61 pointsby manchoz15 hours ago16 comments
  • cornonthecobra3 hours ago
    "we have been open-source long before it was fashionable"

    An abridged timeline:

    1960s to 1980s: hobbyist and academic/research computing create thriving public domain software ecosystems (literally the birth of FOSS)

    1983: The GNU Project begins

    1989: The World Wide Web is created

    1991: Linus Torvalds posts the first Linux kernel to USENET

    1992: 386BSD is released; Slackware is created

    1993: NetBSD is forked; Debian is created

    1994: FreeBSD 2 is released

    1995: Red Hat is created

    [a decade of FOSS and the internet changing computing and research forever]

    2005: A collection of low-cost microcontroller education tools, benefiting from half a century of FOSS, is formalized into something called "Arduino"

    • shevy-java3 hours ago
      > 1989: Tim Berners-Lee invents the World Wide Web

      I think ideas etc... existed before that, e. g. DARPA and what Alan Kay said.

      Tim mostly pushed forward a simple protocol that worked. Would be interesting to see how much Tim really generated de-novo, but in general I disagree that he "invented" the world wide web as such. That would seem unfair to many other people - just like Alan Kay once said, you see further by standing on the shoulders of giants (translation: you benefitted from earlier inventions and ideas, made by other people).

      • cornonthecobra2 hours ago
        As I was writing it out, I knew someone was going to complain.

        It's an abridged timeline. Brevity because the point is the date, not the fine detail.

        But since I don't care to argue on the internet... edited.

      • exasperaitedan hour ago
        > Would be interesting to see how much Tim really generated de-novo, but in general I disagree that he "invented" the world wide web as such.

        Eh? What do you mean it would be interesting to see? It's well-documented. Not controversial or hidden.

        The HTTP protocol yes. But also the browser/editor app, WorldWideWeb, a web server for it, and the URL scheme, are literal Berners-Lee inventions. HTML may be an SGML language but it's his SGML language.

        He's not claiming and nobody is claiming he invented hypertext (he would say Ted Nelson and Alan Kay).

        He absolutely invented the fundamentals of the end-to-end web technology as we use it. There was no functioning internet open-hypermedia system before 1990. It's just not in question and it's kind of disingenuous to imply he didn't do much.

        (Defining down "invent" in this way is also disingenuous to all inventors, who all do their work in the context of prior art)

  • 12_throw_away10 hours ago
    "We are Arduino. We are open. We’re not going anywhere."

    -- statement from Qualcomm without a single human being's name on it

    • camkego5 hours ago
      If you walk into the head office of Qualcomm (in Sorrento Vally, San Diego, CA) and you see the the "Patent Wall" in the entrance covered with almost 1400 patents, it's kind of hard to wonder just how open Arduino will be.
    • shevy-java3 hours ago
      You are right - the whole blog entry has zero names mentioned. An anonymous opinion piece indeed.

      Could have almost been written by AI, but the content seemed so angry that I think it must have been a corporate spokesperson who just woke up, read people being concerned and angrily hacked away at the keys at the keyboard.

    • RobotToaster5 hours ago
      > We are open.

      Except that half their boards and the entire cloud platform aren't open source at all.

      • shevy-java2 hours ago
        Yeah. This can also be the intro: "and so it begins".

        E. g. qualcom stepwise swallowing the infrastructure and pulling the chair under the hobbyists community.

  • 1718627440an hour ago
    What I don't get is how what they do is even legally possible, since the libraries have all F/OSS licenses (MIT, LGPL, GPL, APL), and they don't even own the sole copyright to most things.

    https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45978802

    https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45985663

  • PaulHoule14 hours ago
    Sorry, you got bought by Qualcomm and that was suicide.
  • kvakvs9 hours ago
    I don't get it, do we keep the pitchforks out, or do we stash the pitchforks?
    • shevy-java2 hours ago
      It may be over already. I mean, the pitchforks will change what exactly? Looks like qualcom pwns I mean owns the arduino ecosystem now. Just like a killed-by-Google meme, qualcom may soon start its own killed-by-qualcom trend.
    • bsder2 hours ago
      You can keep the pitchforks out, but you sadly need to assume Arduino is dead.

      Of course, if you weren't already making that assumption when Qualcomm bought them, I don't know what to tell you ...

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    • beefnugs8 hours ago
      "we collect data for your privacy" they have no idea what words or actions mean anymore.

      There is no such thing as being purchased by a large company while retaining anything non-evil. If anything this is the remaining employees who were lied to their face about remaining whatever they were

  • NalNezumi2 hours ago
    Anyone have any advice for Arduino replacement? I recently (unknowingly) bought a R4 for some LED projects but knowing now the background, I'm wondering if there's any other alternative for hobby (noob level) micro controller project
    • petre42 minutes ago
      Any ESP32, RP2040 or RP2350 board. The last two use external QSPI flash, so hobby projects only. There are no fuses to set to read protect the firmware.
    • majso31 minutes ago
      nrF52
  • healsdata8 hours ago
    Adafruit acted a bit shady here. Their original post includes:

    "Military weird things"

    Reading the ToS, the two mentions of military are "don't use our AI product for military use" and in the export and trade controls section.

    How are either of those weird?

    • ptorrone3 hours ago
      the carve out is weird and usually open-source does not say, no to the navy using it BUT, it's OK for DARPA ...

      > Military Use: Use by or for any military organization or for any military purpose, including but not limited to projects sponsored or paid for by military organizations, or use by the U.S. Department of Defense (except for DARPA), U.S. Armed Forces, U.S. Department of Homeland Security, U.S. intelligence agencies, or any foreign counterparts of the foregoing.

    • rockskon8 hours ago
      Given the ambiguity of the phrase "military use" when the military does, in-fact, use it for things the military does - I am not confident in the slightest with Arduino's use of language here.
      • shevy-java2 hours ago
        Indeed. Also because any big organisation or corporation can both do evil and good. Often research projects with guarantees to release knowledge or some other improvements such as to software projects under a permissive licence.
      • healsdata7 hours ago
        How would you want to see this further clarified?

        > Military Use: Use by or for any military organization or for any military purpose, including but not limited to projects sponsored or paid for by military organizations, or use by the U.S. Department of Defense (except for DARPA), U.S. Armed Forces, U.S. Department of Homeland Security, U.S. intelligence agencies, or any foreign counterparts of the foregoing.

        • rockskon6 hours ago
          Gee, I dunno, how about by not limiting its scope exclusively to AI usage by the military?

          Also - given how many tech companies involved in AI have done an about-face on military usage of it, I'm increasingly seeing it as an empty promise.

      • 7 hours ago
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    • snvzz6 hours ago
      Free Software's Freedom #0: Freedom of use.
    • monegator6 hours ago
      >Adafruit acted a bit shady here

      what is new here?

      • ptorrone3 hours ago
        i wrote the article, just go ahead and call me shady and leave out other people at the company. limor will be back online next week after recovering (just had a kid) and you can call her shady too.
        • shevy-java2 hours ago
          But you did not sign the article? I don't understand this.

          IMO it would have just been easier to simply sign it. (With signing I mean mentioning who specifically wrote a blog entry; and also ideally the time as well.)

        • kotaKat2 hours ago
          nah, rest of the company gets the shady label too, always has, always will.

          remember when y'all both started blocking people on twitter for calling out data breaches? hrm, lmao.

    • altaccount20265 hours ago
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  • shevy-java3 hours ago
    "Let us be absolutely clear: we have been open-source long before it was fashionable"

    This is a VERY bad attempt at self-promo, sorry.

    Many other open source projects are much older, so "fashionable" is a very emotionally laden word. But, even aside from this: what matters is the now and future. You can not refer to a "glorious past" if the future just looks bleak and bad.

    "The Qualcomm acquisition doesn’t modify how user data is handled or how we apply our open-source principles."

    Everyone already sees that the Qualcomm take-over changed the project. There is no way to deny it. Now, perhaps it COULD lead to an improvement - who knows. But it can also lead to a stagnation or decline. We saw that with many other projects that suddenly became progressively starved down. Even without a corporate overlord that may happen, when users, hobbyists, devs, are no longer as interested. They may write fewer blog entries and so forth - decline happens.

    "We periodically update our legal documents to reflect new features, evolving regulations, and best practices."

    As does Mozilla - yet firefox keeps on dying and dwindling.

    Sorry, but this just reads like a post mortem to me.

    "Restrictions on reverse-engineering apply specifically to our Software-as-a-Service cloud applications"

    Which open source licence typically were to include that? And, by the way - I am increasingly noticing how the "legal terms" try to provide provisions that aren't part of a licence. I noticed this some time ago with regard to RubyCentral slapping down meta-corporate rules on rubygems.org (see here https://blog.rubygems.org/2025/07/08/policies-live.html). So this is what corporations want to do. I don't see how this benefits the hobbyists or solo devs in any way, shape or form. And I don't agree that this "sets the record straight" either.

    To me it reads like a corporate take-over of arduino. That's bad.

  • riazrizvi9 hours ago
    This allays my suspicions. I appreciate the response to this community’s concerns.
  • exasperaited5 hours ago
    “ we have been open-source long before it was fashionable.”

    That is a weird, weird claim for a firm that was founded off the back of a project that started in 2005.

    It’s, what, over five years after the VA Linux IPO, two years after Microsoft arguably used Caldera as a weapon in a proxy war against IBM, seven years after one of the most famous software products of all time, Netscape Navigator, went open source.

    Just a strange, facially implausible bit of appeal to tradition.

  • latexr3 hours ago
    This is so full of vapid corporate speak, it’s ripe for one of those joke “translation” posts:

    > We’ve heard some questions and concerns following our recent Terms of Service and Privacy Policy updates.

    Translation: Y’all are angry about us changing what we stood for.

    > We are thankful our community cares enough to engage with us and we believe transparency and open dialogue are foundational to Arduino.

    Translation: You fuckers are loud and this is blowing up in our faces, so we need to do damage control fast or the acquisition will be worthless.

  • arjie8 hours ago
    Seems reasonable. I have a Duemilanove and an Uno R2 that I haven't used in ages but Arduino stuff has always been open as far as I remember. I really can't bring myself to pull out the pitchforks here. They've earned the trust from me. It's been over a decade now.
    • shevy-java2 hours ago
      Does not really make a whole lot of sense to me.

      You are basically saying that "past experience means future trust". How does this relate? I mean, a company xyz can have been doing great in the past, but may go extinct lateron for any reason. See Sun and then who owns Java nowadays. I much preferred Sun over Oracle really.

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    • IshKebab4 hours ago
      Did you miss the bit where they got bought by Qualcomm??
  • neilv8 hours ago
    They say "privacy" a lot on that blog page, but that very page runs surveillance capitalism trackers from Facebook, Twitter, Google, and others.
    • baobun8 hours ago
      Whoa there, you're in reverse-engineering territory of their website already!
    • rasz8 hours ago
      They mean privacy for the author of that blog post - he is anonymous after all.
  • villgax7 hours ago
    Faceless corpo speak at best
  • typpilol8 hours ago
    If the only restriction on reverse engineering is their cloud SaaS, why was everyone up in arms?

    Or is this Arduino trying to save face?

    • healsdata8 hours ago
      Their definition of "the platform" in the TOS is verbose and has weird grammar. I can see how people came away with a different understanding.

      > User shall not translate, decompile or reverse-engineer the Platform, or engage in any other activity designed to identify the algorithms and logic of the Platform’s operation, unless expressly allowed by Arduino or by applicable license agreements;

      > The Site is part of the platform developed and managed by Arduino, which allows users to take part in the discussions on the Arduino forum, the Arduino blog, the Arduino User Group, the Arduino Discord channel, and the Arduino Project Hub, and to access the Arduino main website, subsites, Arduino Cloud, Arduino Courses, Arduino Certifications, Arduino Docs, the Arduino EDU kit sites to release works within the Contributor License Agreement program, and to further develop the Arduino open source ecosystem (collectively, the “Platform”).

      • baobun8 hours ago
        I can only read this as the entirety of "Arduino open source ecosystem" being part of "the Platform".
        • consp4 hours ago
          I'm pretty sure that is the point. Legal ambiguity to say whatever they can vaguely in public but in court they will make it encompass the entire world.
    • Karliss5 hours ago
      Large companies have repeatedly demonstrated that they will pick whichever interpretation is most convenient at the time. When there are pitchforks they will claim that you are confused and misinterpreted the writing but when you get poisoned by food in their restaurant and try to sue them they will point at terms of service on their online video streaming service that your spouse agreed 5 years ago as if that's relevant (not a joke Disney tried that one). These things are supposed to be written by proffesionals, I dont think Hanlon's razor sufficiently explains it, terms of service are at least partially intentionally written as vague and unclear as possible for benefit of one side.
      • praptak4 hours ago
        That's called motte and bailey.
    • shevy-java2 hours ago
      u/healsdata already gave a good answer to that. I may only add that this could be the first step of increasing restrictions made by qualcom. The future will show. If it happens, some who warned about that may wisely nod their heads then, whereas others will be very confused about "this sudden change" ...
    • unmole8 hours ago
      > why was everyone up in arms?

      Engagement farming, clout chasing etc.

  • speedgoose5 hours ago
    > The Qualcomm acquisition doesn’t modify how user data is handled or how we apply our open-source principles.

    That’s a lie. Perhaps they lie to themselves. I don’t know. I can only guess.