This is partially being addressed by projects like https://tangled.org. It's built on the same protocol as bluesky, meaning your identity is preserved across different platforms so that _where_ your git is hosted is unrelated to how you discover and connect with others.

And just sheer amount of documentation and examples out there. Everyone uses it, therefore everyone writes about it, the new hire probably knows it, and if they don't they can find it easily.

Then again maybe for stuff like actions and in general CI/CD it's not all that bad, you don't need whole team to know exactly how to write it, you just need to have a person knowing it. and it's generally not all that hard to learn.

My primary pain point with Codeberg has been that the issue search is worse, so that there are cases where I'm rather certain than issue exists-- because I've triaged it in the past-- but it's hard to find with the keyboard search. Hopefully that can be improved soon.

There were some times were Codeberg's general performance was noticeably worse, but most recently it has been fine.

If you thinking of migrating a project with hundreds of issues, I would do a test migration and practice a few different searches to test the result quality.

How long do you think until the inevitable community split into the Codeberg People's Front and the People's Front of Codeberg over some minor ideological disagreement?

Both of the issues you listed are what I call "helpful problems", issues with a service that is helpful insofar as they immediately tell you there are probably a lot more issues under the surface.

> Running CI/CD pipelines can use significant amounts of energy. As much as it is tempting to have green checkmarks everywhere, running the jobs costs real money and has environmental costs.

> Unlike other giant platforms, we do not encourage you to write “heavy” pipelines and charge you for the cost later. We expect you to carefully consider the costs and benefits from your pipelines and reduce CI/CD usage to a minimum amount necessary to guarantee consistent quality for your projects.

So much pretentiousness

You can self host the software underlying Codeberg, which is Forgejo. Then there is also GitLab which has a lot more features but is arguably more intensive to maintain. And then there is the long tail, such as the projects Forgejo was forged from (Gitea and Gogs) and various other FOSS forges e.g. Phorge which was forked from the now discontinued Phabricator.

The point of GitHub is not technical - the website is terrible. It's the social network.

I looked into this recently. But came up with.. nothing that worked me.

I think I was looking for something like Migadu[1] for git hosting. Cheap, private and for personal use. The best option is probably to self host.

I tried to fish out some ideas with an ASK HN thread but it did not get any attention: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46011054

I have started putting my new stuff in Codeberg. Some of the private projects have manually update private mirrors on GCP (free so far).

[1] https://migadu.com/pricing/

Stick with Github if it solves your problem. No particular reason to move off, only reasons I've seen so far is "don't like Microsoft" and "Don't like the UI". But overall, GitHub is the leading tech in this space. For FOSS, I can see why some may want to move off, but for commercial work, it's great. Seems to be a bit of a bandwagon of articles of people moving off hitting hackernews (which in reality represents a tiny percentage of users), no need to hop on the bandwagon unless you have some compelling reasons for something else.

Azure Devops, free for up to 5 users. Free runners Free private repositories Plus work item tracking

I like sourcehut. It's the only forge out there that isn't set out to copy the Github UI like everyone else. And its UI itself feels instantaneous, as if it was running locally.

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GitLab. There's also the option of self hosting it on a cheap server if you don't like cloud services.

If you want bang for your buck, and you use free GitHub Actions, then no.

Gitlab is pretty good, plus you can self host it if you really want. It's an interesting company too, they're 100% remote.

Sourcehut [1] is another interesting one.

[1] https://sourcehut.org/alpha-details/

Note that private repos are supported on Codeberg. (I would link to one of mine, but you'd just see a 404 :P)

bitbucket?

Gittea for self hosting is something I always wanted to try.

<s>There's nothing about Codeberg that's FOSS only afaict.</s>

This was incorrect, I misread the changes to the TOS.

Ongoing availability issues, Microsoft's shoehorning of AI, GitHub's focus on migrating to Azure infrastructure rather than adding features and fixing shortcomings. If I had to guess.

Zig’s announcement[0] might provide some insight

[0] https://ziglang.org/news/migrating-from-github-to-codeberg/

My guess is it's a Summer of the Shark-esque phenomenon. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Summer_of_the_Shark

I'm personally very tired of shoving AI everywhere otherwise GitHub is okay-ish albeit it seems it performed much better when it was a rails website rather than a react "app".

Not naming names but heard from contacts that it is currently a sh*t-show of politics internally right now at GitHub and no progress is being made/large parts of the platform are abandoned unless P0.

Honestly, I've been trying to cut down on the number of Microsoft development tools in my workflow because they are so drunk on the AI Kool-Aid that it's affecting the usability and reliability of their products in pretty much every other respect.

I don't really have a choice but to use Windows and Visual Studio 2022 for work, but I've dusted off my Sublime Text license and have been eyeing migrating my personal repositories to Codeberg.

The new focus of GitHub is to harvest data for AI.

Everything else not important to them.

SourceHut has Mercurial hosting: https://hg.sr.ht

You can use your own Woodpecker instance with Codeberg. I do this at work and privately and it works great and is much faster than the free CI that Codeberg can afford.

For me this is the GitHub moat.

They do, but their capacity is limited so you have to ask them for access and make a reasonable case.

https://docs.codeberg.org/ci/

The article quotes from Codeberg,

> Running CI/CD pipelines can use significant amounts of energy. As much as it is tempting to have green checkmarks everywhere, running the jobs costs real money and has environmental costs.

Honestly I think the mention of environmental costs has likely made users hesitant to sign up. Mentioning it costs real money is reasonable. Mentioning the environmental costs is not; the environmental harm is equivalent to the population buying a few dozen extra cars, which can easily be influenced by random marketing decisions by automakers and dealers.

In my experience reprimanding tech savvy people for the environmental costs of compute just doesn’t work. It’s far better to rephrase things into performance optimization problems, which naturally pique engineers’ interest.