Postponed '60 Minutes' segment on Salvadoran prison is streamed by Canadian news(www.nbcnews.com)
142 pointsby duxup8 hours ago2 comments
  • takoid7 hours ago
    Earlier discussion:

    https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46361024 (543 points, 57 comments)

    https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46362149 (135 points, 8 comments)

    https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46362214 (184 points, 34 comments)

    https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46362032 (137 points, 30 comments)

    https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46361571 (122 points, 7 comments)

    • randomtoast7 hours ago
      And as all of these earlier discussions it will get flagged to death by trump supporters or trump supporter bots.
      • Neil447 hours ago
        It's not immediately clear to me why a news piece on a Salvadoran prison is relevant on HN, I guess that's why the flagging.
        • estearum7 hours ago
          This forum discusses information freedom pretty much all day every day. Now we have a real world example of suppression of information in the US which is rather rare and people (see comments) using technology to evade it.
          • Alive-in-20252 minutes ago
            I wish when stories get flagged it would list who flagged them
      • websiteapi7 hours ago
        why do you think it's because of trump supporters, I'm curious if you have evidence of trump affiliated suppression on HN (notwithstanding the actual segment which could certainly be said to be trump suppressed) - maybe people just don't want politics on here. in any case there's one: Cecot – 60 Minutes (archive.org), on the front page anyway.
        • ryandrake4 hours ago
          Obviously, nobody but the HN admins/mods know about flagging or voting patterns, and they don't talk about the details when these kinds of events happen. The most you'll hear is "We looked at it and manually removed the flags." So, it is impossible to provide the evidence you are asking for.

          You see this here with other topics, too, not just things some people dismiss as "political". Submit any article that criticizes a certain multi-company tech CEO and it will be instantly flagged off the main page.

          • websiteapi3 hours ago
            so you don't know but you keep saying it's because of pro trumpers...? why spread misinformation. you could just say that it keeps getting flagged without lying.
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            • etyhhgfff2 hours ago
              We cant know for sure, because unlike dang we cannot correlate the flags. However, there is something called circumstantial evidence, which can even hold up in court.

              You went from curious to accusation of misinformation and lying in just two comments. Thats concerning.

        • mothballed7 hours ago
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      • jadamson7 hours ago
        The first one is still on the front page.
        • takoid7 hours ago
          It was flagged off the front page yesterday. I'm not sure for how long, but you can read discussion about this in the thread itself.
      • on_the_train6 hours ago
        The discord people managed to spam this political bs here dozens of times, and still play the victim card. It's sickening
      • fortran777 hours ago
        [flagged]
        • an0malous7 hours ago
          Which ones are the best replacements for HN? Looking for recs
  • skrebbel7 hours ago
    I’ve gone through all the previous submission and I still don’t understand what this is about. I mean i can get bits and pieces from the comments but I miss the big picture. I’m neither American nor terminally online, so that might be why.

    Who is Bari Weiss? Why does it matter what she thinks? Without watching an hour of American TV, what’s in that episode that she wants it suppressed so bad?

    I mean we all know that the US sends people without due process to a Salvatoran prison, that’s (terrible and) not new. So what is, that it gets HN this hotheaded?

    • ksynwa7 hours ago
      People are upset that an investigation piece on a concetration camp got spiked due to purely political reasons. I am not sure what is confusing about it.
    • huhkerrf7 hours ago
      Bari Weiss is a woman who used to be an editor and opinion columnist at the NYT. She was pushed out of the NYT. Some claim she quit to become a martyr to those on the right, but if you look at what happened, like her co-workers openly insulting her in the company chat, it doesn't look good.

      She went on to found a center right online publication. Then she was named the head of CBS News. She's arguably less qualified than most, but she's not as unqualified as others claim she is.

      All of this has gotten people really worked up about her.

      It's worth noting, I guess, that she's also a lesbian. I only say that because I've noticed that it's most often people who have the "right" social characteristics that get the most aggressive responses. The people criticizing her wouldn't expect a white male to do anything else, but those that step out like Weiss often get the most pushback.

      • dgacmu7 hours ago
        I think you're skipping part of the reason people are annoyed at her: she had consistently claimed that she's trying to advance the case of free speech (her publication was even called "the free press"). So there's a great deal of hypocrisy in her imposing top-down pro-regime censorship on a major news organization.
        • ZeroGravitas6 hours ago
          But her first notable achievement in her career was calling for professors to be disciplined for criticisms of Israel, so that claim to be about free speech was always an obvious lie.

          https://theintercept.com/2018/03/08/the-nyts-bari-weiss-fals...

        • huhkerrf7 hours ago
          That's a decent point, but I left it out for two reasons. One is that she's the head of the news department. Part of her job is to decide what goes out or not. Two is that it isn't clear if it's postponed or not.
      • TheNewsIsHere7 hours ago
        > I only say that because I've noticed that it's most often people who have the "right" social characteristics that get the most aggressive responses. The people criticizing her wouldn't expect a white male to do anything else[...]”

        I don’t think I’ve ever heard this idea communicated in this kind of framing. I think it makes your point quite striking.

      • malfist7 hours ago
        The Free Press is the publication she created that you refer to as "center right". I would not characterize it as center anything, it was created with an agenda to push far right narratives, including the elimination of Palestine. The publication primarily focuses on social issues and anti-woke narratives. In particular, it regularly publishes either outright anti-trans people content, or engages in dishonest concern trolling
      • mcphage5 hours ago
        > but if you look at what happened, like her co-workers openly insulting her in the company chat, it doesn't look good

        I'm not sure "my coworkers don't respect me" is the same thing as "I got fired".

        • huhkerrf5 hours ago
          You conveniently cut off the first part of that sentence where I said she resigned.
          • mcphage4 hours ago
            > You conveniently cut off the first part of that sentence where I said she resigned.

            I left it off because "she resigned" is definitely not the same thing as "I was fired".

    • ZeroGravitas6 hours ago
      She was also installed in her role by Oracle's Larry Ellison and his son, Paramount CEO David Ellison, which gives it extra tech credentials.
      • piva006 hours ago
        Which is the connection I think is interesting to be discussed in the tech circles, we all know that Larry Ellison is dangerous from how heavy handed Oracle always has been with lawsuits.

        Now that he is part of the inner circles of the US government, and through his son trying to reach into traditional media it significantly increases the damage potential he can do.

        Given the quote from him that mass surveillance would "keep citizens in their best behaviour" it's actually frightening he managed to create proxy censorship through CBS, he's not even that far disconnected, it's simply: Larry Ellison -> David Ellison -> Paramount -> Beri Weiss -> CBS.

    • kasey_junk7 hours ago
      Bari Weiss is a conservative journalist that was appointed to the head of cbs under the appearance of being a suck up to Trump. Trump has attacked critical news organizations aggressively and that includes 60 minutes.

      The fear when she was, recently, appointed was that she’d exert editorial control to hide stories critical of Trump. This episode being buried at least has the appearance of this happening.

      • skrebbel5 hours ago
        Appreciate it. Clearly (from other responses) I didnt even understand what I didn't understand and therefore phrased my question badly. This was the context I was missing.
    • ludicrousdispla7 hours ago
      The 'postponed' 60 Minutes segment is only 15 minutes long...

      https://archive.org/details/insidececot

    • WackyFighter7 hours ago
      Bari Weiss is well known and influential Journalist if you are an American Politico, I never found her particularly interesting. Outside of that she doesn't have much name recognition. It is like Glenn Greenwald, if you care about Snowden you probably know who he is.
    • lurking_swe13 minutes ago
      as another not-terminally-online person, have my upvote.
    • yibers7 hours ago
      I am in the same boat as you. I believe it's mainly a Streisand effect
    • zug_zug7 hours ago
      Seems shocking and appalling to me. In sure an AI could explain how corrupt this is to you if you feed it the article.
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    • comrh7 hours ago
      HN is pretty consistently anti censorship
      • rubyfan7 hours ago
        But also trying desperately to not become another divisive hotbed of online flame war.
        • metalman6 hours ago
          yes, but a refusal to at least soberly acknowledge tech's central place in human conflict and it's litteral weaponisation would be another death by capitulation. that this place retains a certain civility whilst ubber geeks, money grubbers, lightly bored acedemics, and every variety of ax grinders have a go, is testement enough. the common denominators bieng drive, curiosity, and however grudgingly to count someone elses point, or let it go. though I will posit that the stakes are higher than just this place, as tech is central to everything now, and figuring that out is everyones respinsibility, so a little heat is guaranteed. Bieng a pyrologist it's something I am comfortable working with, and while I might discuss something hot, I wont shove somebodys head in the flames. no adhominum right.
      • jeltz7 hours ago
        Which is why people flag anything negative about Trump?
        • ndsipa_pomu3 hours ago
          I wonder if a positive story about Trump would similarly get flagged?
      • delichon5 hours ago
        What's the association between censorship and an editor of a publication making an editorial decision about an item? Those appear to be different subjects. Or is it censorship of B when an editor decides to cover A today instead?

        If I buy a car with a Make Love Not War bumper sticker and cover it with a Peace Through Strength bumper sticker, I have not committed censorship, but if I don't buy the car first, I have.

        • stvltvs5 hours ago
          The head of the news organization pulled an investigative story presumably because the facts it presented either didn't support her own politics, because she was afraid of the current regime's reaction, or because she doesn't know what journalistic standards are for running this kind of story because she lacks experience.

          Two of those reasons are a kind of self-censorship for political reasons tied to who is in power. Democracy needs journalism that's ready to stand up to the people in power or we become a state like North Korea where people can't speak the truth.

        • zzleeper5 hours ago
          Because that editor was installed in order to be able to censor CBS. They also bought Tiktok, and are trying to buy other media companies in order to be able to better control the flow of information.
        • zingababba5 hours ago
          > What's the association between censorship and an editor of a publication making an editorial decision about an item?

          Uh

    • newsclues7 hours ago
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