46 pointsby axython3 days ago8 comments
  • AuthAuth3 days ago
    He's right and its one of those things you dont notice until its pointed out but once its pointed out you notice it everywhere.

    I think the feeling of intrusiveness is the same for both devices but the difference is the ease of confrontation. Its much easier to confront someone with a camera because the intention to shoot a photo or to capture a moment is so clear and honest. Whereas someone with a phone can minimize the intent by saying they're only snapping a quick insignificant photo for any millions of reasons and we have to accept that or look unreasonable.

    • thetbw3 days ago
      I agree, taking photos of strangers with a mobile phone is sometimes considered hentai.
  • zamadatix2 days ago
    > Perhaps we’re witnessing a fundamental change in how photography functions socially. The democratisation of image-making through phones has made everyone comfortable with being both behind and in front of cameras, but only within specific, socially agreed parameters. Step outside those parameters with “serious” equipment, and you’re suddenly operating in a different social reality entirely.

    I think this is the part which gets closest to trying to explain any of the "why". To me, the largest portion seems to come down to most everyone having used a phone for personal photos in the last 20 years and very few have ever used a phone for professional photos (partly because most are not professionals, partly because if they were they tend to like "real" cameras). Framed from the perspective of professional cameras, most people stopped using cameras for personal photos unless they happen to be professionals or enthusiasts.

    This creates a very strong association with "phone = personal/throwaway photo, camera = formal photo for wide consumption". Naturally, this is not universally always true. One can be using a professional camera for personal photos of their girlfriend and one can take a selfie at starbucks and have a million social media readers see it. While not universally true, I bet even the author would overwhelmingly make the same assumption if asked to bet money on the intent of random photographer setups while walking through town. People are just making the same assumption when they see him at Starbucks with a professional camera.

  • Computer03 days ago
    I find it to be very similar to nobody caring about constant surveillance ala Fusion Centers and Flock, but if you did your own surveillance on the corner you are a dick bag.
  • MarkusWandel2 days ago
    I argue the opposite! Phone cameras, while hardly perfect, are easily on par with the sort of cameras people used to do street photography with, and improving constantly.

    I too remember the "no photos" rules - in the pre-smartphone era. Technically you weren't even supposed to bring a camera in to the workplace (though this was mostly unenforced).

    Now you can take pictures and videos of everything, willy nilly, and nobody bats an eyelash. With a camera that you always have with you, whether you anticipated taking photos that day or not.

    And yeah, you can't play shallow focus games (notwithstanding that the phone will fake shallow focus with algorithm). And you don't get real zoom (pinch zoom doesn't count).

    Oh, on the "real camera" front. Show up with a Canon SX30 ("big" camera, lots of glass in front) and people might notice. But show up with an SX210 (these are cameras I happen to have) and you can get great stealth shots with its 14x zoom but no one the wiser. It's just a small point and shoot, harmless, right? This thing is leaps and bounds more capable than a camera that size back in the pre-digital days.

    I'll bet a Gopro will get a pass too.

  • JasonADrury2 days ago
    I've on two occasions been told by government goons of some kind that "if you just use your phone we won't get called to monitor your photoshoot" while filling in for my girlfriends photographer.

    We were just taking fashion photos on the street in front of our building, turns our neighbours across the street at the MI5 were not super excited about this though.

  • shaggie763 days ago
    His point is well taken but I find the reverse helpful when you're shooting in some sort of official capacity: subjects are willing to put up with a lot more fuss and bother when staring down the barrel of a girthy lens.
  • WheatMillington3 days ago
    I can't say I've had this experience at all with my camera. I certainly feel more self conscious shooting publicly with my camera, but I've never had anyone look at me funny and certainly haven't had anyone approach me or get mad at me.
    • EvanAnderson3 days ago
      You're lucky. I've had the experience too many times. It has gotten bad enough that I've given up photography. I am too averse to confrontation to handle it (and the PTSD-like flashbacks I get from it) anymore.
      • jslabovitz3 days ago
        Ugh, so sorry to hear that. But I've had the same.

        I recently got a grip for my phone (TELESIN Master Grip). It gives me a physical shutter button, as well as a much better ergonomic hold on the phone, and a tripod thread to attach my old reliable wrist strap. That, plus Lightroom Mobile configured for high-quality yet editable shots (eg, DNG), allowed me to build what felt like 80% of a proper camera — and yet with far, far less public obviousness.

        I won't give up my rangefinder, but now I feel I have two choices: phone+grip for places where I don't feel comfortable with the camera, and then the camera everywhere else.

  • dataflow3 days ago
    > The psychology here is as fascinating as it is absurd.

    > Both devices capture identical images.

    This is so obviously false. The photos definitely don't look identical. If you're carrying a DSLR, it's a darn good bet you believe it'd take better photos than your phone. And someone who does so is going through the trouble of carrying one is more likely to spread the photo publicly than someone who's using their phone. Hence the stronger reaction.

    It's always sad to see when people tarnish a good point with bad arguments. Doubly so when you're accusing other people of acting irrationally, based on clearly false premises. It hurts the cause you're trying to advance rather than helping it.

    • jaffa22 days ago
      > This is so obviously false. The photos definitely don't look identical. If you're carrying a DSLR, it's a darn good bet you believe it'd take better photos than your phone.

      gonna push back a little on this one. Today, the best iphones can easily take pictures as good a DSLR, providing conditions are right (good light etc)

      The quality of the photo btw, is irrelevant to the camera used.

      But what the DLSR has that the iphones etc don't have is the ability to excel at the edges of technical capability. E.g. low light, large telephoto, interchange able lenses, filters, more control over exposure, better autofocus, more control over Dof etc.

      It's like a Ferrari and a Pickup. Sure they both do the same thing on the face of it. Take you to the store, go a for a drive, visit friends. But that time you wanna go enjoy some twisty roads? you need the ferrari ? That time you need to haul trash to the tip ? You need the pickup.

      And so the DLSR 'beat's iphone in some cases, iphone beats DSLR in some cases, but they both take decent pictures and if there are destined for screen only then it can be hard to even tell the difference.

      There's youtube videos of people comparing exactly this, and until you print and blow up your image to 2ft x 3ft you can't see any difference.

    • handoflixue2 days ago
      > And someone who does so is going through the trouble of carrying one is more likely to spread the photo publicly than someone who's using their phone.

      In this era of social media, is that really true?

      Most people I've known that use an actual camera take thousands of photos looking for that one perfect photo. A journalist is looking for the perfect Front Page photo, not to publish an album. They also tend to care about getting a "clean" shot without awkward strangers in the background.

      Conversely, people on social media seem to have much, much lower standards for posting, and will routinely capture audio and video. They also don't care nearly as much about some awkward person in the background, and might even be intentionally filming an awkward person to make fun of them on TikTok.

    • unethical_ban2 days ago
      I would think the person who takes a ton of phone pictures is the one more likely to put them in an instagram reel.

      And phone photos at near range are as good as DSLRs as far as "invasion of privacy" are concerned.