44 pointsby cyndunlop2 days ago5 comments
  • majkea day ago
    Falsehoods programmers think about addresses:

    - parsing addresses is well defined (try parsing ::1%3)

    - since 127.0.0.2 is on loopback, ::2 surely also would be

    - interface number on Linux is unique

    - unix domain socket names are zero-terminated (abstract are not)

    - sin6_flowinfo matters (it doens;t unless you opt-in with setsockopt)

    - sin6_scope_id matters (it doesn't unless on site-local range)

    (I wonder if scope_id would work on ipv4-mapped-IPv6, but if I remember right I checked and it didn't)

    - In ipv4, scope_id doesnt exist (true but it can be achieved by binding to interface)

    and so on...

    Years ago I tried to document all the quirks I knew about https://idea.popcount.org/2019-12-06-addressing/

    • sunshowersa day ago
      Thanks. At Oxide we do use the scope ID quite a bit, as my colleague Cliff Biffle says here: https://hachyderm.io/@cliffle/115492946627058792
    • namibja day ago
      It's sad that the only other loopback v6's appear to be v4's /8 in the form mapped into a slice of v7 address space
    • o11ca day ago
      You can use ::ffff:127.0.0.2 for most purposes, but you can't ping it.
      • mananaysiempre16 hours ago
        > you can't ping it

        WTF?..

        (My Linux machine can, but I’ve no clue if I should trust that now.)

        • o11c15 hours ago
          Hm, it has always failed for me on Debian.
  • koito17a day ago
    Unrelated to the article, but the scope ID in IPv6 addresses is super useful for the networking software I write.

    The socket API for IPv4 requires a strange ceremony of calling if_nametoindex to map an interface name to an index then setting IP_BOUND_IF in order to bind a socket to a particular network interface. (Sorry, this only works on BSD and Mac OS; Linux instead uses SO_BINDTODEVICE for whatever reason).

    When you don't supply a network interface, the OS "helpfully" guesses an interface, and that interface is usually the wrong one for multicast and broadcast packets.

    I made a PXE boot server in Rust recently, and I lost at least 30 minutes of my time figuring out why DHCP responses wouldn't be receieved by an EFI client. The problem was that 255.255.255.255:68 is inherently ambiguous when multiple network interfaces exist.

    In the case of the IPv6 API, you have to specify the interface up front (e.g. ff05::1:3%en0) or else you won't even be able to send a packet. I used to find this design tedious, but I prefer writing scope IDs explicitly in an address rather than having libc (or my own code) iterate over a linked list provided by the kernel to get an integer then supply that integer to a setsockopt (and remember that Linux has a quirk here).

  • theamk18 hours ago
    I think the answer is very obvious here: Debug should not omit fields. serde should not skip fields. Which means that there needs to be a way to put flowinfo into textual representation. Since there are already incompatibilities in how ipv6 addresses are handled ("%enp4s0f0" is supported by ping but not by Rust), might as well make something up, like "1234::5678%9-Q0x42". Tools like "ping" accept "-Q 0x42" option already, so most network engineers would be able to guess what does "-Q0x42" tacked to the end of address means.

    Since this is backward-compatible when QoS is not set, I'd just change Display to emit it. But I am guessing some people may complain, so special implementation for Debug would work too...

  • a day ago
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  • WatchDoga day ago
    Another day, another reason ipv6 should have been ipv4 with more bits.
    • bcantrill16 hours ago
      Has anyone done a piece a Second System Syndrome and IPv6? (Surely?)