67 pointsby nrjamesa day ago14 comments
  • xdfgh1112a day ago
    Abandoned for a new project. Kuzu is Japanese for unwanted/useless scraps or garbage, so I suppose it's still living up to its name.
  • nrjamesa day ago
    I've been excited about Kuzu DB as a SQLite-style graph database. It looks like the devs are moving on to something else and no longer will support it, as of 10 October.

    Their message reads, "Kuzu is working on something new! We will no longer be actively supporting KuzuDB. You can access the full archive of KuzuDB here: GitHub" https://github.com/kuzudb/kuzu

  • scosmana day ago
    Oh too bad. Small fast embedded graph DBs are rare. Any good alternatives?
  • adsharma21 hours ago
    • NewJazz21 hours ago
      Note that the repo mentions "some of our resources are moving from our website to GitHub: "Docs: http://kuzudb.github.io/docs, Blog: http://kuzudb.github.io/blog" but those links currently redirect to kuzudb.com. I presume they won't be covering the domain name costs in the future and that the transition is in-progress.
  • Ultimatt21 hours ago
    • dtenwolde5 hours ago
      Hi there, leading DuckPGQ developer here :) Thanks for the shoutout! I've been busy working on an internship at DuckDB labs so DuckPGQ has gotten less attention, but I'll get back to it soon (December most likely) and will update the extension to support DuckDB v1.4.0 and v1.4.1 this week hopefully.
    • adsharma21 hours ago
      PGQ requires you to write using SQL and read using a graph query language. GQL is a standalone language that supports reads/writes. But much of the community is still using cypher.

      More on this here:

      https://adsharma.github.io/beating-the-CAP-theorem-for-graph...

      • aftbit20 hours ago
        As far as I can tell, this has nothing to do with CAP theorem or distributed systems. It's just being used as an analogy.

        > [CAP theorem] states that any distributed storage system can provide only two of these three guarantees: Consistency, Availability and Partition safety.

        > In the realm of graph databases, we observe a similar “two out three” situation. You can either have scalable systems that are not fully open source or you can have open source systems designed for small graphs. Details below.

        (the article follows)

        > This is one solution to the CAP theorem for graphs. We can store a billion scale graph using this method in parquet files and use a free, cheap and open source solution to traverse them, perform joins without storage costs that are prohibitively high.

        • adsharma18 hours ago
          That's right - it was a fun 2 out of 3 analogy.

          The real question being raised in the blog post is - should the next generation graph databases pursue a local-only embedded strategy or build on top of object storage like many non-graph and vector embedded databases are doing.

          Specifically, DuckLake (using system catalog for metadata instead of JSON/YAML) is interesting. I became aware of Apache GraphAr (incubating) after writing the blog post. But it seems to be designed for data interchange between graph databases instead of designing for primary storage.

          • aftbit16 hours ago
            I only mentioned it because I clicked it wondering if someone had found a way to "cheat" CAP for graph databases. When I saw that it was being used as an analogy and not literally, I figured I'd comment.

            I still don't quite get the analogy. What are the 2 out of 3 that you can have? The second paragraph I quoted gives a classic 1 out of 2 dilemma - either scalable _or_ open-source.

            • adsharma13 hours ago
              DuckDB is scalable (can handle TPC-H 1TB) and open source, but doesn't support graphs natively. It supports some graph queries on a SQL native columnar storage.

              With the proposed solution, you'll be able to query larger graphs on an open source graph native engine. Thus beating the "CAP theorem for graphs".

    • jabr16 hours ago
      DuckPGQ is an interesting option, but unfortunately, that project hasn't been touched in a few months and does not currently work with the latest version of DuckDB.
      • dtenwolde5 hours ago
        Hi there, leading DuckPGQ developer here. I've been busy with other projects but will get back to it soon enough :)
  • redpinka day ago
    gitlab just announced knowledge graph with kuzu db. i wonder how it will turns out
  • mentalgear21 hours ago
    Strangely enough, it was just that day when I discovered this formidable embeddable graph database that the "archived" banner also appeared. Bummer. I wonder why they stopped as there was a long string of commits for years.
  • mark_l_watson21 hours ago
    I use the Python Kuzu graph database library, super convenient for local experiments. I see no reason to stop using it. The underlying database is archived on GitHub so it isn’t going anywhere.
    • adsharma20 hours ago
      One thing you might want to watch out for is that the storage format on disk is not stabilized.

      Last few releases, you couldn't open a file written by a previous version of kuzu. You had to constantly export/import as new versions were released.

      This is no longer a problem for kuzu because development has stopped. But any open source fork needs to think about how to stabilize storage.

      In the past few releases kuzu switched from database as a directory to a single file database.

  • lmeyerov19 hours ago
    Reposting:

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    Rough news on kuzu being archived - startups are hard and Semih + Prashanth did so much in ways I value!

    For those left in the lurch for compute-tier Apache Arrow-native graph queries for modern OSS ecosystems, GFQL [1] should be pretty fascinating, and hopefully less stress due to a sustainable governance model. Likewise, as an oss deeptech community, we add interesting new bits like the optional record-breaking GPU mode with NVIDIA Rapids [4].

    GFQL, the graph dataframe-native query language, is increasingly how Graphistry, Inc. and our community work with graphs at the compute tier. Whether the data comes from a tabular ETL pipeline, a file, SQL, nosql, or a graph storage DB, GFQL makes it easy to do on-the-fly graph transforms and queries at the compute tier at sub-second speeds for graphs anywhere from 100 edges to 1,000,000,000 [3]. Currently, we support arrow/pandas, and arrow / nvidia rapids as the main engine modes.

    While we're not marketing it much yet, GFQL is already used daily by every single Graphistry user behind-the-scenes, and directly by analysts & developers at banks, startups, etc around the world. We built it because we needed an OSS compute-tier graph solution for working with modern data systems that separate storage from compute. Likewise, data is a team sport, so it is used by folks on teams who have to rapidly wrangle graphs, whether for analysis, data science, ETL, visualization, or AI. Imagine an ETL pipeline or notebook flow or web app where data comes from files, elastic search, databricks, and neo4j, and you need to do more on-the-fly graph stuff with it.

    We started [4] building what became GFQL before Kuzu because it solves real architectural & graph productivity problems that have been challenging our team, our users, and the broader graph community for years now. Likewise, by going dataframe-native & GPU-mode from day 1, it's now a large part of how we approach GPU graph deep tech investments throughout our stack, and means it's a sustainably funded system. We are looking at bigger R&D and commercial support contracts with organizations needing to do subsecond billion+-scale with us so we can build even more, faster (hit me up if that's you!), but overall, most of our users are just like ourselves, and the day-to-day is wanting an easy OSS way to wrangle graphs in our apps & notebooks. As we continue to smooth it out (ex: we'll be adding a familiar Cypher syntax), we'll be writing about it a lot more.

    Links:

    * ReadTheDocs: SQL <> Cypher <> GFQL - https://pygraphistry.readthedocs.io/en/latest/gfql/translate...

    * pip install: https://pypi.org/project/graphistry/

    * 2025 keynote - OSS interactive billion-edge GFQL analytics on 1 gpu: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/graphistry_at-graph-the-plane...

    * 2022 blogpost w/ Ben Lorica first painting the vision: https://thedataexchange.media/the-graph-intelligence-stack/

  • OutOfHere19 hours ago
    If I can't trust their first project (KuzuDB), then why on earth would I trust any subsequent project by them? I won't.

    This is why I stick to SQLite or PostgreSQL when it comes to databases. An LLM can trivially write me the commonly necessary graph queries if I should need them.

    • jabr16 hours ago
      My best guess is the company was acqui-hired and will soon be working on implementing Kuzu's tech in a different database owned by the acquirer.

      My _hope_ is that it was some IP issue with the University of Waterloo and a new company will appear shortly and pretty much pick up where they left off, but that's probably just wishful thinking on my part.

    • SoftTalker19 hours ago
      Why does an MIT-licensed open source project owe you anything whatsoever?
      • rowanG0776 hours ago
        How did you interpret this person comment as about being owed anything? It's simply a fact of life that it's not smart to put your eggs into an unstable basket.
      • OutOfHere19 hours ago
        It's not about what is owed; it's about what can be trusted. The people behind Kuzu have shown that they cannot be trusted to be used.
  • ellisva day ago
    With property graphs being adopting in the SQL standard, this isn’t surprising.
    • gkorlanda day ago
      The fact that GQL is now supported by some of the relational Database, doesn't mean they'll become an alternative to native Graph Databases.
      • Xenoamorphousa day ago
        Yeah I guess it’s like saying that relational DBs supporting native JSON type meant the end of NoSQL DBs.
        • vovavili21 hours ago
          >relational DBs supporting native JSON type meant the end of NoSQL DBs

          This holds true for 95% of cases of well-made software.

        • monero-xmr21 hours ago
          It pretty much did except for very specific use cases
  • wey-gua day ago
    Yeah, so sad as a contributor and downstream user.

    Hopefully they will ship cool new things.

  • canadiantim20 hours ago
    Kuzudb was actively working on their cloud/enterprise solution and talking with people signing up for it. Wonder if the timing is related
  • badmonster20 hours ago
    kuzu is a great project.