DeepSeek says its hit AI model cost just $294k to train(www.reuters.com)

19 pointsby jonbaer5 months ago2 comments

PaulRobinson5 months ago
They made this claim in a peer reviewed paper submitted to Nature, but it’s not clear how peers could evaluate the truth of this claim.
If it’s true, and the consensus is that we are hitting limits of how to improve these models, the hypothesis that the entire market is in a bubble over-indexed on GPU costs [0] starts to look more credible.
At the very least, OpenAI and Anthropic look ridiculously inefficient. Mind you, given the numbers on the Oracle deal don’t add up, this is all starting to sound insane already.
[0] https://www.wheresyoured.at/the-haters-gui/
- fspeech5 months ago
  These numbers were easily supported by those who attempted to replicate the RL portion of their work. The foundational model training is harder to verify but is also not central to the paper.
onion2k5 months ago
Maybe, if you don't include the >$10m investment in H800 hardware. Still a lot cheaper than competitors though.
- 48terry5 months ago
  Yes, if we include a cost they didn't include, the cost would be different.
  - beaner_count5 months ago
    More like, if you exclude costs, things cost whatever you want to tell people they cost.
- jml7c55 months ago
  No, their calculation is based on a rental price of $2/hour.
  - yorwba5 months ago
    Right, but they didn't use rented GPUs, so it's a purely notional figure. It's an appropriate value for comparison to other single training runs (e.g. it tells you that turning DeepSeek-V3 into DeepSeek-R1 cost much less than training DeepSeek-V3 from scratch) but not for the entire budget of a company training LLMs.
    DeepSeek spent a large amount upfront to build a cluster that they can run lots of small experiments on over the course of several years. If you only focus on the successful ones, it looks like their costs are much lower than they were end-to-end.
    yunohn5 months ago
    No, they’re saying training a model, specifically DeepSeek, costs X using N hrs of Y GPU rental.
    yorwba5 months ago
    If by "they" you mean DeepSeek, they're not saying this, since you might not actually be able to rent a cluster of 512 H800s wired together with high-bandwidth interconnects at that GPU-hour price point. If you rent smaller groups of GPUs piecemeal in different locations and try to transfer weight updates between them over the internet, it'll kill your throughput.