32 pointsby taubek8 hours ago11 comments
  • sombragris3 hours ago
    I doubt that this would ever happen. But...

    If it does, I think it would be a good thing.

    The reason is that it would finally motivate game developers to be more realistic in their minimum hardware requirements, enabling games to be playable on onboard GPUs.

    Right now, most recent games (for example, many games built on Unreal Engine 5) are unplayable on onboard GPUs. Game and engine devs simply don't bother anymore to optimize for the low end and thus they end up gatekeeping games and excluding millions of devices because for recent games, a discrete GPU is required even for the lowest settings.

    • Bridged77562 hours ago
      True. Optimization is completely dead. Long gone are the days of a game being amazing because the devs managed to pull crazy graphics for the current hardware.

      Nowadays a game is only poorly optimized if it's literally unplayable or laggy, and you're forced to constantly upgrade your hardware with no discernible performance gain otherwise.

  • fxtentacle4 hours ago
    I don’t think they can.

    NVIDIA, like everyone else on a bleeding edge node, has hardware defects. The chance goes up massively with large chips like modern GPUs. So you try to produce B200 cores but some compute units are faulty. You fuse them off and now the chip is a GP102 gaming GPU.

    The gaming market allows NVIDIA to still sell partially defective chips. There’s no reason to stop doing that. It would only reduce revenue without reducing costs.

    • cwzwarich2 hours ago
      Nvidia doesn't share dies between their high-end datacenter products like B200 and consumer products. The high-end consumer dies have many more SMs than a corresponding datacenter die. Each has functionality that the other does not within an SM/TPC, nevermind the very different fabric and memory subsystem (with much higher bandwidth/SM on the datacenter parts). They run at very different clock frequencies. It just wouldn't make sense to share the dies under these constraints, especially when GPUs already present a fairly obvious yield recovery strategy.
    • jsheard2 hours ago
      You can't turn a GB200 into a GB202 (which I assume is what you meant since GP102 is from 2016), they are completely different designs. That kind of salvage happens between variants of the same design, for example the RTX Pro 6000 and RTX 5090 both use GB202 in different configurations, and chips which don't make the cut for the former get used for the latter.
  • jaapz6 hours ago
    AMD will be very happy when they do. They are already making great cards, currently running an RX7800XT (or something like that), and it's amazing. Linux support is great too
    • acheron2 hours ago
      I got an.. AMD (even today I still almost say “ATI” every time) RX6600 XT I think, a couple years ago? It’s been great. I switched over to Linux back in the spring and yes the compatibility has been fine and caused no issues. Still amazed I can run “AAA” games, published by Microsoft even, under Linux.
    • snvzz5 hours ago
      RX 7900gre, can confirm as much.
  • pjmlp7 hours ago
    It means people get to enjoy more indie games with good designs, instead of having FOMO for cool graphics without substance.
    • newsclues7 hours ago
      It means lots of people will give up the hobby.

      Let's be real, the twitch FPS CoD players aren't going to give that up and play a boring life simulator.

      This has the potential to harm a lot of businesses from hardware to software companies, and change the lives of millions of people.

      • baobun7 hours ago
        PC gaming will be fine even without 8K 120fps raytracing. It will be fine even if limited to iGPUs. Maybe even better off if it means new titles are actually playable on an average new miniPC. More realistically I guess we get an AMD/Intel duopoly looking quite similar instead.

        It will probably be a bigger blow to people who want to run LLMs at home.

      • jonway7 hours ago
        That doesn't sem very plausible, how many people are driven away from CounterStrike or like League of Legends because the graphics weren't as good as Cyberpunk or whatever?

        Theres a LOT of games that compete with AAA-massive-budget games on aggregate like Dwarf Fortress, CS, League, Fortnite, people are still playing arma 2, dayz, rust, etc Rainbow Six: Siege still has adherents and even cash-payout tournaments. EvE: Online, Ultima Online, Runescape, still goin'

        These games have like no advertising and are still moneymakers. Eve and UO are like 20 and 30 years old. Heck, Classic WoW!

        • deaux2 hours ago
          I wonder if all the games you named combined surpass what Mihoyo makes off the likes of Genshin Impact.
      • ikamm3 hours ago
        Most CoD players are on console or mobile, not PC
      • hyghjiyhu4 hours ago
        Cod devs aren't stupid. They will design a game for the hardware their target market can get their hands on.
      • A4ET8a8uTh0_v27 hours ago
        Huh? No? It means that the overall platform is already at 'good enough' level. There can always be an improvement, but in terms of pure visuals, we are already past at a point, where some studios choose simple representations ( see some 2d platformers ) as a stylistic choice.

        It gonna be ok.

        • newsclues6 hours ago
          My pc is good enough for now but it’s years old and when it dies, then what? You want me to give up gaming and start hanging out at your local bar?
          • acheron2 hours ago
            Why would nvidia not making gaming cards make you “give up gaming”?
          • A4ET8a8uTh0_v25 hours ago
            It is not a question of want. Gaming will exist in some form so I am simply uncertain what you are concerned about.

            Can you elaborate a little? What, exactly, is your concern here? That you won't have nvidia as a choice? That AMD will be the only game in town? That gpu market will move from duopoly ( for gaming specifically ) to monopoly? I have little to go on, but I don't really want to put words in your mouth based on minimal post.

            • newsclues2 hours ago
              I want a local gaming machine that I control.

              Not a locked ecosystem console or a streaming service with lag!

              I think if nvidia leaves the market for AI, why wouldn’t AMD and intel, with the memory cartel. So DIY market is gone. That kills lots of companies and creators that rely on the gaming market.

              It’s a doom spiral for a lot of the industry. If gaming is just PlayStation and switch and iGPUs there is a lot less innovation in pushing graphics.

              It will kill the hobby.

      • pjmlp6 hours ago
        Let's be real, CoD only appeals to a small community in the whole planet.
        • newsclues6 hours ago
          Millions of people.
          • ThrowawayR2an hour ago
            CoD has less players than Team Fortress 2 currently, according to Valve's charts: https://store.steampowered.com/charts/mostplayed . And TF2 has ancient graphics.
          • pjmlp4 hours ago
            There are many more millions of gamers that don't even care CoD exists, it fits a small percentage on the world of gaming.
          • amanaplanacanal5 hours ago
            But if it didn't exist, those people would likely be playing something else.
            • newsclues5 hours ago
              If no pc hardware exists eventually there will be no games to play. Then you will have a bunch of angry gamers at the park pissing everyone off.

              If my hobby is ruined and I can’t have fun, I’m going to be an asshole and make everyone else unhappy.

              • lolc4 hours ago
                Ahaha are you trolling for entitled gamers? Yeah wouldn't want the real world having to face those. No worries: as long as there are people willing to drop money into expensive gear, somebody will sell it.
      • coldtea6 hours ago
        >It means lots of people will give up the hobby.

        Oh, we can only hope!

        >This has the potential to harm a lot of businesses from hardware to software companies, and change the lives of millions of people.

        Including millions of gamers, but for the better.

        • newsclues6 hours ago
          You hate gamers? Why?

          Why can’t you let people enjoy their hobby?

          • coldtea2 hours ago
            For the same reason I don't like alcoholism or meth use or gambling or porn addiction, even when the person "enjoys them".
            • tavavexan hour ago
              That's one hell of a long shot. Are your views applicable to the rest of the entertainment industry? There's plenty of people wasting away in front on Netflix, after all. Or why just entertainment, any "useless" hobbies that are repeatedly done for fun but have no real productive output. Is any comparable "pleasurable" activity that also hooks a minority of people in an unhealthy way bad, or just gaming?

              But what's most insane is trying to draw any parallels between gaming and these other things - something that was literally engineered to ruin human lives, biologically (hard drugs) or psychologically (gambling). The harm and evil caused by these two industries is incomprehensible (especially the legal parts of them, like alcohol and casino gambling/sports betting/online gambling), and trying to fit gaming in among them both downplays the amount of suffering inflicted by gambling and hard drugs, as well as villainizes normal people - like the hundreds of millions of people who play games in a sane, non-problematic way or indie game devs who make games because they want to express themselves artistically.

              Anyways, I gotta log off HN for a while. I can feel my gaming withdrawal kicking in. I've bankrupted myself four times by only spending my money on gaming, and I've been in and out of rehab centres and ERs as I've been slowly destroying my body with gaming in a spiral of deadly addiction. I think I'll have to panhandle and threaten strangers on the street to buy some Steam cards.

  • 0dayz8 hours ago
    It remains to be seen to be fair.

    But if this does happen it will be in my opinion the start of a slow death of the democratization of tech.

    At best it means we're going to be relegated to last tech if even that, as this isn't a case of SAS vs s-ata or u.2 vs m.2, but the very raw tech (chips).

  • butterknife7 hours ago
    Is it better to go short on them or buy AMD?
  • snvzz5 hours ago
    If NVIDIA exits the market, there is still AMD, Intel and PowerVR (Imagination Technologies is back at making discrete PC GPUs, although currently only in China).
    • ErroneousBosh4 hours ago
      Unfortunately none of those are any use for video work.
  • Wowfunhappy8 hours ago
    I'm also curious what this could mean for Nintendo.
    • xattt7 hours ago
      NVIDIA would still have service contract obligations to fulfil, and would provide support for its existing products for a period of time.

      Don’t worry about Nintendo. Their pockets are deep and they are creative enough to pivot. They would retool their stack to support another ARM chip, or another arch entirely.

    • nicolaslem6 hours ago
      What goes into a Nintendo console is not prime silicon. When it's time to design the next console, I am sure Nvidia will still be more than happy to give them a design that they have laying around somewhere in a drawer if it means they ship 100M units.
  • eucryphia8 hours ago
    More children born?
  • grim_io4 hours ago
    Shrug and buy the next best thing?
  • coldtea6 hours ago
    Nothing of value would be lost if all the PC gaming went away. It would be a huge improvement in life skills and mental health and even dating prospects for millions.
    • shmeeed23 minutes ago
      Luckily, what's valuable and what's not is not on you to judge.
    • ulrashida4 hours ago
      I was tempted to respond with an offhand comment about the size of the industry or similar, but what axe do you have to grind about PC gaming? You'd prefer folks go to the far more injurious mobile gaming space?
      • coldtea2 hours ago
        >You'd prefer folks go to the far more injurious mobile gaming space?

        No, I prefer them touching grass and talking to some people, or getting a less addictive and time-wasting hobby.

        • ulrashida2 hours ago
          That's a worthwhile view, but unlikely to occur. You may as well wish away casinos and alcohol while you're at it.