I, and most of my country I think, celebrate Christmas but don’t really consider it a religious thing.

Most people are somewhere between non militant atheists and “technically Christian but only see priests on weddings and funerals”.

People who complain about expressions like Mary Christmas and people who preach religious values are both really uncommon.

Kids want Santa, adults use the chance to get the family together, that’s about it.

I was a little steamed when my son came home from school with a pamphlet about winter festivals which listed all of them except for the astronomically correct one that us pagans celebrate.

On the other hand, the Christian (apocryphal) idea that hope came into the world on the (almost) darkest day of the year is beautiful to me. As well as the idea that some ancient Hebrews miraculously survived in a cave.

I also like the idea that the celebrations start with advent like they do in Germany or that there are “12 days of Christmas” ending with the epiphany, which is a real astronomical event which is part of the explanation of why Christians celebrate the day that they do. Tomorrow we’re just bumming around the house and getting ready for family to come on Dec 26 and might visit a friend who was born Dec 25 on Dec 25. Sometime in the 12 days we expect to organize a Hogswatch party to enjoy

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Christmas has become more and more of a secular holiday over the years.

I think that's true in many western countries.

Everybody I know celebrates Christmas, and most of them are not Christian. It's another holiday like Halloween imo.

Christma$$ is so very commercial. Jesus’ message is universally ignored, based on actions, and in fact the entire world economy is based on the seven deadly sins. [0] You wouldn’t want people to destroy the world economy by being devout, would you?

Pride, Greed, Envy, Lust, Anger, Gluttony, Laziness. From the cited article:

> Pride. Pride is the will to omnipotence. It’s the greatest of sins, and yet it’s everywhere: big business and the elites impose their rules on the world, new technologies are increasingly transgressive (AI, transhumanism, space conquest, etc.), skyscrapers are being built ever taller, etc. In one way or another, the biggest companies reflect this pride.

> Greed. Greed is the excessive attachment to money, and the contemporary economy is based on the constant quest for profit. The accumulation of wealth, tax havens and excessive speculation are all modern forms of greed.

> Envy. Envy is a deep-seated vice: it means wanting what someone else has. These days, marketing and advertising constantly make us dream of other people’s lives, in a competition where everyone tries to compare themselves, without ever being satisfied with what they are and what they have. In particular, social networking platforms …

> Anger. But the modern economy, by creating the best and the worst, generates inhuman inequalities that arouse anger in everyone.

> Lust. Lust is the immoderate pursuit of sexual desire. The MindGeek company, which brings together the major platforms of the pornographic industry, including YouPorn, Pornhub, etc., is enjoying worldwide success.

> Gluttony. Gluttony, as we all know, is not a passing fancy. It’s a compulsive need for food pleasure. As the modern economy constantly pushes us to consume, it also pushes those who can afford it to eat non-stop…

> Laziness. Finally, laziness is not just weariness. It is the refusal of physical, moral and intellectual effort.

There you go. We are creating tools that even think for us.

So, only a few among us actually believe in the child’s message, and behave accordingly, (actions count, really they do) or at least try to. :-)

[0] https://julienchevalier.com/en/the-economy-of-the-7-deadly-s...

curious, do you know how many HN'ers there are?

Just read the Bible you will get the point that Jesus has created the world for Himself and His glory. And us to inherit His glory