65 pointsby TechTechTecha day ago10 comments
  • khalica day ago
    If anybody in the US has any doubt, let it be clear: every person with a little bit of critical thinking and education over here in Europe is watching this unfold with horror, and put the blame squarely on trump and his voters ignominy. The lack of humanity and accountability of the maga base is horrifying to watch.
    • cons0lea day ago
      Now if only we could get europeans to leave twitter and instagram. Its one of the easiest ways to cut the source of power. We need government agencies and politicians especially to get off of there.
      • khalica day ago
        It’s hard, but not impossible, to get people off their addiction.
        • cons0le21 hours ago
          Europeans are telling me right now that americans have a moral imperative to mount an armed insurrection against the government.

          Which do you think is easier, insurgency or leaving twitter?

          I didn't just protest against this.

          I voted, ran mutual aid networks, donated, and canvassed for progressive candidates. And when that failed I canvassed for moderates that I didn't want. I went to churches and asked why they were pushing this garbage. My aunt and uncle were told they weren't welcome in their local church unless they voted for trump and disowned all family members that didn't. The church has a trump sign right on the front lawn. When I went to ask about that being illegal they looked at me like I had 3 heads. My aunt and uncle had to move cities.

          My friend at the the no kings protest had police fire a beanbag into his eyesocket. He was in his second story apartment watching the protest from above, I was right next to him. We weren't even on the street and they fired right into his eye. He was forced to take a plea deal even though the cops had body cameras. The footage was never handed over, despite a FOIA request. He got no money. He already didn't have health insurance.

          Its comes off as incredibly hollow when I hear europeans say "nobody tried to stop this" or "Its amazing how little resistance they've faced". We had millions of people protesting without a peep in the news.

          I really don't want the hear talking about how we should use the 2nd amendment from people that can't even quit twitter.

          • khalic20 hours ago
            I don’t think anybody should be telling you your moral imperatives, if the situation warrants a popular uprising, you won’t have any doubt about it.

            Take care

          • krapp21 hours ago
            >I really don't want the hear talking about how we should use the 2nd amendment from people that can't even quit twitter.

            But we also hear that from our fellow Americans all the time.

            Every time there's a school shooting or spree killing, we're lectured about that being a price we should be willing to pay for our right to keep and bear arms. Every time gun control comes up, we're told that America's well armed militias are the only thing keeping our government from sliding into tyranny, and that all of our rights are vouchsafed by the second amendment. Americans love to quote Thomas Jefferson on watering the tree of liberty with the blood of tyrants. They were willing to revolt over covid restrictions. They were willing to riot and coup over imaginary communists stealing the election. They were willing to turn Portland into a war zone over George Floyd. It's telling that the response to Trump, while not nothing, has been positively timid in comparison.

            Don't complain about Europeans turning a mirror onto Americans' hollow rhetoric. Plenty of other countries have been able to deal with corruption and tyranny without a Constitutional right to keep and bear arms and a billion dollar gun industry flooding the country with weapons. It's good that you actually went out and did the work, which is more than most Americans, but you know protests alone don't mean a thing.

            Also the vast majority of Twitter users are American, and Americans aren't exactly quitting it either.

            • cons0le21 hours ago
              >Every time there's a school shooting or spree killing, we're lectured about that being a price we should be willing to pay for our right to keep and bear arms. Every time gun control comes up, we're told that America's well armed militias are the only thing keeping our government from sliding into tyranny, and that all of our rights are vouchsafed by the second amendment.

              Americans don't have a representative government, europeans do. Lets be honest, you know in your heart that the vast majority of americans want to stop school shootings, don't you??

              Even to this day, a majority of americans are in favor of universal background checks, and an assault weapons ban. Check pew, gallup, anywhere you'd like.

              Over 60% of americans when polled, say they want universal healthcare. The difference between american and europe is: over here we don't get what we want, even when the vast majority support it. Over here the cops just shoot us in the face.

              >Also the vast majority of Twitter users are American, and Americans aren't exactly quitting it either.

              And they should quit too, but right now we're talking about europe.

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              I also want to circle back and say, portland was not turned into a war zone over george floyd. The protest spanned over a few city blocks, and 99% of the city carried on as normal. You're parroting disgusting propaganda, straight from the mouth of fox news.

              Can't you see that we have a media machine that's invested in making the left look violent? Don't believe everything your hear from the american news.

              > They were willing to revolt over covid restrictions. They were willing to riot and coup over imaginary communists stealing the election.

              Its fitting you bring up these examples as if they weren't proving my point. These events were both largely orchestrated on twitter. Same thing they did in myanmar.

              You can help fight against the machine by leaving twitter. Its free. Its easy.

              • yongjik8 hours ago
                > Lets be honest, you know in your heart that the vast majority of americans want to stop school shootings, don't you??

                I don't think we know that, and I think you're looking at your fellow Americans with rose-tinted glasses.

                Let's face reality. Two years after one of the worst school shootings in US history, Uvalde county, TX voted for Trump (66.3% vs 33.0% for Harris). Not to mention that Trump won the popular election nationwide.

                Nobody put a gun on Americans' heads and forced them to vote for Trump. They did because they wanted to.

                I'm not saying the media is infallible, but if you view the situation as evil billionaires and media forcing gun rights, private healthcare, and ICE on oppressed Americans, you're drawing battle lines in a way that doesn't make sense.

        • specproca day ago
          Not at all. We, as European governments, block pirate sites and Russia Today. We should similarly ban the social media of what is clearly a hostile foreign power.
          • khalic20 hours ago
            To expand my metaphor, you can force an addict to go cold turkey, but it’s not the best method. Concentrate on people around you. Been happily social network free for 2 years now, have convinced 2-3 people, given my small friends circle, it’s already a miracle.

            But at some point, blocking is the answer. I tend to agree we’re already there

    • beAbU14 hours ago
      Let's not only blame trump and his voters. IMO all american citizens are complicit in this mess.
  • beezlewaxa day ago
    The US is also destroying its own internal order while they're at it. All to appease some ludicrously rich idiots.

    Yesterday their moronic immigration gestapo shot and killed an innocent citizen.

    In the name of what.. safety?

    • general146521 hours ago
      > All to appease some ludicrously rich idiots

      They are just stretching the rubber band which will eventually snap and smack them in the face. USA is increasingly having more and more poor population which is well armed and has nothing to lose.

      • jrs23520 hours ago
        Which is why those at the top are trying to focus the people's anger and rage at their neighbors instead of at the ones who could make their lives better (by sharing, you know, those with all the wealth).
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        • tharmas12 hours ago
          Ding ding ding. We have a winner.

          The Dimbocrats are the Repugnants are all the same: protect the interests of the wealthy.

          Sure you can argue about the "lesser of two evils" and I couldnt argue with that that is true. Nevertheless the "lesser of two evils" wont stop the enshitificatoin just maybe slow it down a tad.

          • soganess8 hours ago
            But they aren’t the same. Bush Sr. and Clinton were the same: centrist neoliberals.

            Do you really think there is only the same sliver of daylight between KH and DT as there was between Bush and Clinton? Look around and answer this for yourself. Do you think that?

            Then ask yourself one more question: who benefits from you still thinking that? And finally one more: how do they benefit?

    • burnt-resistor21 hours ago
      While George Floyd was neither white nor rich, he had the "advantage" of being murdered not 1 km / ½ mile away by a white MPD (city) officer and so his family was able to bring successful civil claims for tens of millions and the perpetrators were federally and locally investigated, the socio-political landscape changed, and they were prosecuted by the state criminally.

      Unfortunately, Renee Nicole Good, a poet and mother of 3 has children who will now grow up without a mother and without justice or recompense because her murderer was a federal official who has nearly unqualified immunity to state and federal criminal prosecution and no civil Bivens nor 1983 actions can be brought. These officials are creating an image of lawless paramilitary with a monopoly on violence unrestrained from any meaningful accountability. Governor Walz and Mayor Frey are telling white lies as to what can be done because they have essentially zero power to investigate or prosecute federal officials. ICE & CBP has only paid out $1 million in damages total for every wrongful death claims in years... it just doesn't happen. ICE & CBP are a "samurai" mafia without a code who can and do kill almost anyone with almost total impunity. Only COTUS can fix this by allowing 1983-like claims and limiting QI/SI, but this is a pipe-dream because the team completely in-charge is deferential to law enforcement over unimportant, non-rich people.

      tl;dr: ICE agents can legally get away with killing almost anyone far more easily than 90's LAPD.

  • ndom91a day ago
    Wow, someone with something to lose finally spoke up / out against the Trump administration! :clap:

    While (unfortunately) rather heroic in todays day and age, I fear the retribution he's now called upon himself, Germany, and the EU in particular. Vance and Stephen Miller are already always whispering in Trump's ear about the evils of Europe / the EU, convincing him to take action on whatever they want won't be hard.

    Sidebar: the fact that we have to be fearful of retribution due to such rhetoric is really all that needs to be said about the timeline we're currently living through.

  • rich_sashaa day ago
    As a European, I used to think, rather uncritically, that the US is fundamentally fairly good (not perfect but ultimately a good egg), yes some dirty business on the "fringes" of the world or a long time ago (like say, Iraq or Cuba) but "we", the "Western world", are OK and buddies, and US's good behaviour towards us reflects their true nature.

    My new impression is that there's a nasty streak in the US that simply went against other people for a long time - Native Americans, African slaves, South America, Iran and the Middle East - and it was inevitably going to come out against Europe too at some point. At the end of the day, Trump can do what he does because the Congress accepts it, it accepts it because they are ideologically aligned, and a majority of American voters selected them.

    I'm not picking on the US here. Plenty of countries, maybe all, have a nasty streak or ten, it's human nature. But I though the US is actually somehow better, with its institutions, its painful lessons from the country's birth, yada yada. Actually maybe they're as bad as the rest of us, but just much more powerful.

    • ptrhvns21 hours ago
      I'm not sure that "a majority of American voters selected them" is true. Gerrymandering and other corrupting influences are a serious problem in America.
    • khalica day ago
      I too feel betrayed, I remember being such a fan of the US when I was a kid…
      • JohnFena day ago
        I'm a patriotic US citizen, and I feel betrayed as well. And furious.
    • rasz12 hours ago
      I blame MacGyver with a little bit on Chuck Norris and A-Team. Great propaganda that made us believe USA was mostly the good guys with some bad apples.
    • tharmas11 hours ago
      It's the Elites that are the problem. Yes, there is a sizeable "mob" who are brainwashed by the Elites into being ugly too.

      The Elites call the shots. So if America is behaving in an ugly way the blame lies almost exclusively with them.

  • eudamoniac11 hours ago
    I'm not one of those hypocrites who believes that our nation's founding revolution was heroic and just, while any present-day revolution would be the opposite. Violent revolution can certainly be moral, even today, even here. But are you going to risk death for it? I'm not. Food and shelter abound. Our poor are obese. Entertainment is plentiful. How many are really at the point of mortal action? Too few, I imagine.
  • It is incredible how much the state of humanity as a whole has deteriorated in the past few years. It is impossible to even have hope any more.

    The vast majority is going to suffer again, for the benefit of a handful of ultra wealthy psychopaths.

    As if they don't have enough already ?

  • chrisjja day ago
    Paywalled.
  • badhackernewsa day ago
    Germany should worry about protecting their power plants from leftists
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    • kmmlnga day ago
      The end of the UN seems plausible if we continue to move from a rule-based world order to a power-based one. For the same reason, there is little chance we will see the end of the EU. No European country is sufficiently powerful to really matter on the world stage, a more united Europe has the potential to be a significant world power though.
      • general146521 hours ago
        Thank you! Every single time when people will start about EU falling apart, alternative is what? Being a Russian colony? Whatever harebrained things EU can come up with is lightyears better than than Russian ideas or being just a rug for China.
    • earthnaila day ago
      How is Germany destroying the EU?
    • mcphagea day ago
      That means more wars.
    • beezlewaxa day ago
      Gibberish comment.