The whole culture is poisoned by regulations imho.
Do you have more details? From what I gather as an American from 5 minutes of Googling is that Ford sells a van in Europe that's a re-badged VW T7, but it's not like VW is selling Ford stuff.
* She inherited a booming economy with very good reforms and plenty of budget surplus
* Let infrastructure to rot
* Energy production cratered and shifted to Russian gas dependency (high profile politicians related) showering Putin with billions every year
* Then tricking Puting to a peace agreement to quietly "rearm" Ukraine to prepare for war (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minsk_agreements)
* Nuclear reactor dismantling
* Poisoned relationships with peripheral EU countries by forcing her brand of politics
* Persecution of opposition, branding "far right" anything right of center
* Destroying German identity (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8PNgxbTE0o)
* Pushing police state and against free speech
* Failing upwards her protégé von der Leyen to the top of the EU, an incompetent, and unelected nepo-baby
* Forcing Germany and the EU to take in tens of millions (at least) of "refugees" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wir_schaffen_das ("we can take them", open doors, family "reunification", etc)
* Anti family hard-line feminist
TBF, at the time, I also fell to the propaganda of Merkel being the best and smartest stateswoman ever.
Sure, not everything she did was bad. But her legacy is now Germany's nightmare. And EU's, too. Untangling this mess will be very difficult.
to be honest, this is what enrages me. I feel like I was in a madhouse; the mass media were pushing an image of Merkel as the only adult in the room and the patron saint of liberalism.
I saw, live, how she mismanaged the Eurocrisis, turning a banking crisis into a humanitarian crisis, and how her reaction to the invasion of Crimea was meek.
but if you dared to say something about this, you were seen as a dangerous communist or worse.
I hated her flawed politics for 15 years. But now, surprisingly, I kind of miss her. not because she was good; she was terrible as i said, but the new leadership, especially in Germany, is far worse: Friedrich Merz is a zero, and von der Leyen seems utterly retarded, and i don't mean it in a mocking way, but literally: they are always choosing the worst option for Europe at every step.
dark clouds over europe... but mostly, of our own making.
Not saying I agree but this sort of argument will be impossible to counter for centrists with the mounting populist backdrop.
> But a profit warning by German carmaker BMW late on Tuesday was the latest reminder of the industry’s structural challenges as it struggles with the transition to battery cars, weak sales in China and US import duties.
My gut feeling is that the Chinese are now buying locally made EVs. Other nations are buying Chinese made EVs. Except the Americans, who can't afford anything without paying extra money to their Mad King. (This is generalized, obviously there'll be American or Chinese BMW buyers, but a lot less).
Damn, look at that graph of registrations: https://carnewschina.com/2025/10/08/byd-sales-surged-2225-in...
IOW, they're not dumping, they're doing the opposite. I don't know why.
If they're doing the opposite yet end up a lot cheaper with higher quality and more features, I'm really not sure what's going on. Don't see how they could be cheaper either.
1) Ever since the Cold War ended, German companies have been shifting production to cheaper places in Europe, so less and less "German" cars are actually built in Germany and show up as German industrial production.
2) Germany used to sell a lot to China, but Chinese companies are upping their game and shifting to EVs, and Germany is losing Chinese market share as a result.
3) Those same Chinese companies are increasingly selling overseas and starting to kick German butt. I went to an EV car show recently, and while Volkswagen Group had a large presence (VW, Audi, Cupra, etc) and some of their EVs looked pretty good, the prices were consistently 20-50% above the equivalent Chinese models.
The German industrial sector might be shy at importing most of their parts from Asian developing countries and China in order to keep friendly relations with their domestic supply chain, keep friendly relations with their domestic political system, reduce IP cloning and keep some semblance of national pride, all of which combine to impact their prices. Also, there may be legal or tax requirements about domestic or EU component origin percentages, but I wouldn't know, since my business was in medical appliances.
In general the ICE car market is not just car manufacturers but many thousands of companies all over the place that make parts and components. Quite a few of those are becoming redundant and quite a few more are facing stiff competition from abroad. Anything to do with components for petrol or diesel engines is going to face year on year declines.
What's currently happening in the market is price parity before incentives, before considering benefits from lower maintenance, and before considering benefits from lower energy cost. An EV is simply becoming the cheaper vehicle to buy. And with all that included, EVs are far cheaper overall. That's not a trend that's ever going to revert. It's only going to get worse and it's going to have some obvious effects.
A lot of this applies to US car manufacturers as well BTW. The current tariffs are distorting the market dynamics. But that's unlikely to last very long. GM and Ford will need to keep up internationally if they want to stay relevant in foreign markets.
Germany is merely ripping off the band-aid right now (or having it ripped off for them). Short term disruptive but it needs to happen at some point.
Nowadays quality has become an issue, where you could, back in the day, drive your Mercedes for 500.000km over a 30years lifetime, nowadays you are lucky to make it past the factory warranty. Along with quality, repairability, tuneability and parts availability and prices have worsened significantly. So German cars are no longer a safe bet on longevity and low lifetime cost, which is what drives away export customers as well as German private customers.
The only thing that has so far kept the German car industry afloat is tax subsidies towards German corporate customers: If your employer offers you a car as part of your salary, you only pay monthly taxes on a flat 1% of the sales price of the car, and for that, the employer can freely give you the car, maintenance, fuel for private and company use, all included. While the employer pays cheap company leasing rates and discounted gross fuel prices, and can offset all that whole spending against the company tax bill. So overall a good deal for employer and employee, and a huge boon to the German car industry (because practically all company vehicles have to be some German brand for prestige).
However, nowadays, the full tax deduction is only available for plug-in-hybrid and electric cars, ICE vehicles only get half the deduction. And the plug-in-hybrids will soon be classed down to ICE status. All the while German car makers struggle to offer proper electric cars at acceptable prices. All the while their plug-in-hybrids suffer from poor quality and life expectancy, expensive repairs and therefore expensive insurance and low resale value.
This means that German car makers will continue to lose their last reliable customer base.
Accepting that trying to get closer to NATO justifies this invasion, usually with the term "legitimate Russian security interests" denies Ukrainian sovereignty. Russia does not have the right to impose its will on its neighbours.
Read up on Cuban missile crisis, it might provide some context.
No superpower has the right to impose its will on its neighbours, yet here we are : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_r...
Would the Bay of Pigs invasion had happened if Cuba was not courted by the USSR ?
Putin invaded in 2014 after Ukraine deposed of their dictator over his failure to commit to EU alignment, the Nato stuff is a post-hoc excuse developed by the Russian government. This isn't about Nato it's about Putin being afraid of having working democracies next door.
And by applying just a tiny bit of realism, is it feasible for a country right next to a colossal power to have independence ? Do all the small countries south of the US enjoy independence ?
Straw man.
Moscow is ruled by idiots. The war in Ukraine was perhaps the largest own goal of the millennium, ahead of Brexit and possibly right behind—worst case—the Iraq War.
> is it feasible for a country right next to a colossal power to have independence ?
Yes. Literally how alliances have worked since the Bronze Age.
Nope. Challenge to presuppositions. The argument would be valid only if Ukraine was a threat of a "working democracy"
> Yes. Literally how alliances have worked since the Bronze Age.
Since we are now past the Bronze age could you give me a contemporary example of a small country close to the US that is practically independent and is not meddled with ?
> Moscow is ruled by idiots.
Putin might be a power hungry lunatic — like most leaders — but there is one thing that he certainly isn't, an idiot. Neither is Lavrov.
So yes, he's an idiot.
Ps. Don't whataboutism power hungry Putin. There is literally no one worse.
https://disinfo.detector.media/en/post/how-russian-propagand...
Proof: Finland and Sweden joined NATO and Putin didn't care.
They cut off their main energy supplier and opted for a much more expensive one.
All things considered they aren't doing too bad, both Volkswagen and BMW are in the global top 7 EV brands by sales. But BYD is far ahead of everyone else, selling nearly an order of magnitude more EVs than any German brand. Which hurts Germany especially since they used to sell a lot of cars in China, BYD's home turf
Porsche (having the same CEO as Volkswagen) went all-in with EVs too early with offering their bread-and-butter model "Macan" as an EV exclusively, and they had to find out that it's not what their customers what at the moment, so they are currently trying to backpaddle.
- Crumbling infrastructure
- Decades of missing investments in education and the public sector
- no digitization
- Unwillingness to move away from ICE vehicles
- Slow internet access and slow build out of fiber network
- Killing future industries (solar, battery ...) by cutting funding/subsidies early
- low wages in European comparison
The big problem imho is that due to greed and technical incompetence (especially regarding electronics and software), quality and value have gone down. The high prices are no longer justified, and customers are drawing the logical conclusion.
Is it? Because that's definitely how China is doing it:
https://rhg.com/research/chinas-subsidies-are-fueling-involu...
So their industrial problem can't be fixed with subsidies, as in subsidies not capable of improving long term DE competitiveness without subsidies. Even if they automate workfroce and remove social benefits, lack of access to cheap industrial feedstock is precluding, i.e can't offset structurally disadvantage of being more expensive producer on input level.
> Slow internet access and slow build out of fiber network
We don't have dial-up anymore. High-speed access is not a problem for commercial and industrial sites, and rarely a problem for remote work in residential areas. Despite what some commentators like to imply, you don't need 1 Gbit/s for productive work. 100 Mbit/s is usually fast enough, and if your browsing experience is still slow, it's most likely caused by round-trip delay, not bandwidth.
> low wages in European comparison
That would actually help commercial output and competitive position, not lower it.
In rural regions workshops output is limited by their internet speed as the can only download that many CAD files from customer per day.
Cheap RU gas isn't just power, it's cheap industrial feedstock/inputs. Renewable/nuclear does not replace this. So all the wank about their energy policy is distraction. TLDR:
Competitive Germany industry needs cheap RU gas.
Healthy German economy with 40% trade GDP needs US + PRC, then RoW markets.
PRC market going away.
Germany "chose" (maybe pressured) into expensive US gas to keep US market, because doesn't matter manufacturing cost if you lose biggest future market, and can't manufacture without reliable source of gas. The lockin is DE gets US gas and US market access.
But Germany with expensive US gas = will eventually lose competitiveness in most other markets, so sectors will crater. Double whammy of other (PRC) being more competitive and DE making it self even less competitive.
The counterpoint to that is JP has to sacrifice (shadow subsidize exports) by managing exchange rate, i.e. JP went from 5-6T nominal GDP to 4T just through FX depreciation in last 20 years. They import expensive inputs but fx/account/spreadsheet their way into selling (up until PRC auto) competitive cars, which really domestic JP households pay for by essentially subsidizing exports (i.e. household -> industry transfer) which worked for a while with low / negative interest rates, but that era coming to end last few years ("easy" era with yen carry trade) and now there is CoL crisis especially for imports. Meanwhile PRC auto is eating at their shares.
Germany being stuck with Eurozone/eurobux has much less ability to pull this lever - they can't unilaterally devalue euro. So JP currency manipulation game, which itself is short/medium term trick that broke down with PRC's structurally cheap autos isn't option. If DE could play the FX game same will happen, they can prop up some sales (though long term can't compete with PRC producer prices), in exchange for domestic purchase power tanking.
TLDR if German could do a JP, which they can't, it will result net smaller German economy by essentially having germans subsidize exports and eat buckets of shit via imports, BUT MUCH WORSE THAN JP. JP still "only" 20% export:gdp, DE is 40%. Imagine Germany go from 4.5T GDP to to 2.5T. It would be anniliation.
E: Forgot this is all WHILE JP is still importing cheap RU LNG from Sakhalin2, despite US pressure, and only got US to back off buy also buying some LNG from alaska. Meanwhile US told Germany to jump off a cliff and they did.
For a business, there's no incentive anymore to choose Germany over other EU countries. Cheap energy is gone. Germany is literally collapsing under its own weight: endless bureaucratic structures that just keep on growing.
Just let it fail? I'm reminded of this, which I read recently about rare earths:
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/12/business/china-rare-earth...:
> Rare earth refineries and magnet factories all over the world have been buying Chinese equipment for the past 20 years. Many equipment vendors in North America and Europe closed when most of the world’s rare earth mining shifted to China in the late 1990s.
I'm sure that, at the time, people were saying that North American and European rare earth equipment manufacturers were "non-competitive for multiple years now."
They are now downsizing, etc in order to save themselves.
Consumers will definitely profit from that, there's no way they will tax Chinese imports even more, no way i tell's ya!
Before sanctions the leading import source was Russia.
EVs could have helped a lot more as China has demonstrated but people like the brum-brum noise and all the right-wing parties with mysterious ties to Russia and other fossil fuel producers didn't think they'd work for some reason.
In the EU, car companies only sell large (and very expensive) SUVs.
If you want to have a fully electric car on top of that, the bill will be far too high for most people.
This is also why the EU is seeing a switch where people can't buy their cars anymore and have to lease them or hope their employer will do it for them as part of a company car package.
News to me. Did you mean in the US? Or did you mean the most famous German brands like BMW and Audi?
For the EU as a whole, there's e.g. Dacia which is Romanian and therefore EU: https://shop.dacia.de/offer/257/235286/0/0 this is clearly neither an SUV, nor particularly expensive — even 18 years ago I was seeing things for about this price new, and there's been a lot of inflation since then.
(And then two more, Deutschlandradio and Deutsche Welle)
Brussels checkmated itself trying to maintain industrial power while appeasing its anti-nuke reactionaries.
Europe cedes sovereignty with gas. (Whether it buys from America or Russia isn’t structurally relevant. Militarily the distant and rich master is obviously preferable.) The answers are solar, wind and nuclear. Germany is singularly responsible for fucking up the last, and with its Russian gas appeasement, undermining the former.
Politicians ruining their countries.
> Germany could have kept the existing nuclear power in 2002 and possibly invest in new nuclear capacity. The analysis of these two alternatives shows that Germany could have reached its climate gas emission target by achieving a 73% cut in emissions on top of the achievements in 2022 and simultaneously cut the spending in half compared to Energiewende. Thus, Germany should have adopted an energy policy based on keeping and expanding nuclear power.
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/14786451.2024.2...
Germany had plans (before the Schroeder government laid the foundation for the whole nuclear shutdown) to build new and more nuclear reactors. After the initial buildup phase from 1970 to the late 1980s (latest in operation was Neckarwestheim 2 in 1989 not counting test reactors, only 9 years before Schroeder, not really a "long time"), most good sites had a reactor or maybe 2 or 3. The plan then was to plan for replacing the oldest ones and add a few more to existing sites, starting in the late 1990s when the first reactors start to approach an age of 30, to be replaced by their finished replacement reactor on the same site at 40 before 2010. Those plans included pebble bed reactors (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kernkraftwerk_THTR-300 unsuccessful due to technical problems), fast breeder reactors (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SNR-300 unsucessful due to green opposition) and improved PWRs (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EPR_(nuclear_reactor) co-developed with France, nowadays a few have come online).
The reason why nobody wanted to build them was green opposition. This started before Chernobyl, for example in opposing the Wackersdorf reprocessing plant https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wackersdorf_reprocessing_plant and blocking the refueling operations of existing plants. The green party never got past 10%, but mostly because the parties in government accepted their demands out of fear of strengthening them, because they needed them for a coalition, or because after Chernobyl saying anything positive about nuclear became political suicide. Misinformation was rampant, any German PWR was equated to a Chernobyl in waiting. Experts disagreed and were ignored by media and politicians, shouted down by the greens as industry minions wanting to poison us all.
The reactors shut down under Schroeder were quite profitable, but getting old enough that they would have been switched off soon anyways. Nuclear reactors become more and more profitable over time, because most of the cost is in the initial construction and the financing. After the building is paid off, running cost is quite low, fuel cost is negligible compared to personnel for example. But at some point, repairs, downtime and necessary improvements make it too costly after all. That's when the originally intended replacement should have started, but this was stopped by the Schroeder goverment and the Greens.
And while I don't know whether the Russian influence on and financing of green movements is true or not, it is logical. Russia never had any chance to export its nuclear technology to western countries. Western nuclear power plants were, at least since the 80s, safer and better. The only thing the west could have bought (and actually does still buy) from Russia is uranium. But that is by far a smaller export for Russia than oil and gas. And there are uranium reserves in many western countries, Canada, Australia, the US, Germany and the Czech republic do have large deposits that are only partially exploited, and many other (third-world) countries do have uranium mines and do export (which is why the west is buying there, it's just cheaper). So uranium isn't really a reliable or big business for Russia. Oil and Gas, however, are. And since oil and gas are high-volume goods, imports are far less flexible than uranium imports. Basically, if you want it cheap, you need a pipeline, which is the perfect leash for the Russians to hold. And lo and behold, Schroeder, while making plans to shut down all German nuclear power plants over time, planned to increase gas imports from Russia, which was upheld during the later Merkel years. Schroeder was, after his term, rewarded for this with a position at Russia's state gas producer Gazprom. So it would be in Russia's interest to reduce nuclear power use in Europe and get Europe dependent on their gas.
Btw. the meaning of "green" has changed. Back in the Schroeder days and before, green was largely pro-environment and anti-nuke. But CO₂ emissions and global warming weren't a huge topic. Open-pit coal mining and coal plants were opposed on grounds of landscape destruction, resettlement and pollution. But CO₂ was never the big topic that it is nowadays. Therefore, back in those days, even for the Greens, "clean" gas power plants were a viable replacement.
If anything, we need more economically liberal policies, because those actually do stimulate innovation and growth. Instead, leftists are completely focused on how they can extract even more money from the productive part of the population to give to the unproductive.
It's not that simple, it's never that simple...
It is quite the opposite of a liberal agenda. German policy is very illiberal in that it is heavy on bureaucracy, strict on regulations, and nowadays firmly stuck in a green-at-any-cost course. All that leads to high energy prices, sky-high barriers for industrial development and entrepreneurship and therefore high prices of german-produced goods.
What kind of liberal are you talking about though? The American version or the European one? They mean very different things.