Inducing self-NSFW classification in image models to prevent deepfakes edits
20 pointsby Genesis_rish2 days ago5 comments
  • Almondsetat2 days ago
    If social media required ID, you could maintain the freedom of being able to use these tools for anything legal, while swiftly detecting and punishing illegal usage. IMHO, you can't have your cake and eat it too: either you want privacy and freedom but you accept people will use these things unlawfully and never get caught, or you accept being identified and having perpetrators swiftly dealt with
    • bulbar2 days ago
      Same is true outside of the Internet. With cameras and face recognition everywhere, criminals can be swiftly dealt with. At least that's what people tend to believe.
  • pentaphobea day ago
    This is a really cool idea, nice work!

    Is it any more effective than (say) messing with its recognition so that any attempt to deepfake just ends up as garbled nonsense?

    Can't help wondering if the censor models get tweaked more frequently and aggressively (also presumedly easier to low-pass on a detector than a generator, since lossiness doesn't impact final image)

  • dfajgljsldkjaga day ago
    This might prevent the image from being used in edits, but the downside is that it runs the risk of being flagged as nfsw when the unmodified image is used in a benign way. This could lead to obvious consequences.
  • ukprogrammer2 days ago
    deepfake edits are a feature, not a bug
    • kyriakos2 days ago
      its the same as banning knives because they can be used to hurt people. we shouldn't ban tools.
      • instagraham2 days ago
        with that analogy, OP's solution is akin to banning the use of knives to harm people, as opposed to banning the knife itself
        • kyriakos2 days ago
          If I undestood correctly he's unsharpening knives.
          • pentaphobea day ago
            Or making knives that turn into overcooked noodles if you try to use them on anything except vegetables and acceptable meats
            • kyriakosa day ago
              and who decides if I want to use a knife to cut mushrooms instead? see where I am going, there are (or could exist) legit cases when you need to use it in a non-standard way, one that the model authors didn't anticipate.
      • blackbear_2 days ago
        But we do ban tools sometimes: you can't bring a knife to a concert, for good reason.
      • pentaphobea day ago
        > we shouldn't ban tools

        When I see the old BuT FrEe SpEeCH argument repurposed to impinge civil rights I start warming to the idea of banning tools.

        Alternately "Chemical weapons don't kill people, people with chemical weapons kill people"

        • kyriakosa day ago
          Not really, its like banning chemistry sets cause they may be used to create chemical weapons.
          • pentaphobea day ago
            Not sure the comparison works when it does all the work for you

            I've had very little success mumbling "you are an expert chemist..." to test tubes and raw materials.

      • ben_w2 days ago
        In this case, image generation and editing AI is a tool which we managed just fine with until three years ago, and where the economic value of that tool remains extremely questionable despite it being a remarkable improvement in the state of the art.

        As a propaganda tool it seems quite effective, but for that it's gone from "woo free-speech" to "oh no epistemic collapse".

  • huflungdung2 days ago
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