80 pointsby sp1982a month ago9 comments
  • nine_ka month ago
    It's interesting how (according to these charts) Bengaluru alone has more software engineering openings than the entire USA, and NYC has much more tech jobs than SF, on par with Pune.

    This, and the absence of .NET technologies from the list (as noted elsewhere in the thread) makes me take this whole article with a large grain of salt.

    • windexa month ago
      India has a huge fake jobs problem. I think it is because of the number of "HR consultants" who constantly need to refresh their databases with "fresh" resumes. I've seen the same jobs being posted for over 8 years with no change whatsoever other than the keyword updates.
      • joenot443a month ago
        That's a funny mechanism. So these are fake jobs that HR consultants (recruiters?) use to harvest resumes?

        What's the angle here?

        • Our_Benefactorsa month ago
          They can submit those resumes to other positions.

          This type of recruiter often is paid based on # of resumes furnished, not actually filling the position, so the incentives are completely misaligned.

    • sp1982a month ago
      Quickly checking db, SF bay area has quite a bit more than NYC. There are clearly a lot of .NET jobs too but didnt make it to cutoff. I will see if I can include metro areas when I get a chance.
    • darth_avocadoa month ago
      I’m not sure how the list is being compiled but LinkedIn tells me there’s 10k jobs for “software engineer” in a 25 miles radius from me in the Bay Area. Either this data set is incomplete or LinkedIn is lying. Most likely it is both.
      • sp1982a month ago
        I got ~5K if I include Bay Area, tho my data only covers jobs that are active in the past 7d and am quite sure I have room to improve the crawl coverage. My hope is that this report is representative sample of trends.
      • hshdhdhj4444a month ago
        So many LinkedIn jobs are fake.
    • phendrenad2a month ago
      > Bengaluru alone has more software engineering openings than the entire USA

      That wouldn't exactly be surprising IMHO.

      • saxenaabhia month ago
        Linkedin shows the following

            US: 77,000
            European Economic Area: 58,000
            India: 51,000
            China: 48,000(probably undercounted)
            UK: 9,000
            Canada: 7,000
            Brazil: 6,000
            Mexico: 4,000
            Aus & NZ: 2,000
            Eastern Africa: 300
            Western Africa: 500
            Southern Africa: 600
            Northern Africa: 1,000
        
            Within europe:
            Nordics: 3,000
            Germany: 15,000
            France: 8,000
            Italy: 3,000
            Poland: 5,000
            Romania: 2,000
        • phendrenad2a month ago
          Do you work at LinkedIn? How did you get this data?
          • saxenaabhia month ago
            sir, you can search for "software engineer" on linkedin jobs and verify the count
            • phendrenad2a month ago
              I tried 'European Economic Area' but didn't get many results.
  • neogodlessa month ago
    So there are no companies on Earth using (or at least hiring for) C# or .NET then... ?
    • reactordeva month ago
      There are definitely jobs for C# folks, where is mostly Finance. At least from what I’ve seen. Love .Net but they tend to gravitate towards Microsoft Corporate.

      Most people, Java devs included, have incorporated another language into the quiver. Python perhaps. TypeScript for sure.

    • none2585a month ago
      Or native mobile?
      • sp1982a month ago
        just didn't make the cutoff of top 10 categories I am tracking, I will update the report. iOS/android/c# are around same range of 2%
    • journala month ago
      I would not be surprised if the answer is NO.
  • saxenaabhia month ago
    I don't believe this sample to be representative.

    Linkedin shows the following

        US: 77,000
        European Economic Area: 58,000
        India: 51,000
        China: 48,000(probably undercounted)
        UK: 9,000
        Canada: 7,000
        Brazil: 6,000
        Mexico: 4,000
        Aus & NZ: 2,000
        Eastern Africa: 300
        Western Africa: 500
        Southern Africa: 600
        Northern Africa: 1,000
    
        Within europe:
        Nordics: 3,000
        Germany: 15,000
        France: 8,000
        Italy: 3,000
        Poland: 5,000
        Romania: 2,000
    
    Quick thoughts

    1) US, Europe, China, India seem to be doing way better than the rest of the world

    2) Germany still tops the charts in europe

    3) China is probably undercounted, so I wonder if the real number is even higher than US. Would love to hear from people more familiar with chinese job market.

    4) I wish Africa was doing better given the economic challenges

  • coro_1a month ago
    Certainly this AI report is prone to error and needs clarification. But it's a great starting point. Would love to see the page expanded on with sources. This:

        business-software-applications: 20,248
        software-engineering: 16,992
        cybersecurity-engineering: 11,476
        software-engineering-leadership: 10,608
        data-and-analytics: 10,379
        machine-learning-and-ai-engineering: 8,793
        full-stack-software-engineering: 8,369
        java-software-engineering: 8,114
        software-quality-assurance-and-testing: 6,250
        devops-engineering: 5,381
    
    Should be broken down with a tree that shows location.
  • acbarta month ago
    So is there a place where this compares to data from last year, or previous years?
    • sp1982a month ago
      Unfortunately I don't have it because I started working on this last year but I am curious to see how AI skills surface as the year progresses.
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  • analog31a month ago
    Good lord I though Indiana was leading the geographic listings for a moment.
  • sp1982a month ago
    Data is ex-china. Good luck to everyone looking for a new role in the new year.
    • dieselgatea month ago
      What does “ex-china” mean, excluding China?

      Edit: did a quick find-in-page on mobile for “china” and it appears 0 times. Though notably China is missing from the geographic charts

      • sp1982a month ago
        Yes, excluding china. I don’t have a lot of companies based in china in my crawl data currently.
        • seanmcdirmida month ago
          That makes sense, they have their own ecosystem for posting jobs there.
        • dieselgatea month ago
          Got it, thanks. Good write up and presentation.
      • nine_ka month ago
        Do they even hire engineers from abroad, or at least from the West?
        • re-thca month ago
          Why not? Tiktok certainly needed engineers?
  • KnuthIsGoda month ago
    AI generated slop.. Crap like this should be banned.
    • visargaa month ago
      Not all AI generated outputs are slop, usually it's the low effort prompts that create slop. When you bring in external data or extensive human curation it is almost certainly not slop. I think many people put all AI outputs in the slop bucket but this is unfair to those who put a lot of thinking in their AI interactions. Slop is not given by the LLM, but by the human effort associated to that task. For code, it is the quality of the testing framework that sets the bar.