https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Wetback
If I'm reading that correctly the US wanted the labour, and the Mexican Government wanted the US to enforce stricter control:
Pressure from Mexican agribusiness owners to return laborers from the United States to Mexico prompted increased action by the Mexican government.
The labor problems caused crops to rot in Mexican fields because so many laborers had crossed into the U.S. Meanwhile, American agriculture, which was also transitioning to large-scale farms and agribusinesses, continued to recruit illegal Mexican laborers to fulfill its expanding labor requirements.
But will ICE be able to track immigrants using whatever Apps are created here?
Scary times we live in. Stay safe everyone.
Even more impressive is how effective it is to pull small sleight-of-hand moves, like referring to these processes as “immigrant-tracking”, as if the federal government is somehow at war with immigrants. One really has to admire the raw narrative-building chutzpah of these outlets.
> a group of Dutch Nazi collaborators [...] in Amsterdam, during the Nazi Germany occupation of the Netherlands in World War II. [...] The bounty paid to Henneicke Column members for each captured Jew was 7.50 guilders (equivalent to about US $4.75).
Adjusting for inflation that's ~$91, if any had a profit motive rather than an ideological one, perhaps they supplemented it by looting from victims...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_famine_of_1944%E2%80%931...
Their immoral-mass-murder really ramped up when they couldn't achieve their desired rate/expense of the immoral-mass-incarceration and immoral-mass-exiling they were already doing.
Even if your statement was correct--it isn't, ask the victims in CECOT--it isn't reassuring or exculpatory: "Don't worry guys, we may have spent 11 months speed-running years of the Nazi trajectory, but don't worry, we're stopping at only this much of the cruelty. I promise, for realsies this time. Double pinky-swear."
I explicitly mentioned the people renditioned to "CECOT", as well as two other respondents telling you about "El Salvador", stop playing dumb.
CECOT is a prison, are you saying regular people are being deported to a prison? If they are criminals that's a different story of course. I mean actual crimes to be clear, I don't count being illegal in the US.
> CECOT is a prison, are you saying regular people are being deported to a prison?
Yes! Yes! That is exactly what they did!
1. The Trump administration claimed we were somehow in a state of invasion by a crime gang from Venezuela and that somehow that allowed him to use Alien Enemies Act of 1798. A law last-used for the notorious Japanese Internment Camps during World War 2. [0]
2. The administration declared a bunch of Venezuelans as "gang members", with no charges nor trial, including several who at the time had legal status to be here, often based on nothing but "too many tattoos I don't recognize." [1]
3. They renditioned those people to a different country (El Salvador) and directly into a prison "for terrorists" (CECOT) and paid the local dictator to do it. [2][3]
4. They tried to move so fast that no judges could react, and still ended up violating court-orders to not transfer people into El Salvador, and then claimed they had no power or responsibility to fix it. (Even though they were paying US tax dollars to El Salvador to keep it going.)
So yeah, kinda a big deal, and I trust this is more than enough for you to answer other questions with your own web-searches.
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[0] https://apnews.com/article/trump-alien-enemies-act-venezuela...
[1] https://www.npr.org/2025/03/31/nx-s1-5345832/advocates-say-f...
[2] https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/what-to-know-about-the-el...
[3] https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politic...
[4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deportation_of_Kilmar_Abrego_G...
[5] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/March_2025_American_deportatio...
I still very confident about my original claim that this is not even close to people being sent to German concentration camps to be (slowly) murdered. You (or anyone else that responded to me) have provided zero proof of that happening.
I do appreciate you taking the time to provide sources for your claims, thank you for that.
I agree that better, more concrete proof is needed before deporting suspects to a prison. While a point system probably catches people that have managed to evade law enforcement and that should be in jail, there is also a bigger chance of regular people getting caught up.
In my opinion that is a very big difference.
Most people that are deported don't end up in a prison either, they are returned to their home countries.
A strong indicator of an article that get flagged, and which also trigger the flame war detection on the site, is a bunch of comments that are either grayed out or flagged. The one will feed the other into a death spiral for the article.
I think it's way more likely they're censoring topics because the posts that get flagged are usually criticism about AI, MAGA, or Zionism.
If a private firm can make money from catching bad guys, then why wouldn't the same private firm pay rewards to people who make their job easier?
Many of the detention facilities where we keep illegal immigrants are privately run. Many of our politicians own shares in those private companies.
Shareholders don't like it when their investments don't appreciate.
But there are going to be software engineers working at these surveillance and tracking firms, probably some on this site.
Just like there are people here getting paid to work on Facebook or Instagram despite knowing deep down (even if they're in denial) that those products are profoundly harmful to society at large and young people in particular.
Technology is only becoming more intertwined with daily life, not less. When does the software industry develop scruples?
There was a huge poll last year in the US and most people sided with Trump and his electoral program of enforcing immigration law.
The two are not comparable.
Demand scruples from the common man while the billionaire overlords who are actually the major beneficiaries are off the hook.
Maybe there's still enough ethics left in the general SWE population to make a difference.
By refusing the job, you narrow the number of people who can do the job, making it more expensive, both because there are fewer candidates to do the job and because it makes the hunt for employees take longer. It also gives cover for others who aren't confident to stand against the job by themselves when they see others refuse it.
There's a non-zero chance that refusing such a job means it becomes too expensive to be feasible, especially if it requires expertise held by a limited set of individuals.
By refusing a job, I only narrow my employment opportunities.
The bank won't take my goodwill as payment before they take the house for not paying the mortgage. This is essentially where the discussion ends.
The world is cursed. I have to engage with systems that were not of my creation, and that will devour me if I am complacent. But we keep moving forward anyway.
I would like these companies to not exist. For the billionaires that direct them to create immeasurable damage to society to pay for their misdeeds. I even vote for whichever party that promises to limit the reach of those companies.
What I won't do is damage the lives of those that depend on me in an empty gesture of moral grandstanding.
There are no good people working at these companies.
Being clear, the you in my comment is the generic you - not directed at you the individual I’m replying to.
The engine that grinds people is not of my own making, and I may wish it didn't exist. But the engine exists, and will grind me too.
The engine is designed to force people into submission. The power imbalance is too strong against the common man.
Professions have some kind of organization that tries to impose standards of discipline and ethics.
1. Partisan/tribal personality driven with a core of "us vs. them"
2. Government policy and the application of same.
The mechanical engineers who design cars and the civil engineers who design the roads and bridges they traverse are held to these standards, and hold themselves to these standards. The software engineers who write code that actually controls vehicles in practice have no such culture. Relevant professional organizations like the ACM should be leading the charge, but they aren't because their membership doesn't care.
One solution is to license software engineers. What do people working in the industry think about that?
And creating regulations for the word "engineer" is just a bad idea. Instead the common solution is independent certification bodies (perhaps with some government clout for practices that endanger people).
And regardless, you can only regulate individuals within your jurisdiction. Global commerce and services makes the idea of controlling the word engineer fruitless.
All of the most dangerous systems are built by engineers and outside the most progressive circles it’s quite obvious that these systems must exist amidst the anarchy of geopolitics.
Oh how far we've wandered from that old promise of "small government".
The rates are per contractor.
Hunting people for commission is back in vogue. Now flag this article, it's about the intersection of society and technology.
The logistics are just impossible unless you build massive camps.
Republicans already passed a budget giving ICE a crazy amount of taxpayer dollars, a subset of that being $45 billion-with-a-B directly earmarked for the creation of new "detention centers". If "economic reasons" were gonna stop them, it would have already happened.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politic...
"The current administration won't do X because that would hurt Y."
Nevermind they have demonstrated over and over again they don't care what happens to Y.
It it just cope? Is it overfitting being used to old school politicians who talk a big game but are afraid to destroy the whole country?
> Like I said, America's a third world country as it is and... and we're just basically in a hopeless situation as it stands
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pP8XBJc2p_g
I keep GY!BE playing on repeat for the past several months.