26 pointsby robtherobber2 hours ago3 comments
  • roenxi6 minutes ago
    The treatment of Ma compared to his equivalent in the US (probably Bezos or Musk?) might be one of the neatest illustrations of genuine ideological difference between the two countries.
  • comrade123424 minutes ago
    Something that's common for wealthy Chinese that live in the USA is to get a USA green card but not citizenship because china does not allow dual citizenship. The ceo of a company my wife worked for does this - although that didn't stop him from being arrested (basically just disappeared) by the Chinese government for about a year a bit after the same happened with Ma.
    • koolala6 minutes ago
      He reappeared? Ask where he was?
  • kibaan hour ago
    Real estate(the land, not the mansion) is a really good long term storage of wealth as it is fixed, finite, and doesn't depreciate in value except through market trend and it basically only go up as long as the economy itself grow.

    However, this causes land speculation which drives the price of land up, and people do not want to develop properties because it would means investing in buildings which costs money to build and maintain and entails risk and ongoing effort.

    The correct solution to this is a land value tax, which if implemented correctly, should drive down the price of land down to zero and force Jack Ma's family to either commit to actually investing in UK's economy or park their wealth elsewhere.

    • jdasdf4 minutes ago
      >Real estate(the land, not the mansion) is a really good long term storage of wealth as it is fixed, finite, and doesn't depreciate in value except through market trend and it basically only go up as long as the economy itself grow.

      None of this is true.

      Step by step:

      >as it is fixed

      Something not being able to be moved is a negative, not a positive

      >finite

      New land is created all the time. The netherlands has created an entire new province.

      > and doesn't depreciate in value

      Only true legally. I can assure you land does depreciate, as can any farmer that has used it to farm the same crop for years and now finds its yields reduced as a result.

      >except through market trend

      So, just like any other asset?

      > it basically only go up as long as the economy itself grow.

      Untrue, simply check any number of rural areas that have had the life drained out of them over the past 50 years.

      Land is useful, but let's not pretend like it's something it isn't.

    • bmitcan hour ago
      What's the difference between land value tax and property tax?
      • trueismyworkan hour ago
        A land value tax (LVT) is a tax on the unimproved value of land only, while a traditional property tax is levied on the combined value of both the land and any structures or improvements on it . Consequently, LVT taxes the land's community-created value, which is not the result of the owner's labor, and does not tax improvements like a house. This encourages development because it disincentivizes property owners from letting vacant land sit idle and penalizes land speculation.
        • numpad02 minutes ago
          [delayed]
        • andyferris11 minutes ago
          Our local government taxes are entirely LVT and yet our housing prices still spiral upwards.

          I'm not sure how to work this to everyday people's benefit - are the taxes to be so large punative that half of everyday home owners need to sell up? (I mean, the tax will only depress value if sales are avoided, or existing owners choose to sell, right?)

          I'm probably in the "increase supply until no one else wants one" camp...

      • zukzukan hour ago
        I don’t get why people ask questions like this nowadays when the Wikipedia article or an LLM will give you a much better answer than what someone could type in a reply.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_value_tax

        also take a look at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgism

        • stavros30 minutes ago
          Sometimes it's nice to interact with other humans, even if it's online. But an LLM could have told you this.
    • trollbridgean hour ago
      Henry George enters the chat