuting people for that. But I don't believe that it's terrorism, nor that it would have been so unpopular had it not been bloody embarrassing for the armed forces. Honestly, bolt cutters and some paint should not be grounding some of your air defence.

  • pamcake3 hours ago
    Are we still doing these kinds of lionizing puff pieces after SBF, Holmes, Musk and all the others? By now, I consider being featured in one a negative signal.
    • nephihaha2 hours ago
      You've got to admit Holmes is an interesting character though.
    • gulfofamericaan hour ago
      Model Y and Falcon 9 are fakes?
  • jwblackwell5 hours ago
    I absolutely love the idea of Replit and I think it's an awesome platform and idea.

    I do wonder how sustainable it is as a business though. I expect Replit is sending the majority of that money to the big AI labs through API costs

    As soon as anything becomes serious you're going to try and take it off Replit and use something like Claude Code and AWS etc

  • terespuwash2 hours ago
    It's fascinating to read how Hacker News helped make Replit successful. I hope everyone will try this tool! I wonder if Masad still scrolls here nowadays.
  • SwtCyber3 hours ago
    So success buys you ideological latitude
  • nikanjan hour ago
    Who in this current political climate hasn't been called a 'terrorist sympathizer'? Feels like 80% of the population qualify
  • indigodaddy10 hours ago
    exe.dev is already miles better already than what replit is attempting to do with it's AI things
  • eltondegeneres19 hours ago
    > Masad, 38, has felt obliged to speak out about Gaza ever since, calling out those in tech who, in his view, have supported Israel’s “genocide” of the Palestinian people.

    This sentence would be better without the scare quotes. Something like "calling out those in tech who support what he views as a genocide."

    • nailer16 hours ago
      [flagged]
      • cholantesh16 hours ago
        As it happens, genocide scholars disagree with you, and in any case, Gaza's population has not increased.
        • FunnyUsername13 hours ago
          It's at least plausible that the population did increase. Estimates of births during the war are larger than the casualty count that Hamas claims.
          • pcthrowaway13 hours ago
            It'd be nice if Israel would let UN fact-finding missionaries or other independent research teams into Gaza to find out (in addition to not barring and/or killing humanitarian aid workers)
            • Cyph0n13 hours ago
              Or even international media outside of proctored propaganda trips. They obviously have learned their lesson since the 1982 invasion.
              • FunnyUsername10 hours ago
                It’s perfectly normal for militaries to have press restrictions in conflict zones, for opsec among other good reasons. No one bats an eye when Ukraine does it for example.
                • Cyph0n10 hours ago
                  Bad analogy, for two reasons:

                  1. Ukraine’s media restrictions are virtually non-existent when compared to those enforced by the Israelis in Gaza, including the intentional bombing of media offices. Keep in mind that Hamas has repeatedly called upon Israel to allow foreign press and NGOs to visit and see what’s happening on the ground.

                  2. The Ukraine war is a conventional war between sovereign nations with standing militaries with equivalent capabilities (air force, anti-air defenses, armored vehicles, bomb shelters, etc). The Gaza genocide is an onslaught by a sovereign nation with a well equipped military against a militant group in a dense urban area. Leveling entire city blocks when fighting against an opponent that has no air force or anti-air capabilities is not only unimpressive, but also breaks the principle of proportionality.

                  • FunnyUsername9 hours ago
                    1. It's pretty much the same - no press in dangerous areas unless invited and escorted by the military. The only major difference is that Ukraine is >1000x larger, and has safe areas far from any fighting where such press restrictions aren't needed.

                    2. You're making a bunch of separate accusations without connecting them to the topic at hand, which was press restrictions.

                    • Cyph0n9 hours ago
                      No, they’re not the same, and (2) is very relevant.

                      Let me reiterate: Ukraine is a sovereign nation with a sovereign military that has the ability to enforce restrictions within its own territory.

                      To bring your bad analogy more in line with reality on the ground, imagine if Ukraine was still part of/occupied by the USSR/Russia, and Russia enforced press restrictions across all of Ukrainian territory during a Ukrainian insurgency. However, in this theoretical USSR, Ukrainians did not get Soviet citizenship, and were under a total blockade.

                      > The only major difference is that Ukraine is >1000x larger, and has safe areas far from any fighting where such press restrictions aren't needed.

                      But Israel never allowed press into the strip, even during “ceasefire” periods - like right now! This implies that Israel is not somehow paternalistically concerned for press safety; it simply wants a media blackout.

                      So no, this “major difference” is irrelevant when comparing restrictions between the two conflicts.

                      • FunnyUsername8 hours ago
                        I'm not sure what you're getting at. Universally, modern militaries don't like journalists wandering around near their assets.

                        > and Russia enforced press restrictions across all of Ukrainian territory

                        Your analogy isn't very different from reality. Russia does enforce press restrictions near military assets, including in occupied parts of Ukraine.

                        > However, in this theoretical USSR, Ukrainians did not get Soviet citizenship, and were under a total blockade.

                        That would seem very unfair, if Russia did it just because they're mean and not because this hypothetical Ukraine had launched tens of thousands of rockets at them. But I'm not sure what it has to do with press restrictions.

                        > even during “ceasefire” periods

                        The ceasefire was pretty much dead once Hamas attacked IDF soldiers in Rafah. Now it's just a lower-intensity conflict. Still not a great idea to have random journalists waltzing around and tweeting photos of military assets.

                        > it simply wants a media blackout

                        This is a funny explanation because there are millions of cameras in Gaza anyway, and this is the second most covered conflict (by metrics like article count) in all of human history. Not much of a "blackout" at all.

                        • Cyph0n2 hours ago
                          Alright, your good faith arguments have convinced me! To summarize:

                          On one side, two sovereign nations setting press restrictions in areas they control. Standard stuff.

                          On the other side, a genocidal state blockading a tiny strip of land for 20 years waging a campaign that has killed & maimed so many children that we have lost count unilaterally enforcing a total international media blackout. Also standard stuff.

                          Silly me, how could I even argue about this? It’s just so damn obvious! Sometimes, arguing with random anons on HN pays off :)

          • jjk16613 hours ago
            Gaza population September 2023: 2.3 million. Gaza population September 2025: 2.1 million.

            Hamas casualties make up only a portion of palestinian casualties; palestinian casualties make up only a portion of excess deaths; excess deaths make up only a portion of total deaths.

            • FunnyUsername10 hours ago
              The next census will be in 2027. No one knows the population until then.

              It’s not clear that Hamas limits their counts to excess deaths. Even if they intended to, a lot of it is based on a web form, with not much validation besides basic checks that the person exists etc.

              As with pretty much any conflict, there's a ton of uncertainly, and people shouldn't be recklessly speculating based on things like WhatsApp chats. Responsible casualty estimates would look more like Ukraine, where for example Zelenskyy said "tens of thousands" (one significant digit) were killed in Mariupol.

          • cholantesh8 hours ago
            Estimates of birth that rely on the mid-2023 figure and deliberately ignore Israel's systematic dismantling of the health and food systems in Gaza and the drop in fertility levels.

            >the casualty count that Hamas claims

            The Gaza Health Ministry's count is widely regarded as an underestimate, but mostly by people who don't refer to it with a dogwhistling caveat.

        • nailer10 hours ago
          I wasn’t going to reply but since you’ve been rescued from the flags: which “genocide scholars” think that in increase in population is possible during a genocide?

          And yes, it has.

          • cholantesh9 hours ago
            I figured it may have been because you decided to get informed about how genocides are identified by intent and not population deltas. But since you think a projection is the same thing as a census, that obviously isn't the case.
            • nailer5 hours ago
              Regarding intent: if Israel intended to kill everyone in Palestine they’d nuke them, and not risk the lives of their children trying to ensure noncombatants are out of harms way in operations against Hamas.
    • kiliantics17 hours ago
      The phrasing in the article shows very strong bias towards Israel in general
    • metabagel8 hours ago
      I agree with you that it’s a genocide, but that is not universally accepted, so I think the scare quotes are OK. This article isn’t seeking to litigate the genocide in Gaza.

      Scare quotes don’t mean that it’s not true.

  • didibus19 hours ago
    Reading through this piece and all I can think of is how he's just the other side of the same coin. Simply a different color of the same elitism that our world is moving into as money concentrates and starts to meddle more and more with our political spheres while accountability slowly errodes to zero.
    • cholantesh17 hours ago
      I found the piece rambling and incoherent, but I don't really see how this follows. This is an individual Jordanian founder who made a political statement. That's not really the same thing as the deep integration between the Israeli state, Zionist organizations, and big tech.
      • simulator5g12 hours ago
        The coin is wealthy people. They're different sides of that coin. Hence why the commenter above is sensing some malice from both sides.
        • refulgentis11 hours ago
          Both sides of...what? I'm confused. Is the idea "all these people have a lot more money than I think they'll ever need and it makes me mad"? Me too. Just don't see how it's relevant.
          • hn_throwaway_999 hours ago
            The idea is that as money gets so concentrated, so does real political power. And with that concentration of political power comes extreme disregard for the opinions of the masses. I think it's a fair argument that the world has always catered to the will of rich people, but the difference now is that rich people are so unfathomably rich, and so much wealth is concentrated in so few.
            • refulgentis9 hours ago
              I see, thank you.

              More plainly on my part, though I'm worried sounds like berating when the comments are viewed consecutively: what does that have to do with the article we are discussing?

              • close0434 minutes ago
                > “There was an aspect of, like, ‘Fuck the system,’” Masad said. “‘We need to remake civilization.’”

                No matter what the political views, running into "real" money radicalizes most people and gives them the impression that they reached a superior evolutionary stage that uniquely entitles them... no, demands from them that they bend society and human civilization to their will, reshape it in their image, make it better because they are better. A sort of messianic complex.

                This is the famous horseshoe paradox that says extremes are closer to each other than to the center. They might look completely different in their views but in reality they're back to back in the same place. 2 sides of the same coin. Different imprint, same value.

            • csallen9 hours ago
              > but the difference now is that rich people are so unfathomably rich...

              Compared to when? How many times in history has wealth been less concentrated?

              As far as I'm aware, for almost all of history post-agriculture, wealth was highly concentrated while the average person lived in abject poverty (think: kings vs peasants). The mid-20th century was an era of mass prosperity in the US and parts of Europe, but it was an anomalous few decades, not the norm.

              • lukan7 hours ago
                "The mid-20th century was an era of mass prosperity in the US and parts of Europe, but it was an anomalous few decades, not the norm."

                But to those living and remembering that era - it was the norm that they (we) compare with, so it is the reference that matters.

              • TitaRusellan hour ago
                In the past you could find rich people on the battlefield. The last time America tried that was in Vietnam.

                That is what has changed.

              • stavros5 hours ago
                > How many times in history has wealth been less concentrated?

                Mostly all of them! There have been periods where inequality dropped, but mostly it's been rising since at least the 1300s. I'm on mobile and can't link research, but there are a few papers that investigate this.

                > As far as I'm aware, for almost all of history post-agriculture, wealth was highly concentrated while the average person lived in abject poverty (think: kings vs peasants).

                And yet it was less unequal than now, an era where we've managed to use technology to concentrate wealth at an unprecedented scale. No longer is the richest person you know the king who collects your taxes next door, now it's a SV trillionaire on the other side of the world.

      • ArneBab8 hours ago
        Last I checked the Koch Brothers weren’t Israeli. Do read up on them. Oversimplified narratives are bullshit.
      • Sammi14 hours ago
        The only difference being that he wants to replace those with himself and his.
      • SpicyLemonZest13 hours ago
        As the article mentions, Saudi Arabia is aiming to build its own deep integration with big tech, which Masad is enthusiastically participating in despite the Saudi government's own human rights issues. (He argues, quite conveniently if true, that the Replit tools he sells to the Saudi government won't be used for any of the bad stuff.)
        • cholantesh12 hours ago
          This clarifies things, thank you. I've gotten the impression that Masad doesn't have a very coherent worldview so I doubt he has given this contradiction much thought.
          • ebbi12 hours ago
            What gives you that impression?
            • cholantesh8 hours ago
              Reading the article? The only thing resembling an ideology in there is a vague libertarianism of the like a lot of founders express.
            • kingkawn11 hours ago
              His own incoherent worldview
      • darubedarob8 hours ago
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      • UltraSane6 hours ago
        What does "Zionist" mean to you? I honestly don't understand what it means when Israel has existed as a Jewish state for 76 years and seems likely to continue doing so for the foreseeable future.
        • flumpcakes4 hours ago
          Zionist has become the OK word used to bash Jewish people. You ask 10 people what the word means you'll get 11 answers.

          Is 'Zionism' the expansion of Israel into other territories?

          Is 'Zionism' the belief that Israel and the majority of the world's Jews shouldn't be exterminated?

          I thought it meant the first, lately I think people are meaning the second.

          • cess114 hours ago
            Zionism is a political movement that perpetrates atrocities with the aim of removing jewish populations from other parts of the world and settling them in Palestine.

            It consists mainly of christians. If you assemble ten random zionists most or all of them will be christians, not jews.

            • soldthat3 hours ago
              That’s just ziophobia.
              • Amir_Aan hour ago
                That's just the truth
            • mupuff12342 hours ago
              Cristian evangelicals would be a much better term.
            • flumpcakes4 hours ago
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        • cess114 hours ago
          Zionism is older than the state of Israel. It is a political movement consisting mainly of christians.

          If you want to learn more you could do worse than follow Zachary Foster's lectures for the Rutgers Center:

          https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=zachary+foster+...

          The podcast The Empire Never Ended has recently finished a rather good series on Meir Kahane, one of the most important influences on contemporary zionism:

          https://www.patreon.com/tenepod

          • nephihaha2 hours ago
            Although Palestinian nationalism does predate modern Zionism as it was originally directed at the Ottoman Rulers.
          • femiagbabiaka3 hours ago
            Kahane, notably a terrorist and racial supremacist.
    • throw3108227 hours ago
      > is how he's just the other side of the same coin.

      Yes. And one side of the coin supports and justifies colonialism, apartheid and even genocide; the other side fights against it.

    • xbmcuser8 hours ago
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  • anonzzzies11 hours ago
    Of all the tools I try and review, replit remains to be simply the worst in my opinion. I struggle to do anything useful with it except trivial hello world type of stuff. The bubble is real.
    • verisimi7 hours ago
      I can't tell if this is valid criticism or a political statement.
      • anonzzzies6 hours ago
        It is not political; I did not know the owner had political opinions. I started using Replit before it had AI, had some ideas and they gave me a free year of AI last year when I complained it is so far behind the rest. And imho, it still is.

        Like the other comment here: I just have much better outcomes with the same prompts with other tools. That is all I meant to say.

      • pcurve6 hours ago
        Personally speaking, I get much better outcome from Lovable than Replit using same prompts.
  • dcreater13 hours ago
    Replit seems to be another company that doesn't justify it's valuation in this bubble
    • SwtCyber3 hours ago
      Replit has been around for years, has real users, and now reportedly real revenue
    • riku_iki13 hours ago
      My bet is they sold lots if data for llm training
      • ramoz12 hours ago
        I think they are just hitting the consumer market hard. I have friends who have never coded & are using Replit. That said, not a single one of them has launched.
        • JLO6410 hours ago
          I can second this. I'm an online coding instructor and within our company Replit was the website/environment we were told to use with our students. I really didn't like it due to all the AI features (I believe that when you're learning to code you shouldn't use LLMs) but the collaboration features were really good.

          Unfortunately they added a limit to the number of collaborators per account and we had to stop using it.

  • primitivesuave19 hours ago
    Public opinion on Amjad shifted quite a bit in 2021 when he threatened to sue a former intern for his open-source project.

    https://intuitiveexplanations.com/tech/replit/

    • siltcakes12 hours ago
      My opinion on him shifted because along with Paul Graham, they're the only tech leaders who have stood up for Palestinians. I don't agree with Graham on everything either, but I've gained a lot of respect for him speaking out against Zionism. They're rich, but it still is difficult to go against the entire venture capital industry to do the right thing.
    • bitbasher14 hours ago
      This was the first thing I remembered about Amjad. I have never thought highly of him since.
    • 19 hours ago
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  • redwood8 hours ago
    I'm not a fan of a guy who builds a brand around politics. It will come around.
    • lostlogin7 hours ago
      Like it has to other business guys who have built a brand around politics?
  • aerodog19 hours ago
    "was called" - who was behind that?
  • thedelanyo11 hours ago
    "one being so good that anyone can become a software engineer".

    Of course, smartphones' cameras are so good and accessible, but not anyone who became a professional photographer?

    And of course, isn't software engineering far beyond than simply writing code in any form - whether in English or in symbols?

    • SwtCyber3 hours ago
      Smartphone cameras didn't turn everyone into a professional photographer, but they did radically expand who can take usable photos, experiment, and occasionally produce something valuable without years of training
    • conception7 hours ago
      Yes but smartphones decimated photography jobs, especially on the low end.
      • mschuster916 hours ago
        Pareto principle in action - smartphones are good enough for 80% of use cases. And so is AI for a lot of junior-level work.

        The problem is, when there are no trainee and junior positions (and, increasingly, intermediate) being filled any more... there is no way for people to rise to senior levels. And that is going to screw up many industries hard.

        • lazyasciiart2 hours ago
          Many industries have hit this without AI. One example is surveying: it used to be that you’d have a crew of survey techs moving around equipment and measuring reference points, a crew chief, and a licensed surveyor directing and signing off on them. Those techs and crew chief were the future surveyors, as licensed surveyor requires x years working under supervision.

          Now there’s one or two guys out there with a total station and/or drone. You’ve gone from 10 techs/junior positions per surveyor to 1. The average surveyor is something like 60 years old and has no successor lined up.

    • WalterBright10 hours ago
      Programming is mostly a craft. Engineering would be more like designing algorithms.
      • immibis10 hours ago
        That's research. Engineering would be programming, but well. Taking into account future maintenance concerns and so on. Seems like the software world doesn't do a lot of it.
        • WalterBright9 hours ago
          craft: downloading an 8088 emulator and using it

          engineering: implementing an 8088 emulator

          science: discovering a way to make an 8088 emulator using quantum computing

        • echelon7 hours ago
          > Engineering would be programming, but well.

          Software engineering is systems and measurement.

          Capacity planning, growth rates, algorithmic complexity (typically not to the point of designing new fundamental algorithms), durability, DR, eventual consistency, race conditions, schema design, systems architecture, instrumentation, statistics, sampling, more measurement, tech debt maintenance and pragmatism, online migrations, designing for five nines uptime ...

          Programming is turning requirements into code with or without respect to these higher level criteria. The implementation detail.

          "Engineering would be programming, but well" fits :)

    • thesmtsolver27 hours ago
      Just like word processing software and LLMs meant anyone can become a journalist. /s
  • mannanj11 hours ago
    So I got excited and used Replit because I heard about it in a Diary of a Ceo podcast. Spent days working on my project, it was working in their unique tech stack and when I did local git commits it locked some files and conflicted with their replit agent also doing git operations and got stuck in a loop where the fix was to do a git reset --hard and reset the state.

    Unfortunately their tooling locks me out from doing that and I wouldn't get help from their team after asking twice and getting moved to several different support members of their team. They just ghosted me and so I left and took my business elsewhere. Doesn't seem like it was made for advanced users.

    Unfortunate.

    • danpalmer11 hours ago
      Unsurprising, the Diary of a CEO guy is a snake oil salesman. Awful interviewer, but very good at self promotion.
    • jrochkind111 hours ago
      The idea of "advanced users" of vibe coding is interesting.
  • jjsullivan519610 hours ago
    This guy isn't a mold-breaking radical, he's just a garden variety sociopath https://intuitiveexplanations.com/tech/replit/
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    • leoh8 hours ago
      Yup.
  • gameboy4519 hours ago
    interesting hearing his justification for working w Saudi but not Israel: He says he would never work with Israel now. “I think it’s an illegitimate and criminal government,” he told me during our gun safety training. “I mean, [Benjamin] Netanyahu is a war criminal.”

    When I pointed out that Saudi Arabia has its own abysmal human rights record, Masad drew a contrast.

    “I just think about how Replit is going to be used. Like, Israel is actively committing genocide and ethnic cleansing, and if you sell to the government there, it’s possible that they’re going to use it for that,” he said, pointing to the country’s use of Microsoft cloud services to track Palestinians’ phone calls. (After an investigation by The Guardian, Microsoft said it disabled the services that made the tracking possible in September."

    • hiyer13 hours ago
      Seems like a silly excuse. If his concern is that Israel could use Replit for military purposes, then SA is perfectly capable of doing the same. And SA has - directly or indirectly - killed more people in Yemen than Israel has in Gaza.
      • ebbi11 hours ago
        I mean, if he was really consistent, he'd also not be operating a business in America, given America is responsible for the deaths of millions of innocent civilians (more than Israel and SA combined) in recent history.
        • dralley11 hours ago
          I'd love to hear an argument for this being true that doesn't involve counting all of the deaths caused by Sunni-Shia sectarian violence in Iraq, suicide bombings in civilian markets, ISIS etc. as caused by America.
          • ebbi11 hours ago
            Well there's Vietnam, Afghanistan, Syria, Yemen, Libya etc which would tally ~300k civilian deaths alone. Given the blatantly false pretences that America invaded Iraq under, and the sectarian violence that significantly flared post-Saddam, I don't see why you'd not want to involve Iraq in the stats?
            • dralley11 hours ago
              I accept US responsibility for a great many of the civilian deaths caused in Vietnam. I don't accept US responsibility for Islamists of different varieties blowing up each other's markets and places of worship with weapons provided by Iran and Syria.
              • ebbi11 hours ago
                So you don't accept the fact that a lot of this sectarian violence flared after the toppling of Saddam, which was because of the US? And how many of the deaths do you attribute to the sectarian violence, as opposed to the direct actions of the US in the region?
                • UltraSane6 hours ago
                  The VAST majority of the deaths were from sectarian violence.
                  • jokowueu5 hours ago
                    That was caused by a power vacuum and US's intentional act to oust the Ba'ath Party, remove all control from a country and it will fall to chaos especially when blood feuds are involved .
                  • cess114 hours ago
                    After toppling Saddam Hussein the US took political control in the country and decided who got to decide what. The slaughter that followed was a direct and rather predictable result of this.
              • angra_mainyu4 hours ago
                Hey, get with the times. Whitewashing jihadis is in vogue these days.
              • lostlogin8 hours ago
                Do you believe the violence would have happened without the US invasion?
              • krainboltgreene10 hours ago
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                • dralley9 hours ago
                  What is your preferred term for individuals and groups whose stated goal is to create a non-pluralistic religious state advantaging specifically their own religious sect, and whose means involves committing public mass killing of civilians along sectarian religious lines?
                  • dspillett4 hours ago
                    Religious zelots. There is nothing specifically Islamic in that description.
                  • mindslight8 hours ago
                    Republicans?

                    (come on, it's just a joke. we're still allowed to laugh at jokes, right?)

                  • siltcakes7 hours ago
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        • jryle709 hours ago
          "responsible" is a weasel word. By that logic China is also "responsible" for Cambodia genocide 1975-1979, and who are responsible for Sudan famine?
      • catlover7613 hours ago
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      • DSingularity5 hours ago
        Am I in some weird alternative universe where Israel did not just engage in a genocidal campaign against a population of Palestinians that are descendants of refugees from their prior genocidal campaign? Israel just finished killing probably over a hundred thousand civilians. The displaced the majority of Gaza. They destroyed the vast majority of its hospitals and universities and public infrastructure. They killed foreign aid workers even after those foreign aid workers cleared their routes with Israelis. Israeli soldiers raped Palestinians on camera. Then those solders were celebrated on public Israeli television and by the Israeli government. Attempts to prosecute those solders resulted in punishment for the prosecutors.

        Is Saudi Arabia a human rights violator? Yeah and so is a bunch of western governments. But no modern government comes close to the abuses of the Israeli government and Israeli military. This is the view of the free people of this world.

        • HappyPanacea3 hours ago
          > from their prior genocidal campaign

          Not only there is not a good argument for considering 1948 war a genocide on Palestinians but there is a much stronger argument Arabs have tried to genocide Jews (especially to those who think who think there was a genocide in Gaza because of starvation as a weapon of war + intent):

          1. In 1948 Arab forces besieged Jerusalem and they were starting to run out of food.

          2. Azzam Pasha, General Secretary of the Arab League, famously threatened "a war of extermination and a momentous massacre", Fawzi al-Qawuqji, commander of the Arab Liberation Army said that "we will have to initiate total war. We will murder, wreck and ruin everything standing in our way, be it English, American or Jewish.". Hell, several have even extended the threats to not just the Jews of Mandatory Palestine, but to Jews of the Arab world as a whole, such as Iraqi prime minister Nuri al-Said("if a satisfactory solution of the Palestine case was not reached, severe measures should be taken against all Jews in Arab countries.") or the head of the Egyptian delegation to the General Assembly, Muhammad Hussein Heykal("the lives of 1,000,000 Jews in Muslim countries would be jeopardized by the establishment of a Jewish state." ). As Matiel Mughannam, head of the Arab Women's Organization in Palestine put it in an interview with Nadia Lourie in January 1948, "The UN decision has united all Arabs, as they have never been united before, not even against the Crusaders.... [A Jewish state] has no chance to survive now that the `holy war' has been declared. All the Jews will eventually be massacred. " (See Benny Morris' 1948 for sources on all of these)

          • Amir_A2 hours ago
            Typical hasbara whataboutism, equating a statement by one guy that may or may not have been said 70 years ago to a livestream slaughter we just witnessed, where more than 50% of Israelis say "not enough force was used", not just offhanded remarks by radical leaders, which there are literal gigabytes of from Israelis of all walks of life. Just open up any popular political figure's Twitter and you'll see the most horrific statements, and not just statements, but action.
            • HappyPanacea2 hours ago
              It isn't whataboutism to point out a wrong claim. Which statement is "a statement by one guy that may or may not have been said 70 years ago"? I gave four. I have made no claims about the current situation (and there was also plenty of action in 1948).
              • Amir_Aan hour ago
                It is when your trying to deflect. Your source is Benny Morris lmao, that's one unreliable source for all "four statements"
          • DSingularity20 minutes ago
            Please. There is literally documentaries with retirement age Israelis laughing about the horrible things they did to ethnically cleanse Jaffa and Haifa and various parts of historic Palestine. You accepting real war crimes that have happened repeatedly — from before Israel to now — at the hands of blood thirsty European Zionist settlers against Palestinians because of some rhetoric of Arab leaders? The way Zionists can act like victims when their victims get angry and fight back. It’s like that famous quote by that Ukrainian settler of Palestine that was a prime minister “we will never forgive the Arabs for making us kill their children” or something like that. Psychopaths.
      • yeasku12 hours ago
        More than 70000 including 20000 children? Wow thats a lot.
        • dralley12 hours ago
          You say that like it's unrealistic. The accepted death toll for the conflict in Yemen is nearly 400,000 people.
    • davedx5 hours ago
      If your primary cause is Palestine then it's pretty internally consistent?
    • imp0cat5 hours ago
      Pecunia non olet.
      • pbhjpbhj2 hours ago
        [money doesn't stink]

        It truly does though. Any significant pile of it stinks of exploitation and death.

    • mattfrommars12 hours ago
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      • E-Reverance12 hours ago
        > blowing up kids

        not to refute the difference in extent but this is somewhat notable https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dahyan_airstrike

      • energy12311 hours ago
        The Saudi war against Houthis was more brutal than the Gaza war. 70,000 dead from only starvation for starters. But not only is it not genocide it doesn't even enter conscious awareness as a thing that happened. I wonder why.
        • metabagel9 hours ago
          Because Americans mostly don’t care about world events unless they involve us directly.

          Gaza is a welcome aberration.

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  • wtcactus6 hours ago
    What an interesting tile. Is the value of his AI company expected to overcome the 'terrorist sympathizer' allegation? Is this how it works always or just when the person is inside the present Overton Window?

    Let's try Elon Musk then: "He was called a 'fascist'. Now, his tech company is valued $1.5T"

    This is the way, right?

    • blks6 hours ago
      “Terrorist sympathiser” doesn’t mean much these days. People call Ms. Rachel a “terrorist sympathiser” and “antisemite of the year” for not wanting kids to die or become amputees
      • wtcactus6 hours ago
        > “Terrorist sympathiser” doesn’t mean much these days.

        I guess it means almost as little as "fascist" then.

  • user72343275419 hours ago
    “Masad insists he speaks up even when it hurts his business. In that regard, ‘I’m probably the only contrarian in Silicon Valley.’”
    • jerlam18 hours ago
      The only contrarian, just like everyone else.
      • siltcakes12 hours ago
        He and Paul Graham, truly are the only people speaking out against Zionism though. The rest of the VC industry is either staunchly pro-Israel or silent on the matter.
        • JumpCrisscross12 hours ago
          > He and Paul Graham, truly are the only people speaking out against Zionism

          Not sure what about this is contrarian.

          • siltcakes12 hours ago
            Going against everyone in your industry is contrarian. There are countless threads where Masad is attacked by mainstream venture capitalists and called "antisemitic" or "terrorist". Same with paulg.
            • yoavm7 hours ago
              That kinda depends on what questions the industry revolves around, doesn't it? For example, if I was once of the only vegetarian at YC, I don't think it would make me a contrarian. And it especially wouldn't if my background was of a Vegetarian-based religion.
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          • Amir_Aan hour ago
            Yes, the apartheid genoicdal terrorist state currently blocking aid should cease to exist in it's current form, that's a basic humanitarian position right now, hope that helps
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  • kogasa240p10 hours ago
    > Palestinian man is ok working with the Saudis At least it isn't the UAE but... really? Still happy for him though.
  • renewiltord12 hours ago
    All these things are so amusing. Amjad Masad dislikes Israel and is fine with Saudi Arabia. Palmer Luckey will spend his life doing rainman calculations on the angle of the car in Minneapolis. One is a “terrorist”, other is a “fascist”.

    But you can tell it’s all motivated reasoning. Standing with your tribe. It’s not much of a matter of honour. It’s just flashing your banners.

    In the end, they are wealthy, but they are just people. And they have all these things and why do I really care what Ja Rule has to say about the new cyclone.

    • intalentive10 hours ago
      I respect him for standing up for his people. It’s honorable, in my opinion. It would be dishonorable (and easy) to be a mercenary, profit-seeking individual with loyalty to no one but himself.
      • renewiltord9 hours ago
        Everyone stands up for their people. Tribalism is the most primitive form of society. Standing for principle is harder because sometimes you have to speak against your tribe.

        Yes, it would be dishonorable to be mercenary, but being a tribalist is merely the default position. We’re all so at some scale.

    • nebula880411 hours ago
      Excellent reference at the end, thanks for making me feel old. :)
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    • firen77711 hours ago
      Please do remind people more because they sure as hell need it.
    • nailer16 hours ago
      No. Jews have the right to live in their own homeland and anyone who thinks otherwise is a racist.

      I suspect most people that spend their time online ranting out 'zionists' (meaning 98% of Jews) haven't bothered to read any Herzl.

      • rowanseymour15 hours ago
        Trying to frame the violent expulsion of Palestinians from their homeland as just "Jews trying to live in their own homeland".. isn't working in 2026 and nobody needs to read the thoughts of a man who saw Cecil Rhodes as a kindred spirit.
        • incrudible12 hours ago
          Forgetting the part where Arabs tried to violently expel the Jews from Palestine? And the part where Jews were expelled from several Arab countries?
          • siltcakes12 hours ago
            Anyone would resist occupation and ethnic cleansing.
            • incrudible11 minutes ago
              Remember when Germany lost the second world war, lost a third of its territory, had millions ethnically cleansed from said territory and then proceeded to not maintain a goal to wipe Poland off the map (again)?
            • xdennis11 hours ago
              How is Arab conquest of Palestine "resistance"? Palestine was at the time controlled by the Byzantine Empire: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Muslim_conquest_of_Jerus...
              • angra_mainyu4 hours ago
                Yarmuk 636 is one of the most depressing events in history.

                Whenever I read about that or the disasters that ensued in the following centuries I always spend a day depressed.

                Grim.

          • yeasku12 hours ago
            Jews were not only expelled from Arab counties, catholic too.
          • mattfrommars12 hours ago
            Jews left Arab stats on their own accord because of rise of Zionism.

            Arab were the only folks who accepted Jews in the first place as they sought refuge from Nazi Europe

            • incrudible8 minutes ago
              I don't know where you got this narrative from, but it doesn't align with historical accounts at all.
            • nailer10 hours ago
              No. Speak to Persian and Iraqi Jews about their expulsion.

              You can also look up arab violence and laws against Jews at any time you like. When the belief system mentions fighting Jews at the end of time when the trees will reveal them (except the evil Jew loving tree, yes really) you tend to act on those beliefs.

              • Amir_A2 hours ago
                You mean the well-documented terrorist operations by Israel against Jews in the Arab disaspora? The terrorist state started with terrorism and sustained through it.
      • whatshisface10 hours ago
        The focus on a particular location is a religious one (in the scriptures there was a Jewish homeland before Israel or Egypt, and Israel is singled out because God told them to go), but it's also a selective one that ignores all the times God arranged for Israel not to be there; and crucially does not stop and wait for His opinion about the present. It is the most dangerous kind of religious opinion: one invented by us.
        • nailer10 hours ago
          Herzl makes no religious argument, he is fairly close to an atheist. That’s why I mentioned people should read the book or a summary before commenting on the matter.
          • whatshisface9 hours ago
            I don't think the "homeland" idea could have come from anywhere but religion. For one thing, there's a three (?) thousand year precedence.
            • yoavm7 hours ago
              Of course there could be, and Hertzel writes about it explicitly - the idea that Jews need a homeland because antisemitism makes it impossible for them to live within another people.

              In regard to religion itself, like the other post said, he couldn't really care less and even advocated for Jews to convert to Christianity at a time, seeing it as another solution to the discrimination they're facing: "I see myself as an average modern Jew and I'm not afraid from the idea of a formal conversion to Christianity. I have a son, and I'd prefer converting today and not tomorrow so that his membership will start earlier and I can save him from the troubles and discrimination he'll face as a Jew".

              • whatshisface17 minutes ago
                Look, there's no way the coordinates this guy triangulated lined up with the religious site by chance. That would be similar to the odds that a flawed calculation of the age of the earth would turn out to be 6,000 years. If he had said anywhere else that argument might be right, but not of all places the temple mount. If you're saying he was writing from a pragmatic standpoint, perhaps he argued that it would be convenient and more conducive to organizing power to follow along with what others believed. I am sure many religious leaders have the same motives. ;-)
              • Amir_A2 hours ago
                "I don't believe in god but he promised me this land 3000 years ago" sums up Zionism pretty well, or "Jews aren't safe anywhere so let's create a state by wiping out and expelling the native population and make enemies of all our neighbors". It's such a laughably self-contradicting ideology
                • yoavman hour ago
                  Except none of these statements are part of the Zionist agenda. You putting them in quotes does not make them a quote.

                  I already explained why your first "quote" is false: Hertzel didn't think Jews should move to Israel because it was promised to them.

                  The second one is also completely wrong: He never called for expelling the native population, and he actually advocated for close and good contacts with them and the surrounding countries.

              • nephihaha2 hours ago
                There are other groups that could claim the same: Romany/Gypsies would be a big one but no one seems to want to claim a North Indian homeland for them; Sikhs might be another.
                • yoavman hour ago
                  I'm not sure what you're trying to say, but if there are other groups who are being discriminated against, and have a strong connection to a specific place on earth - be it Romany, Palestinians or whoever - I definitely wouldn't be the one objecting their right for self-determination. The way I studied Zionism as a child was clear: through our (Jews') right to a land we can understand the right to land of others.
      • lazyasciiart2 hours ago
        Damn those racist Haredi Jews, right?
      • yndoendo16 hours ago
        I recommend _Culture in Nazi Germany_ by Michael K Kater. [0]

        The push for a Zionist state started and accelerated in the 1920s to the end of the 1930s. Most of the Jews that moved from Europe to Palestine, which was part of modern day Israel, were by the Zionists. Reason is because the only jobs at the time were farming so people would have to give up their current triad.

        Number of these individuals actually supported fascism. Even after WWII the mind set was not that fascism was bad but poorly implemented. That mind set was shared by a number of Germans and Jews that moved to Palestine before Israel became a state.

        It was not until the late 1960s that younger culture started to shift that mind set to fascism is bad.

        If you think I am wrong about the summation of the book ... read it.

        [0] https://yalebooks.yale.edu/book/9780300253375/culture-in-naz...

        • nailer16 hours ago
          As mentioned, I recommend going directly to the source. The clearest indication of what Zionism is the father of modern Zionism and Israel: https://www.gutenberg.org/files/25282/25282-h/25282-h.htm

          It's a hundred pages. If someone hasn't read it, or even a summary, they have little knowledge of Zionism. WW2 was far after the modern return of Jews to Israel.

          I grew up in a very left leaning, pro terrorism household. I was absolutely wrong about what Zionism was - not a 'God promised me this because I'm special" as I was told but rather "racism means we need a homeland let's all go back to Israel".

          • lazyasciiart2 hours ago
            You sound like you’re trying to collapse the term into a single definition based on one guy, which just doesn’t match the variety of people and motivations using it today. Christian white nationalists in the US are not calling themselves Zionist because “we need a homeland, let’s all go back to Israel”.

            You might as well say that Republicans are the party that fought the Confederates and freed the slaves. It is not true today.

          • yndoendo16 hours ago
            How does having a religious base state prevent bigotry and discrimination? Both are mutually exclusive.

            In the world, Jews discriminate against Jews, Christians discriminate against Christians, Muslims discriminate Muslims, ... A religious state can only have one variant of religion that is deemed the right variation even though multiple variations exist.

            The closest thing to a non bigot and discriminating state is one that is not built on religion but accepts other people and allows them to exercise their variation of religion.

            Earth is the home land of humans not a politically divided territory.

            • nailer15 hours ago
              > How does having a religious base state prevent bigotry and discrimination?

              Jews are an ethnoreligious group. You can be an atheist and return to Israel if you want. 20% of the population is Arab, with more rights than most Arab countries, for example Arabs in Israel vote for Arab politicians that argue with other Arab politicians in the Knesset, in Arabic.

              Likewise Druze are more protected in Israel than they are in the rest of the middle East.

              > prevent bigotry and discrimination

              Israeli Arabs have the same rights as Jews, Asians and Europeans.

              • Amir_A2 hours ago
                "More rights than most Arab countries" lmao sure, just cause you keep repeating a slogan doesn't make it true, that's called propaganda, there's very systematic and well-documented racism towards anyone who's not a Jew
                • soldthatan hour ago
                  Arabs in Israel are certainly much better off then Jews in Muslim countries.
                  • yoavman hour ago
                    When it comes to their most basic democratic rights - the right to vote and the right to be elected - they're also better than most Arabs in Arab countries.
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        • JumpCrisscross12 hours ago
          > Jewish homeland is Poland, Russia, Germany

          Jews have been in the Levant longer than they’ve been in Germany. (And in both for less time than they’ve been in America.)

          The problem is with the notion of a homeland. Whose ancestors had what claim to something shouldn’t have bearing on how people are treated today.

          • siltcakes12 hours ago
            Ashkenazis are Europeans.
            • dralley11 hours ago
              Less than half of Israelis are Askenazi, and unless your solution is to "ethnically cleanse" by sending people back to the countries their grandparents fled, it hardly matters.

              Americans and Europeans have the false notion that Israeli Jews are predominantly European. They are not.

              • siltcakes11 hours ago
                Returning land to the people it was brutally taken from is not “ethic cleansing”. The right of return is still valid.
                • adrian_b5 hours ago
                  While I agree that the land has been taken by force, unfortunately returning the land is no longer an acceptable option.

                  The land of Israel has been developed in such a way that it has become completely different from what it was one century ago, and there is no doubt that its previous owners could have never succeeded to do a similar development, due to a combination of lacking both the financial means and the skilled labor capabilities.

                  While I believe that returning the land would be unjust at this time, I also believe that the never-ending war between Israelis and their neighbors can be stopped in only 2 ways, one of which is not acceptable in the modern world and which would bring eternal shame on Israel if they would ever succeed to realize it.

                  The second option is for Israel to do the same that Israel has demanded and has obtained from states like Germany. This means that Israel should admit that they have occupied the land by force and they should repair this by paying a just compensation to the remaining descendants of the former inhabitants, exactly like Israel has received from countries responsible for the oppression against Jews during WWII.

                • dralley11 hours ago
                  Do you not understand the irony of what you are saying?
                • mjevans7 hours ago
                  At some point, all land has been taken either by direct force, or by the threat of force.

                  All land, everywhere. It is NOT a natural right that anyone owns any land, nor that any countries exist. That is something everyone's ancestors fought each other for and created as a system of human society.

                  Of course that's written in the past tense. Facing reality rather than the fantasy presented in history books and documentaries; not only did our ancestors do that, it hasn't stopped. The bloodshed still happens today in so many places. Those we might hear about in the news, and others forgotten even in the news because it is considered normal and thus ignored.

                  We are not yet a species of plenty. Scarcity still exists, at the very least in the real form of land where people want to be.

                  • JumpCrisscross3 hours ago
                    > At some point, all land has been taken either by direct force, or by the threat of force

                    You're broadly correct. But there is land that was settled within the historical record.

                    The Levant, obviously, is not that. It was settled prior to the historical record. It is the coast closest to our cradle of civilisation. Every human with ancestry outside Africa has some sort of claim to lineage to that land.

                  • defrost7 hours ago
                    Seems overstated and contrived to use 'all land'.

                      Antarctica is Earth's southernmost and least-populated continent.
                    
                      Situated almost entirely south of the Antarctic Circle and surrounded by the Southern Ocean [ and ] is the fifth-largest continent, being about 40% larger than Europe, and has an area of 14,200,000 km2 (5,500,000 sq mi).
                    
                    ~ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antarctica

                    There was no one to "take it from" and when it was divided up by "Great powers" that was more by competition (race to open routes) and some notion of good sport:

                      Antarctica was claimed by several states since the 16th century, culminating in a territorial competition in the first half of the 20th century when its interior was explored and the first Antarctic camps and bases were set up.
                    
                    ~ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonization_of_Antarctica

                    Then there are the more remote parts of Australia, nominally "taken" by the English (despite not being reached for some time) and later returned (post Mabo) to the descendants of what seems likely to be first settlers some tens of thousands of years past (the multiple waves of settlement arguments and other aspects of the History Wars in the Black Armband / Quadrant circles are looking thin in these days of genetic markers).

                    But that one's a complex can of worms that takes some time to unpack.

                • nailer10 hours ago
                  Do 850K middle eastern Jews have the right to return to Arab counties? Or will they be killed?
                • xdennis11 hours ago
                  No land was stolen. All land was purchased before the war. All land taken after wars was taken after wars started by the Arabs.

                  That's always been the case with nations who lost wars. Germany lost the war and lost land because of it. Should Germany take back land that was "brutally taken from them"?

                  Or should they maybe just accept that they shouldn't have started the war? The Germans certainly have accepted that.

                  • lostlogin7 hours ago
                    If a war has finished, should the victor still be able to keep taking land off the loser? What’s the duration of that right?
                    • JumpCrisscross3 hours ago
                      > If a war has finished, should the victor still be able to keep taking land off the loser? What’s the duration of that right?

                      Practically? In 2026? As long as you can keep it. We're back to deciding borders through force versus treaty. Which, based on the rhetoric around Gaza, is ambiguously worse.

            • JumpCrisscross3 hours ago
              > Ashkenazis are Europeans

              Okay? So are most American Jews.

              Most humans can legitimately claim ancestry to the Levant. It's the coast closest to the cradle of civilization.

              There is absolutely evil happening in Gaza. But pretending this is black-and-white, from an ocean away, is just alienating. It turns what should be a broad political discussion into a niche issue.

        • yoavm7 hours ago
          Do you have an example? I've studied quite a bit of Hertzel and what I mainly remember repeated to us is "We shall never discriminate between one man and another; We shall never ask 'what is your religion?' nor 'what is your race?'. For us it is enough that he is a human being." and "My will to the People of Israel: create your country in such a way, that the non-Jew will feel good to be your neighbour".
        • xdennis11 hours ago
          The Arab homeland is in Arabia, not Palestine. Palestine is a Roman creation after the destruction of Judea. It was named after a group of European invaders who conquered a small part of Israel 3000+ years ago.

          Arabs aren't native to Palestine. Jews are. They were present in Palestine before the name Palestine was ever used.

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      • rowanseymour19 hours ago
        Yes I'm sure if the settlers who forced Amjad Masad's people into refugee camps were a different religion he'd be fine with it.
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          • rowanseymour14 hours ago
            It's really not and I don't think it's worth arguing with you but.. Zionism is the establishment of a Jewish majority state.. which requires the expulsion of much of the existing non-Jewish population. That not the same as other countries acknowledging the borders of Palestine.
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              • siltcakes12 hours ago
                Palestinians are the indigenous people to the land who were ethnically cleansed via Nakba. It's not "nationalism" to allow people to return to the land that was stolen from them.
                • Marsymars11 hours ago
                  The crux of the problem is that there are multiple peoples with reasonably legitimate claims to the same indigeneity.
                  • siltcakes11 hours ago
                    I don’t agree that Europeans have a legitimate claim to Palestinian land. I could convert to Judaism and “birthright” my way into occupied Palestine. That’s not legitimate.
                  • throw3108227 hours ago
                    No there aren't. Where is the legitimacy if Jewish claims to the land? That it says so in their religious texts? Ffs.
                    • lukan6 hours ago
                      Maybe because most of them were born there and also their parents and grandparents?

                      That is called birthright and the way I see it, it applies to both groups. And the conflict will never be solved (without large scale genocide), if both groups largely negate the other groups rights.

                      • throw3108226 hours ago
                        You're right, expelling Israelis from Palestine would be a crime exactly as it's been a crime expelling Palestinians. While I believe that Jews had no right in the first place to immigrate there, this doesn't change the status of their descendants who are born there and whose families are born there.

                        But let's be clear on this: Jews that are not currently in Israel have no right to immigrate there. Jews that are in Israel have no right on any part of the land that isn't already part of Israel proper; and finally, Jews (exactly as much as Palestinians do) have a right to life, property and safety but not necessarily to their own political entity.

                        • lukan5 hours ago
                          But what about Palestinians who were born elsewhere? Do they have a right to go back to their ancestors land?

                          To me it seems close to the arguments of the jewish who see themself as native, "just" on a larger timescale. There is no easy solution that I can see. (except letting go of fanatism)

                          • throw3108225 hours ago
                            In the case of Palestinians, "their ancestors" means their fathers or grandfathers. They still have the keys of their homes. In the case of Jews, it means some mythical ancestor of 2 thousand years ago or more.

                            But yes, the question of the "right of return" of Palestinian refugees is a tough one; but I think it's a distraction. The very minimum the international community should force Israel to, is to withdraw within the 1967 border and cease any interference with the territory and sovereignty of Palestinians. It won't happen because the goal of Israelis and Zionists everywhere is to conquer as much land as they can, and a constant state of attrition is the excuse they need to keep settling more ethnically-cleansed land.

      • moogly19 hours ago
        Connecting these two concepts like Netanyahu et. al. are constantly (insincerely) doing, is actually breeding real antisemitism. I wish more people realized this.
        • soldthat15 hours ago
          I wish people didn’t justify and excuse racism.
          • wizzwizz413 hours ago
            Explanations aren't justifications, nor excuses. Most things happen for reasons.
            • soldthat13 hours ago
              The reason is because they are racist.

              Saying “individuals of that race are the reason racists hate all of them” is a circular explanation for racism.

              • wizzwizz413 hours ago
                Why are they racist? I assume you're not saying that some people are born racist, and other people are born anti-racist.
                • soldthat12 hours ago
                  We know that racists exist.

                  Blaming individuals within the victim race for the racism is itself racist but also illogical. Someone who wasn’t already a racist wouldn’t start hating the whole group because of individuals.

                  • wizzwizz412 hours ago
                    Someone with a tendency towards racist generalisations might start disliking a particular group due to the zeitgeist identifying "disliking the behaviour of a political entity" with "disliking all members of an ethnic group", though. If they previously didn't hold any such views, then they would go from "not racist" to "racist". (If you disagree with my category boundaries, you can construct your own similar example for your preferred category boundaries.)

                    Just because something's wrong, that doesn't mean it's illogical. A logical conclusion from flawed premises is still logical.

                    • soldthat12 hours ago
                      It’s illogical even if you think racism is good.

                      Your reason for them becoming a racist depends on them already being a racist.

                      Anyway, we’re going in circles here. Some people are racists because they are assholes. Many people are racist because they are trained in a culture that encourages racism against certain groups.

                      All racists point to the actions of individuals as “evidence” or “justification” or “cause” of their racism.

      • _menelaus19 hours ago
        Ridiculous. Most of the world has a negative view of Zionism, as they should, and ethnosupremacy in general.
        • soldthat15 hours ago
          Most of the world has a positive view of self-determination for every other group; Ukrainians, Palestinians, the Irish, etc.
          • siltcakes12 hours ago
            Those groups are indigenous to the land they live on and didn't create their "state" 75 years ago by ethnically cleansing other people's homeland.
            • soldthat5 hours ago
              There are 2 million Arabs in Israel. There are 0 Jews in areas under full Palestinian control.
            • scns3 hours ago
              > Those groups are indigenous to the land they live on

              Homo Sapiens is only indigenous to South Africa, pedantically speaking.

        • FunnyUsername16 hours ago
          There's nothing supremacist about Zionism, it's just the support of Jewish self-determination. Efforts to twist it into something nefarious are just propaganda with no etymological basis.
          • _menelaus15 hours ago
            Think about what you're saying. Zionism the idea that a particular ethnic group (the Jews) will have the authority to determine what happens in their country (Israel). That is a textbook case of ethnic supremacism. And that's not even mentioning the violent expulsion of the Arabs that this de facto entailed.
            • FunnyUsername14 hours ago
              Most Zionists have a goal of preserving a Jewish majority for pragmatic reasons - history has shown that it's the only way to ensure the safety of Jews. That's not a supremacist ideology at all.

              Moreover, no country is perfect, and we shouldn't have double standards just for Israel. Can you identify any other Middle Eastern country that compares favorably, in terms of diversity and tolerance of all religions and ethnicities?

              • _menelaus29 minutes ago
                If I were to say:

                'I believe whites need to hold all authority in the United States, and must have a permanent demographic majority (for practical reasons, of course)'

                then you might call me a white supremacist. I might reply:

                'I'm not a supremacist, we must secure self-determination in order to secure the future of our people.'

                You would gently remind me that this is exactly what a supremacist is.

                So yes, please, no double standards. Also, the rest of the Middle East is just as bad, no arguments there, but it's beside the point.

              • siltcakes12 hours ago
                Zionists aren't indigenous to Palestine and have no right to that land.
                • FunnyUsername11 hours ago
                  Zionism is a political view; a Zionist can be from anywhere just as a socialist can. Jews are indigenous to Judea though.

                  Others have a right to live in the region too, hence proposals to share the land, such as the partition plan or the 2000 Camp David offer.

                  • siltcakes9 hours ago
                    Judaism is a religion. Jews are from all over the place. Almost none from Palestine.
                    • FunnyUsername8 hours ago
                      "Judaism" sometimes refers to the religion, but many Jews are not religious. Jews are a group of people from Judea, hence its historical name. Some dispersion to other regions doesn't change where a group of people is from.
                      • siltcakes8 hours ago
                        Judea does not exist. If you’re talking about Palestine, very few Jews are from there pre-dating Zionist invasion.
      • EtienneDeLyon18 hours ago
        That doesn't make sense. Zionism depends on antisemitism, so true antisemites are by definition pro-Zionist.
        • FunnyUsername16 hours ago
          There are a couple problems with this view:

          - You could say that antisemites are a cause of Zionism, but that doesn't mean they intentionally support it. Not all antisemites are of the "go back to Palestine" type.

          - Just as "antisemitism" doesn't actually mean hate of Semetic people, "antizionism" doesn't actually mean opposition to Zionism. Instead it developed into a rather separate hate movement. Many antizionism ostensibly support a 2SS, which would mean they actually support rather than oppose Zionism, but are nonetheless part of the antizionism movement.

      • vkou19 hours ago
        Citation needed.
        • nailer16 hours ago
          Sure, check Amjad Masad's X account.
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      It's in consensus, even by Hamas themselves.
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    • oceanplexian12 hours ago
      What are you even talking about? My family is Argentine and 100% assimilated, speak English, love and embrace American culture and values. No one has ever treated us any differently in any context both in middle America and on the coasts.

      It’s not a racial issue either, because my friends who are first generation Asian, Indian, etc, would all share the same sentiment. America is the most welcoming place on Earth for immigrants who are willing to put up even the smallest effort to assimilate into the culture.

      • Forgeties7912 hours ago
        So racism has been (more or less) eradicated in the US? Just trying to understand your comment before I respond more substantively because that’s a very striking claim and I want to be sure that’s actually what you mean.
        • sheepscreek12 hours ago
          Not OP, but I don’t think it’s accurate to say racism is “more or less eradicated” in the US. People’s experiences vary a lot by region, by urban vs rural areas, and even by neighbourhood and institution within the same city. Some places are clearly more inclusive than others, and disparities still show up in things like housing, policing, and employment within the city. So it’s hard to generalize.
          • Forgeties7911 hours ago
            Totally agree with you. My question is if they think it is largely not a problem in the US anymore, because their comment heavily suggests otherwise.
        • api12 hours ago
          This will shock people, but America is not all that racist by world standards. Talk to someone from Asia for starters.

          I’m not aware of anywhere with no racism. Humans are tribal and broad stereotypes are intellectually lazy but easy.

          • Forgeties7911 hours ago
            > This will shock people, but America is not all that racist by world standards. Talk to someone from Asia for starters.

            I’m not shocked. I also don’t believe that “not as bad as…” is the same as “not a real problem.”

            Getting stabbed twice in the side missing a major organ/artery isn’t as bad as getting shot twice in the heart, but both are very serious and painful.

      • mise_en_place12 hours ago
        I'm not making a normative judgement here, it's just my observation as the child of immigrants myself. There are of course exceptions to the rule. I'm making an argument in the context of political economy, please don't take it personally.
        • dangus12 hours ago
          No, you’re not making an argument in the context of political economy. You’re making an argument based on nothing: no data, no studies, just anecdote and personal opinion.

          I don’t take seriously your attempt to hide it behind a supposed “observed factual reality.” This is similar to how eugenicists made up their own fake science to try to justify racism.

          People are well within their rights to take xenophobic hate personally.

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    • siltcakes12 hours ago
      I don't understand this comment. Are you saying that Masad is not assimilated into the US because he doesn't support Israel's genocide against his people? Israel is not the US and supporting it is an increasingly unpopular position in the US. If anything he's more assimilated due to his position.
    • renewiltord12 hours ago
      The majority of Americans are of British ancestry and the polarization between Dems and Reps is pretty high. You think that a coastal elite immigrant British descendant and Asian-American are farther apart than the same chap and a similar counterpart in Appalachia? I doubt it.
      • KK7NIL12 hours ago
        > The majority of Americans are of British ancestry

        No they aren't. Even if you narrow it down just to white Americans, British ancestry is almost even with German and does not hold a majority once you include Irish, Italian, etc. [1]

        I don't blame you for thinking they are tough, as Anglo culture and language has been unusually dominant, probably because the original 13 colonies were very Anglo and the whites that trickled in later largely assimilated. "Albion's seed" is an interesting book on this topic.

        [1]: https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2023/10/2020-census-d...

        Edit: British doesn't usually denote an ethnic group so I took it to mean Anglo, but if you take it to mean Anglo+Celtic then it would indeed make a majority of whites in the US due to the very large Irish population.

        • renewiltord10 hours ago
          Sorry, yeah, I meant the majority of Whites and I should have said British Isles. Thank you for correcting what I said, which was indeed wildly inaccurate. I do think British ancestry is underreported because of an exoticism bias but we can ignore that.
          • KK7NIL9 hours ago
            > I do think British ancestry is underreported because of an exoticism bias but we can ignore that.

            That's fair but I'll also point out that pan-Germanic (including Nordic) ancestry is actually the majority in many Midwest and West coast states, while the northeast is obviously very Anglo. So you can get a very different impression depending where you spend your time.

      • sheepscreek12 hours ago
        That’s a fair point - as demonstrated by Amjad’s high regard for libertarian values.

        People are multifaceted. We’re complex and sometimes irrational. I can also believe that you can share certain views yet still not be fully embraced or respected for them.

        As a crude example, a Caucasian man who was born and raised in Japan thought of himself to be Japanese ideologically. Yet to the Japanese he was always an outsider - as a result, he has never felt truly at home anywhere.

      • Forgeties7912 hours ago
        > The majority of Americans are of British ancestry

        Wildly inaccurate

    • tehjoker12 hours ago
      I will remind you that most of the world and many Americans consider what is happening in Gaza a genocide: the intent to destroy a group in whole or in part. Israel intends ethnic cleansing by genocidal means and continues to attack civilians despite a "ceasefire". Just today I got a terrified text message from a teacher as they airstriked in her camp while she lives in a partly destroyed house that cannot be repaired. They previously bombed the ppl in tents outside who had run from the north with nothing.

      I hope there is some humanity left in this country.

    • dyauspitr12 hours ago
      He seems assimilated as fuck. What are you talking about?
  • camillomiller7 hours ago
    A very good, albeit involuntary, reminder that in Silicon Valley your good or bad opinions and beliefs don’t matter as long as you’re a good vessel to multiply investment and add value to a billionaire’s already obscene wealth.
    • throw3108227 hours ago
      The article clearly states that he lost business and risked bankruptcy.
  • nirushiv11 hours ago
    Silicon Valley’s biggest grifter, by a mile, back with another puff piece
    • gosub100an hour ago
      I'd say SBF takes that title, followed by holmes and the wework clown
  • jeanlou5 hours ago
    It's funny how when talking about Israël's wrongdoings, everything is just "allegedly". Facts already confirms genocide, but hey, they don't want to land in hot water.
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      • oa3353 hours ago
        Likud government and charter explicitly calls for all land between the river and the sea to be for Jews.
      • chakintosh5 hours ago
        > The Hamas Charter explicitly called for the “annihilation” of the Jewish state.

        See, this is what grinds my effing gears. On one hand you have a party "calling" for the "annihilation" of Israel. On the other hand, you have a part who is calling for the annihilation of palestinians AND they are ACTIVELY doing it. But no, you have to draw an equivalence somehow ...

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      • cess114 hours ago
        The Hamas charter indicates that they would accept a two-state solution with 1967 borders.

        This is not something the state of Israel will accept and is quite blatant in declaring that they would prefer to keep up the genocide.

  • chinathrow19 hours ago
    Stopped reading after "shooting range".
    • tomhow13 hours ago
      Please don't comment like this. It's not a substantive contribution to the discussion to tell us that you stopped reading the article, and it's generally fulmination or curmudgeonliness or a shallow dismissal or something else that's against the guidelines. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
    • frumplestlatz19 hours ago
      > “Should I wear a keffiyeh to the shooting range?”

      I'll give the writer this -- they conveyed a lot of information in just one short first sentence. I read a bit farther, but it didn't tell me anything I couldn't already guess from that sentence.

  • thinkindie4 hours ago
    I don't understand why the word genocide is quoted, as if it was an odd opinion of the person they are writing the profile about.
  • Bluescreenbuddy9 hours ago
    Replay will implode once the AI mania cools off