6 pointsby rcarmo7 hours ago7 comments
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  • atrettel3 hours ago
    Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer. I am not your lawyer. This is not legal advice.

    In the United States, the only patentable subject matter is processes, machines, manufactures, or compositions of matter [1]. Anything outside of those areas is not directly patentable. Some subject matter like mathematics and "mental processes" generally are categorized as "abstract ideas" that therefore are not directly patentable [2]. It is possible to patent something that contains an abstract idea, but it also has to have some "additional elements" that elevate it beyond merely claiming an abstract idea.

    I suggest reading MPEP § 2106 [2] and looking at the first diagram given there titled "Subject Matter Eligibility Test for Products and Processes". That is the exact analysis that a patent examiner would use to determine if something is patentable subject matter or not (including for any claim with a prompt).

    I strongly suggest that you talk to a lawyer if you want specific advice that answers your question directly. I'm not commenting on any copyright aspects.

    [1] https://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/pac/mpep/s2104.html

    [2] https://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/pac/mpep/s2106.html

  • theflyestpilot6 hours ago
    Hmmm, I think of prompts more like recipes than an algorithm. Similar in both regards, but to the layman, I think prompts are becoming as common practice in daily lives as recipes.

    Recipes can be trade secrets but not IP.(Unless it's a super rare circumstance that proves uniqueness in a 'Food Science' way).

    I surely hope no one can patent a prompt. That would be an annoying world to live in.

    • KellyCriterion6 hours ago
      Recipes can be somehow a brand: the name "Original Sacher Torte" is protected and can only be used by Hotel Sacher, but the recipe itself isn't
      • stop506 hours ago
        its just an brand like you can register yourself one.
  • nrds2 hours ago
    The federal circuit COA has never met a patent they don't like. That's all that matters. Statute text is irrelevant. The federal circuit openly ignores SCOTUS precedent about patents (e.g. Alice).
  • KellyCriterion6 hours ago
    Excellent question - but I'm not a lawyer!

    I want to add my question: How can something be a patent, if the result of the prompts are not always the same on each run? My understanding is: Only things can go into patents, which are "reproduceable"?

    Maybe Im wrong?

    • hotgeart3 hours ago
      > if the result of the prompts are not always the same on each run?

      In stabble diffusion, it seems to me that if we define a seed with the prompt, we get the same result, no?

    • Mountain_Skies6 hours ago
      Along those lines, if the model's output was actually deterministic, would the patent be bound to using the prompt with only one particular model since the output would be different, in some cases wildly different, with other models or even other versions of the same model?

      My absolute wild guess as a layman is that prompts will at most get "trade secret" protection and won't be able to be copyrighted or patented.

  • BizarroLand3 hours ago
    You cannot patent a prompt.

    Anyone who attempts to do so will either need to be secretive and bribey to pull it off and will then also have to hope that no one ever finds out because if they did, then in any legal proceedings that come due to said patent, (which is the entire point of a patent), the outcome will be that their patent is invalidated by the court and the case thrown out.

    The point of a patent is to make it so that, while the patent lasts, no one else can use said patent without licensing it from you, and if they do so without the license they open themselves up to civil penalties that can exceed any potential profits from the illicit licensing.

    1: Prompts have no value in and of themselves.

    2: The ownership of raw AI generated materials is in a grey area. It might be public domain, it might be owned by the person who prompted it, we don't have clear hard guidelines on that.

    3: AI is trained on a dataset of billions of pieces of other peoples work. Any novelty (novelty is a requirement for a patent) that comes from AI is at best an accident of the same variety as the colors produced by spilling paint, where it has taken a slice from one person and a slice from another person and mixed them together.

    So, all in all, AI prompts and their output are almost certainly not patentable, at least as long as one sane person is in the pipeline somewhere.

    • slaw34 minutes ago
      > Anyone who attempts to do so will either need to be secretive and bribey to pull it off and will then also have to hope that no one ever finds out because if they did, then in any legal proceedings that come due

      What do you mean by this? What aspects of their conduct would someone need to be secretive about?

  • d--b4 hours ago
    I’d assume prompts fall under copyright law, like code does, but if a lawyer can weigh in, that’d be interesting.

    Maybe there has already been a case that’s been debated in court.