24 pointsby h2o_wine2 months ago14 comments
  • AstroBen2 months ago
    input tokens: $0.5 per 1,000

    output tokens: $1.5 per 1,000

    that's either one hell of a typo or my god I'll be broke in an hour if I accidentally use this service

    • neuropacabra2 months ago
      Yeah, agreed. This sounds like a proper scam to me...
      • h2o_wine2 months ago
        It totally isn't. In a reply above I explained how I accidentally routed to Anthropic first & ended up losing $13.62 before I realized my mistake.

        The moral of the story,if something gets screwed up, I end up paying

    • h2o_wine2 months ago
      Actually, I accidentally routed to Anthropic first and ended up losing $13.62 but it does work. I've used it for two of my other projects.

      I created it for people using AI in development. The 1st 50 tokens are free.

    • kingstnap2 months ago
      The website looks like AI, so do we call it a typo or a hallucination?
      • kingstnap2 months ago
        Not only is it AI its outdated AI.

        https://tokensaver.org/api/pricing

        Is offering GPT 3.5 Turbo and Gemini 1.5 Pro.

        • kingstnap2 months ago
          So right now it seems like it actually just provides Claude 3.5 sonnet, all you need to do is curl it.

          I wonder how many dollars OP loaded on their API key. So far according to stats you've spent $13.65 for a few hundred thousand tokens people sent up.

          { "success": true, "totals": { "requests": 491, "revenue": 0, "cost": 13.650696, "profit": -13.650696, "inputTokens": 411557, "outputTokens": 258956, "customers": 32 }, "byProvider": [ { "provider": "anthropic", "requests": 491, "cost": 13.650696, "revenue": 0, "profit": -13.650696 } ] }

        • h2o_wine2 months ago
          Actually I updated it to Gemini 2.0, GPT-4o, GPT-4o-mini, and Claude 3.5 Sonnet, Haiku. I did it when I realized I accidentally routed everything to Anthropic first & got hit with a $13.62 bill on rollout.

          Moral of the story is, the only one who loses $ is me

    • jnamaya2 months ago
      That was exactly my impression. I thought the price was for 1 million tokens.
  • raincole2 months ago
    Mom, I want openrouter.

    We have openrouter at home!

    In all seriousness, the value proposition is weird to me. The most expensive queries are the ones with huge contexts, and therefore the ones I'd less likely to use cheap models.

  • LiamPowell2 months ago
    The authentication for the API seems poorly designed. The auth token is your email address rather than a real auth token. If I know someone uses this service I can send a massive number of requests to cause a large credit card charge with just their email address. I thought this was just a mistake in the obviously LLM-written home page, but the API really does work this way after testing.

    On top of that logging in does not require a password, just an email address.

  • dfajgljsldkjag2 months ago
    This has a nice made up "case study": https://tokensaver.org/blog/how-i-saved-500-dollars-on-ai-co...

    > Six months ago, I was running a customer support chatbot for a SaaS product. Nothing fancy - ...

    I'm sure this toooootally happened

    > curl -X POST https://tokensaver.org/api/chat \ -H "Content-Type: application/json" \ -d '{ "email": "your@email.com", "messages": [ {"role": "user", "content": "Hello!"} ] }'

    Am I getting this right that there's no auth? Just provide an email and get free requests?

    Edit:

    This seems to always use sonnet 3.5 no matter the request. I asked it a USAMO problem and it still used sonnet (and hallucinated the wrong answer of course).

    • h2o_wine2 months ago
      I screwed up the routing & it sent everything to Anthropic when I updated from Beta & ended up losing money. The case study was done 6 months ago.

      It's a simple tool. Use it or don't. The only person who would lose money in error is me.

    • growt2 months ago
      Vibe coded most likely. The creator might figure out the problems with that approach the hard way.
  • _pdp_2 months ago
    I am not sure who is the intended customer for this service.

    The prompt and the model go hand in hand. If you randomly select the model the likelihood of getting something consistent is basically zero.

    Also model pricing don't very that much. I have never heard of spot-instance equivalent for inference although that will be cool. The demand for GPU is so high right now that I think most datacenters are at 100% utilisation.

    Btw landing page does not bring much confidence this is serious. Might want to change it to communicate better and also to be attractive to "developers" I guess.

    • franga20002 months ago
      Depends on what you're doing. Something like "read this text and extract all the phone numbers" or "write a 3-point summary of this email" will perform about the same on all good models.
    • h2o_wine2 months ago
      It's a tool not an SEO branded, shiny website. It's a utility. & model pricing varies considerably for now. This tool will be useless in another year or two.
    • pants22 months ago
      The equivalent of "Spot Instance" is basically the OpenAI Batch API
    • askvictor2 months ago
      > Also model pricing don't very that much.

      I'm curious when AI pricing will couple with energy markets. Then the location of the datacentre will matter considerably

  • h2o_wine2 months ago
    Out of frustration, I built an AI API proxy that automatically routes each request to the cheapest available provider in real-time.

    The problem: AI API pricing is a mess. OpenAI, Anthropic, and Google all have different pricing models, rate limits, and availability. Switching providers means rewriting code. Most devs just pick one and overpay.

    The solution: One endpoint. Drop-in replacement for OpenAI's API. Behind the scenes, it checks current pricing and routes to whichever provider (GPT-4o, Claude, Gemini) costs least for that specific request. If one fails, it falls back to the next cheapest.

    How it works: - Estimates token count before routing - Queries real-time provider costs from database - Routes to cheapest available option - Automatic fallback on provider errors - Unified response format regardless of provider

    Typical savings: 60-90% on most requests, since Gemini Flash is often free/cheapest, but you still get Claude or GPT-4 when needed.

    30 free requests, no card required: https://tokensaver.org

    Technical deep-dive on provider pricing: https://tokensaver.org/blog/openai-vs-anthropic-vs-gemini-pr...

    I wrote up how to reduce AI costs without switching providers entirely: https://tokensaver.org/blog/reduce-ai-api-costs-without-swit...

    Happy to answer questions about the routing logic, pricing model, or architecture.

    • growt2 months ago
      You should probably take the service down before the HN crowd maxes out your credit card with the already discovered security and auth issues. Then find a technical co founder of you still want to pursue this idea and build it from scratch.
      • h2o_wine2 months ago
        My credit card isn't in there. The app was written 6 months ago where it stayed in Beta. I rolled it out as a way to reduce the cost of development. Use it or don't. It will be obsolete in another year or two when AI calls level in price.
    • kbaker2 months ago
      Hi, curious, did you know about OpenRouter before building this?

      > OpenRouter provides a unified API that gives you access to hundreds of AI models through a single endpoint, while automatically handling fallbacks and selecting the most cost-effective options. Get started with just a few lines of code using your preferred SDK or framework.

      It isn't OpenAI API compatible as far as I know, but they have been providing this service for a while...

    • jasonsb2 months ago
      > Typical savings: 60-90% on most requests, since Gemini Flash is often free/cheapest, but you still get Claude or GPT-4 when needed.

      This claim seems overstated. Accurately routing arbitrary prompts to the cheapest viable model is a hard problem. If it were reliably solvable, it would fundamentally disrupt the pricing models of OpenAI and Anthropic. In practice, you'd either sacrifice quality on edge cases or end up re-running failed requests on pricier models anyway, eating into those "savings".

      • moduspol2 months ago
        I genuinely wonder the use cases are where the required accuracy is so low (or I guess the prompts are so strong) that you don't need to vigorously use evals to prevent regressions with the model that works best--let alone actually just change models on the fly based on what's cheaper.
        • growt2 months ago
          Yes and in addition for some reason that use case is also not a fit for some cheap OS model like qwen or kimi, but must be run on the cheapest model of the big three.
  • csours2 months ago
    Inferred tokens are a commodity. It's crude oil, not an oil painting.

    https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45837691

  • h2o_wine2 months ago
  • shepardrtc2 months ago
    For input,

    - GPT-5.1 is $1.25 / 1M tokens

    - You are $0.50 / 1,000 tokens

    Output:

    - GPT-5.1 is $10.00 / 1M tokens

    - You are $1.50 / 1,000 tokens

    Am I reading that wrong? Is that a typo?

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  • rgthomas2 months ago
    Really interesting approach.

    As these routing engines evolve, I wonder how you see them handling drift or divergence when different models produce structurally incompatible outputs.

    Any thoughts on lightweight harmonization layers?

  • dmezzetti2 months ago
  • faxmeyourcode2 months ago
    This landing page is vibe coded and littered with mistakes/typos (per 1,000 tokens), outdated models (Gemini 1.5?), the security link at the bottom of the page is an href=#, and I can see the "dashboard" without logging in or signing up.

    > Message Privacy: Your API requests are processed and immediately forwarded. We never store or log conversation content.

    > Minimal Data: We only store your email and usage records. Nothing else. Your data stays yours.

    Source: trust me bro.

  • danishSuri19942 months ago
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    • supriyo-biswas2 months ago
      I see that you have a few LLM-generated comments here, although this one is probably the most egregious amongst them. HN is mostly for humans to interact, so please do not do this here. Thank you.
    • thornewolf2 months ago
      This comment is likely AI. Consider author post history as well.

      (this comment)

      > This idea sits in a really interesting space because on paper

      (previous comments)

      > I really like this class of work because it sits at a strange intersection:

      > It’s wild how Voyager forces two truths to sit together:

      The pattern is "<compliment intellectual stimulation> <make note of juxtaposition>"

      > becomes workflow-aware, not just price-aware.

      > human mental model instead of the mathematically convenient one.

      > run for that mindset more than for the tech.

      My meta comment is not breaking the HN guidelines by letter, but may be spiritually breaking guidelines. See:

      > Please don't post insinuations about astroturfing, shilling, brigading, foreign agents, and the like.

      I think clarification on AI-accusations should be added to the guidelines if it falls under this class of comment.

      • Analemma_2 months ago
        The post itself is AI too, so we've got a perfect closed circle. Soon HN won't even need the humans anymore, as long as it drives enough hype and seed round funding.
      • growt2 months ago
        Interesting, I read the comment and it had some very valid points and didn’t veer off into AI brabble. If it is AI I’d like to see the prompt!
    • dfajgljsldkjag2 months ago
      Thanks for the AI slop that tries to debunk some other AI slop