25 pointsby saubeidl3 hours ago6 comments
  • hermannj31415 minutes ago
    If you can have a nom de plume to speak truth to power, why can't one have a visage de plume as well?

    I want future generations to have the power of anonymity, that some use that anonmyity for something I disagree with is precisely why I think it might be worth preserving.

    • _vertigo4 minutes ago
      There is a difference between hiding your identity for the purpose of privacy and for the purpose of deception.

      There’s a difference between writing anonymously and assuming a false identity.

    • saubeidl11 minutes ago
      Because it takes power to do massive AI influence operations.

      It's not enabling speaking truth to power. It's letting the already powerful dictate the perception of truth.

  • snackdexan hour ago
    ngl, i think the fact that this is even possible and can get people is really dope.

    I wish there were public studies like, 'We ran an experiment where young, attractive women wearing Polish clothing caused people who would naturally express these ideologies to stop scrolling more often than young, attractive women not wearing Polish clothing, for x demographic"

  • Zenst3 hours ago
    We live in crazy times. I shudder what Brexit would have been like today with all these AI fakes, truly scary times.
    • ben_w3 hours ago
      I doubt Brexit would've been much different. The constituency nature of UK general elections means that a substantial majority of MPs knew they had to support it even though it was only a 48-52 split in a supposedly advisory referendum.

      But to the extent that it might have been different, the many incompatible visions for it that gridlocked UK politics might have coalesced into a single vision, and while that would still have been worse than not having done Brexit as all, it might have been less bad than five mutually incompatible visions that got brushed under the carpet long enough to make it happen only by Boris Johnson promising all things to all people.

      OTOH, things can be much much worse than Brexit. Musk's tweets about civil war in the UK, his willingness to support people too far right to even be in the most far-right of the top 8 polling parties, what Grok calls itself…

      On that kind of theme, there's a psych study, Robbers Cave, worth reading about. Also note some summaries fail to mention that both groups resented being manipulated by the researchers: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Realistic_conflict_theory#Robb...

  • saubeidl2 hours ago
    This is why I disagree with the free speech absolutist crowd.

    A lot of "speech" online isn't real humans voicing their opinions and having civilized discourse.

    It's nation states and moneyed interests weaponizing our naïveté, using what are meant to be public squares as means of disseminating propaganda and dividing our societies.

    People arguing for unrestricted free speech online are either complicit (e.g. Musk) or naive and being taken advantage of.

    • entropyie33 minutes ago
      Indeed. This was not such an issue when everybody had their own website or blog or whatever, and you had to seek out content intentionally... It's the active intervention of an algorithmic megaphone that is causing the damage. To me this is when it stops being free speech and starts being corporate policy that needs to be regulated.
    • Tarsul29 minutes ago
      Yes. It's propaganda, not speech. Also the algorithms favor this sh*t. Also this massive generation of content floods the zone[1]. There is nothing "freedom of choice" about it if it resurfaces all the time. Upvotes/Views count disproportionally in most social media against downvotes/"not interested" (tiktok is better but even there you can't downvote enough AI-videos for them to not resurface. Probably because the algorithm isn't good enough to understand what is AI and what not, so these downvotes often don't count against AI).

      [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flood_the_zone

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