265 pointsby defly9 hours ago14 comments
  • shishcat8 hours ago
    This behavior only works when the reverse proxy or CDN is configured like this:

    Proxy/CDN: HTTPS (443) → Origin server: plain HTTP (80)

    (example: Cloudflare in Flexible mode)

    If the origin server uses any proper TLS configuration, even a self-signed certificate, this method stops working. It only succeeds when the upstream connection to the origin is unsecured.

    If you want to test this on a random site without Cloudflare or reverse proxy in general on HTTP: curl http://www.digiboy.ir/boobs.jpg -v

    • mort967 hours ago
      Ah, Cloudflare. The world's most widely deployed encryption remover.
      • dhab34 minutes ago
        Could someone help me understand. I looked at: https://developers.cloudflare.com/ssl/origin-configuration/s... it seems to support multiple modes.

        I didn't quite get if Automatic TLS (https://developers.cloudflare.com/ssl/origin-configuration/s...) could use plain transfers.

        So:

        * Is it insecure by default or you have to be intentionally insecure?

        * Why would anyone pick the flexible/potentially-insecure option?

      • spoiler5 hours ago
        To be fair, Cloudflare is also the reason why most sites even have TLS at all, because it offered free certs (through letsencrypt I think?) in a fairly easy to set up way.

        Certs used to be expensive, and had way more operational overhead and quirks (even setting up ACME/LE)

        • estimator72924 hours ago
          Absolutely not, no. That is all thanks to Let's Encrypt.
          • thayne7 minutes ago
            Cloudflare has native integration with Let's encrypt, which makes using TLS with a CDN much easier than if you had to acquire the ACME cert and deploy it to the CDN yourself.

            Granted, most CDNs these days have some form of free certicate system, but that wasn't always the case.

          • DoctorOW4 hours ago
            This was true before Let's Encrypt existed, they'd buy massive 500 domain wildcard SSL certs that free users would split.
        • Tostino5 hours ago
          I'm not going to give them credit for the work that Lets Encrypt did.
          • master_crab2 hours ago
            I agree, Let’s encrypt and ACME played a massive role. But it’s still far easier having Cloudflare handle TLS encryption for you.

            And i say this as someone who uses ACME in certmanager and certbot at home and still prefers the ease with which Cloudflare generates a cert for my domain and terminates TLS for the public side of my cloudflare tunnel.

        • udev409635 minutes ago
          We have a clownflare fanboy here, spreading misinformation!
      • bawolff4 hours ago
        Is it really that different than AWS? You either trust your service provider or you don't.
        • lmm4 hours ago
          AWS doesn't route requests from their load balancer to your server across the public internet. Cloudflare does.
    • udev409641 minutes ago
      Interesting. I was just setting up a LB like this: client ->LB(nginx) ->TLS terminate for LB conn -> proxy_pass to backend which is behind nginx and has separate TLS certs. it's surprisingly easy to configure. Wonder why people still use HTTP at all. Even at home, I have setup LE certs for all local domains

      On a side note, nginx doesn't support HTTP/2 for https load balancing so I am thinking of switching to haproxy which supports it

    • bobmcnamara7 hours ago
      It'll also work DigiNotar-style, when using the only root CA blessed by the National Information Network for general use: I.R. Iran.
    • huflungdung5 hours ago
      Digiboy is a treasure trove of enterprise software. Where else would I get a pirated hpe ilo license from?
  • losvedir8 hours ago
    How's this work with https like in the example? The hops along the way shouldn't see the path.

    Is this implying that all TLS is terminated at the Iran border and proxied from there? And all Iranian sites are required to host via http? That has significantly more implications than what this post is about.

    Maybe certificate authorities aren't allowed to issue private certs to Iranian organizations? Even LetsEncrypt?

    • tgma7 hours ago
      This is referring to something else: to detect whether the backend server host itself is inside or outside Iran. TLS doesn't prevent the backend network from reading the URL of course.
      • bawolff4 hours ago
        Well it would if things are setup according to best practises (i.e. use TLS between the backend connections). Presumably most people dont do that.
        • tgma3 hours ago
          Again, you are assuming a normal situation. The point is the country itself is operating (or has a heavy grip and perhaps even subsidizes) the backend CDN and enforcing that stuff in a rudimentary way.

          "TLS between backend connections" usually involves termination and decryption on the frontend webserver and re-encryption of the upstream traffic, whatever it may be.

    • SahAssar7 hours ago
      A lot of CF upstreams are (or at least used to be) plaintext. It is one of the criticisms of CF since it "whitewashed" plaintext to look like proper TLS when it was only TLS for client<->CF and then plaintext for CF<->server.
      • koakuma-chan6 hours ago
        Has anything ever prevented you from having TLS on your origin server? You can even get a certificate from Cloudflare.
        • selcuka6 hours ago
          This is a problem for the visitor, not for the server's owner. There is no way to know whether the traffic is encrypted between the server and CloudFlare.
          • tialaramex5 hours ago
            Regardless of Cloudflare, there is no way to know whether the traffic is encrypted between your apparent end-point and where it's actually used, nor whether that traffic is subsequently revealed to other parties, on purpose or by mistake.

            When you type your password into e.g. Hacker News, you are sending that password to the server. It doesn't matter that they're using bcrypt tuned for $1Bn attackers and you chose a sixteen character random alphanumeric string because that precise string, the valid password, is deliberately sent by you, to them, to authenticate and so if they accidentally reveal that or get compromised in any way, game over.

            It's getting a little bit better in some areas. My good bank actually has halfway decent security now, but the bank with most of my money (which is owned by my government, and thus avoids any risk consideration - if that bank fails, the currency my money is denominated in also fails, so, it doesn't matter any more) still thinks passwords are a good idea. Google lets me use a Security Key, but most web sites I authenticate with still use passwords.

            SSH is slightly better, because of its target audience. A lot of people use public key auth for SSH, which doesn't have this issue. But that's not the web.

            • lmm4 hours ago
              > Regardless of Cloudflare, there is no way to know whether the traffic is encrypted between your apparent end-point and where it's actually used, nor whether that traffic is subsequently revealed to other parties, on purpose or by mistake.

              Any server could be leaking plaintext data, sure, but Cloudflare offers and even promotes wrong-thing-as-a-service.

        • LoganDark6 hours ago
          I've set up CF for a personal site and I even tell CF to use a client certificate (called "Origin CA") so nothing else can even connect to it.
          • tgsovlerkhgsel6 hours ago
            Have they started to use per-domain certificates for this, or can anyone who finds the origin bypass the check by creating their own (different) Cloudflare domain and pointing it at your origin?

            Edit: Looks still the same by default, but at least they're (somewhat obscurely) documenting the issue and providing the option to use a custom cert now...

            https://developers.cloudflare.com/ssl/origin-configuration/a...

    • bobmcnamara7 hours ago
      > Is this implying that all TLS is terminated at the Iran border and proxied from there?

      Yeah, the law-abiding type on the Iranian National Information Network(NIN), either using the Electronic Commerce Council's I.R.Iran CA for HTTPS or just HTTP.

      > Maybe certificate authorities aren't allowed to issue private certs to Iranian organizations? Even LetsEncrypt?

      Due to NIN registrations being not very much not anonymous, https://xkcd.com/538/ seems pretty appropriate if you want to use an unapproved certificate authority.

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  • Yokolos8 hours ago
    I'm wondering for what purpose one would be interested in finding out if a site is hosted in Iran or not.
    • nostrademons8 hours ago
      Would assume it's to check if a site is foreign propaganda. A lot of the lesser-known news sites that you see linked on social media are actually psy-ops pushing an agenda, many of them foreign-based. Follow the technique in the article and you can easily blacklist Iranian ones.
      • elemdos5 hours ago
        I don’t buy psy-ops unless it’s American-made
      • mdni0077 hours ago
        [flagged]
        • testdelacc17 hours ago
          Dozens of Scottish independence X accounts ‘went dark’ after Iranian internet blackout (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/06/25/scottish-ind...)

          Iran is actively working hard to make us hate our fellow citizens. That matters.

          • rozab6 hours ago
            More concretely, a bunch of Scottish nationalist accounts were unearthed as Iranian by the recent X location switch-on
          • FilosofumRex5 hours ago
            [flagged]
        • ifidishshbsba7 hours ago
          So true, can this be adapted to detect Hasbara?
          • greenavocado6 hours ago
            Ask the person you are arguing with to denounce certain things and the response is often informative
        • kortilla7 hours ago
          If you’re in any western democracy you should worry about propaganda bots from Iran, DPRK, Russia, and China.

          They have well known active operations of helping fuel the flames of political division by amplifying both sides of extremely divisive topics.

          If you’ve ever engaged in flame wars about abortion, brexit, Scottish independence, the Ukraine war, the Gaza war, etc, there is a really good chance there were many participants from one of those parties.

          • austin-cheney6 hours ago
            Everybody spies and attempts psyops campaigns. I am much more concerned about nations that actively and massively attempt to exploit US election interference: Russia and Israel.
          • AngryData6 hours ago
            I worry even more about native propaganda bots honestly. Just because they are native it doesn't mean they aren't pushing a massive agenda, and they have even more motivation to do so.
          • greenavocado6 hours ago
            JIDF never disappeared, it merely got a fresh coat of paint and disappeared from the public eye
            • BergAndCo5 hours ago
              JIDF was a geocities website by a random rabbi in his basement
          • Waterluvian6 hours ago
            Those all did concern me. These days they concern me far less than the U.S. I’ve got to prioritize my foes.
          • ipaddr6 hours ago
            Worry about these countries don't worry about Israel? Doesn't Israel fund both sides of fueling political division?
    • cj7 hours ago
      It’s illegal for US companies to do business with anyone in Iran.
    • delichon8 hours ago
      I'd rather not do business there.
    • asdefghyk8 hours ago
      Im guessing - its for some protest action? ... but really I have NO IDEA.
  • wyldfire2 hours ago
    Is there a Scunthorpe problem looming there? Birdwatchers might seek out information about boobies - are they treated like boobs.jpg is?
  • KiranRao09 hours ago
    Does anyone have sample sites that return this?
    • phgn8 hours ago
      Also interested in a sample site where the request successfully resolves ;)
      • asdefghyk7 hours ago
        If search in google search with site:ir it returns lots .ir links. I clicked on one and it went to a .com domain site.

        This may or may not be useful. How all this works is beyond my knowledge ..

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    • readthenotes17 hours ago
      Are you asking if there are pictures of boobs on the internet?
  • pavel_lishin3 hours ago
    A long time ago, my friends and I found a "scary"-looking image, written in a mixture of English and Arabic, warning the viewer that they'd come afoul of ... I forget, some Iranian government department of censorship?

    Naturally, we made it so that 1% of the requests to a forum we ran at the time displayed it to the viewer. :)

  • vivzkestrel3 hours ago
    I am probably a little dumb, i read the article but dont understand what happened. can some HNer kindly explain?
    • whynotmaybe3 hours ago
      I guess that if you GET https://somedomain.com/boobs.jpg you get a 404 (not found) from a web server hosted outside of Iran but if the server for the domain is hosted in Iran, you get a 403 (forbidden) because the request is intercepted by a firewall that detect the word "boobs" and reject it with a 403 without forwarding it to the webserver that would usually return the 404.
  • bawolff4 hours ago
    So does this mean 10.x.x.x is publicly routable inside iran? Why wouldn't the Iranian government just use its own ip space for the censorship message?
    • lmm4 hours ago
      > Why wouldn't the Iranian government just use its own ip space for the censorship message?

      IP addresses are expensive if you're not the US. Also they might be reusing a standard corporate filtering product that expects to be deployed on a private network (and in a way, that's what the Iranian internet is).

    • ycombinatrix4 hours ago
      I just tried this on a few Iranian websites and never got a 403, let alone an iframe.
  • Aloisius8 hours ago
    So presumably Iran has a reverse proxy in front of the entire internet for HTTP?

    I really want to know what's on the webpage for the iframe.

    • mschuster918 hours ago
      > So presumably Iran has a reverse proxy in front of the entire internet for HTTP?

      Standard DPI firewalls can do that for you. Absolutely no issue.

      • manmal7 hours ago
        For the path component, in a TLS secured request?
        • bobmcnamara7 hours ago
          It's a CDN, not an IP router. CDNs usually terminate TCP+TLS as close to the client as possible. This used to be done right at the edge - within the NIC for a long time, but CPUs have been more than capable for the last decade+

          Few guesses:

          1) CDN connects to backend server over TLS, using the national I.R. Iran root CA

          2) CDN connects to backend server over HTTP

          3) Backend server is running a nationally blessed Linux OS

          For 1 & 2, the National Information Network would be implementing this DigiNotar style but they already own the root keys. For #3, the backend does so itself. These are the people who p0wned DigiNotar after all.

  • JumpCrisscross7 hours ago
    I wonder if this could be broadened to a list of Wikipedia links to humanitarian content folks in repressed regimes are or might get blocked from. Tiananmen Square [1]. Wen Jiabao's staggering corruption [2]. Epstein's e-mails [3]. Et cetera.

    Like Netflix launching Fast.com, this would directly weaponise these regimes' censoring tendencies against themselves.

    [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_Tiananmen_Square_protests...

    [2] https://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/26/business/global/family-of...

    [3] https://jmail.world

  • cluckindan8 hours ago
    Wow. The screenshot had the IP address exactly where I placed my finger to scroll, and iOS Safari briefly opened a popup window where it started connecting to that IP.

    Fuck this shit, I’m moving to a hovel in the woods.

    • rootusrootus8 hours ago
      Along the same lines, I occasionally find myself cursing iOS for its willingness to just bring up the dialer and call a number. I really, really wish that it would confirm any dialing before doing it, especially if you didn't click on a phone number on a contact. Couple times I've ended up dialing a recent spam caller, which is the last thing I ever want to do.
      • lxgr7 hours ago
        On top of that, the only possible interaction with the number is to call it or to not call it.

        Want to copy the number into the clipboard to call it later, call it from a different app, or forward it to somebody else? Tough luck.

        • furyofantares5 hours ago
          There are a few options available if you press and hold it (Call, Message, Add to Existing Contact, Create New Contact, Delete).

          I feel this only make the fact that tapping calls without confirmation more annoying though.

        • MaintenanceMode7 hours ago
          Occasionally, if you're lucky enough, an option to copy the phone number shows up, it seems like completely at the whim of the OS. And that's after accidentally starting to dial the number, of course.
      • quesera6 hours ago
        iOS presents me with "Dial NPA-NXX-XXXX" and "Cancel" options in a bottom-raised dialog, when I tap a tel link.

        I don't recall doing anything special to make this happen, but I wouldn't put it past me.

        • rootusrootus6 hours ago
          That may be specific to a web browser hyperlink. Click on an entry in your recent calls list and it'll immediately dial the number that called you.
          • quesera5 hours ago
            Got it, I missed the context.

            Agreed, now that I remember the self-training I had to do to avoid the issue, this is an obnoxiously awkward design choice!

    • pizzalife8 hours ago
      It’s in a private Ip range so unless you’re inside Iran you’re fine.
      • ycombinatrix4 hours ago
        I don't think that works in Iran either
    • culi7 hours ago
      Agree it's a stupid default but you can (and imo should) turn off link previews in iOS
  • gnarlouse6 hours ago
    I saw “boobs” so I ran.

    -Iran

  • ThePowerOfFuet9 hours ago
    • Boogie_Man9 hours ago
      Thanks for posting this. I mostly gave up on viewing the one or two Twitter feeds that interest me after nitter stopped working. It wasn't ideological, I just wasn't able to reliably view and navigate without an account, and when I made an account it just kept showing me like "black HS football player bad sportsmanship".

      Look like I've got about two years of James Cage White story arcs to check in on.

    • jimbob457 hours ago
      Why does this work while nitter doesn’t?
    • behnamoh9 hours ago
      [flagged]
      • qbit429 hours ago
        I don't want to have to create an account to view the full context.
      • hypeatei9 hours ago
        > XCancel is an instance of Nitter.

        > Nitter is a free and open source alternative Twitter front-end focused on privacy and performance.

        Where is the mission statement about wanting X gone?

        https://xcancel.com/about

      • lexlambda9 hours ago
        Like posting an archive.is link, others can actually read it. No login required for reading replays, no popups and signup nagss.
      • floodle9 hours ago
        It's easier to view the tweet, to be fair
      • dvngnt_9 hours ago
        you can view replies without logging in
      • llimllib9 hours ago
        some people don't want to give clicks to X, no we're not done with it. It doesn't harm you does it?
        • behnamoh9 hours ago
          [flagged]
          • mikestew9 hours ago
            So the question is, what does a commercial website gain from people clicking on links to that website? I’m not even sure where to start to explain that one if one has to ask.
  • lovegrenoble8 hours ago
    Why not?