139 pointsby baud1472585 hours ago7 comments
  • eleveriven3 minutes ago
    The way labor availability doesn't actually help most peasant families if they don't have land to use it on. And when land is locked up by Big Men or temples or aristocrats, the system traps excess labor in a way that looks inefficient, but is actually great for those doing the extracting
  • docsaintly4 hours ago
    This series will really make you examine social hierarchies, including the ones that exist today. They are no accident.
    • eleverivena minute ago
      You realize pretty quickly that hierarchies (then and now) are often deliberately constructed to funnel surplus upward, not just accidentally emergent
    • martin-t3 hours ago
      Today's social structures exist because they evolved through history and shifting incentives.

      I sometimes wonder if we could design a better system today taking today's knowledge of psychology (and psychopathology) into account and optimizing for values we have today like freedom, balance of power and equality of opportunity.

      • roenxi3 hours ago
        Yes, trivially. The tricky part is building a system that the median citizen (and the officers in the military) can verify has been optimised that way vs competing, poorly optimised systems that sound good. Factor in the median citizen has maybe a couple of hours to do research, isn't very principled and doesn't understand game theory well. Also consider that high status people are perfectly happy to set up an "expert" in any given field to spread propaganda favourable to them.

        The problem isn't setting up a great system, the problem is what happens when charismatic leaders and people like Stalin turn up.

        • kjkjadksj3 hours ago
          Banning campaigning would go a long way. The state already mails out voter information containing a little stump speech of each registered candidate at least for Californian elections. Further advertisement is purely propaganda and leads to establishment victories over merit and a genuinely attractive platform.
          • ch4s32 hours ago
            File this under Lies Engineers Believe About Political Science.
          • SpicyLemonZest3 hours ago
            Are stump speeches not propaganda? I don't see why the election system should privilege candidates whose political views are most compellingly expressed in quick little text blurbs.
          • roenxi3 hours ago
            > Banning campaigning would go a long way.

            With tongue in cheek, that qualifies you as the "people like Stalin" category. Not a good idea.

          • jahewson2 hours ago
            Being able to give a good speech is merit when the goal is to select a leader.
      • Terr_an hour ago
        > I sometimes wonder if we could design a better system today [...] optimizing for values we have today like freedom, balance of power and equality of opportunity.

        I think it's important to point out that some people... don't seem to share the same ground-assumptions, and it's forming a rather sharp divide in modern US politics.

        There's a model for analyzing "how could you think that" disagreements which I've found useful, from a (leftist) video essay:

        > See, when you talk to our conservative friend, you operate as though you have the same base assumptions [...]

        > Since we live with both of these frameworks [democratic egalitarianism, capitalist competitive sorting] in our minds, and most of the things we do in our day-to-day lives can be justified by either one, we don't often notice the contradiction between them, and it's easy to imagine whichever one tends to be our default is everyone else's default as well. [...]

        > Your conservative friend thinks you're naive for thinking the system even can be changed, and his is the charitable interpretation [...] Many conservatives assume liberals [...] know The Hierarchy is eternal, that there will always be people at the top and people at the bottom, so any claim towards making things equal must be a Trojan-horse for something that benefits them. [...]

        [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agzNANfNlTs

        • bongodongoboban hour ago
          Our current regime lies through their teeth daily. Like obvious, completely made up lies. Every. Day. It's not a misunderstanding. One side is pushing for authoritarianism, one is not. One can be negotiated with by voting, the other, violence. I'm so fuckin tired of pretending there is just some kind of misunderstanding between both "sides".
          • idle_zealot5 minutes ago
            No, the video makes the point that it's not really a misunderstanding, there are fundamentally different values in tension. If you believe in and value hierarchy then authoritarianism is natural and desirable, the lies are just for assuaging your less committed or more sensitive allies and befuddling your enemies.
  • racecar7894 hours ago
    It's a fitting title to describe life today for most people.
  • pessimizer2 hours ago
    When you get to the end, remember that's how many to most black people lived until very recently until they were expelled from the land with nothing, due to the rise of more efficient farming techniques. The very few who owned their own land were more slowly pushed out when they were denied farm loans. Black people owned about 15 million acres of land in 1910, now they own about 1 million.
  • martin-t3 hours ago
    I can recommend reading ACOUP to any technically minded person even if it's about history.

    I haven't had the time to read this series yet but I can recommend for example his articles about the industrial revolution, making of iron and steel or sieges in the Lord of the Rings compares to read world tactics.

    He has a knack for analyzing society from a systems level perspective and going into the right amount of depth for somebody who wants to understand the principles without having any background in history.

  • dmbche4 hours ago
    If you enjoy even a smidge of this, please look at other articles/series on their blog, ACOUP is absolutely phenomenal and I've not seen many writers (here also historian and tenured professor) both be so accessible and graspable while having a deep and nuanced understanding of the situation AND providing ample sources.

    10/10 couldn't recommend more.

    I believe the Sparta series is the most popular, but I really enjoyed the one on iron.

    • FearNotDaniel24 minutes ago
      > their blog

      _his_ blog. It’s all written by one man. But I agree that it’s a remarkable blog, so fascinating and freely given.

      While I’m in grumpy-old-man-shakes-fist-at-newfangled-grammar mode, I can _almost_ accept that people writing in the “historical present” is unavoidable these days since TV historians have made it so trendy, but it’s especially jarring when he changes tense in the middle of a sentence (emphasis mine):

      > These settlers _were_ remarkably well compensated, because part of what the Hellenistic kings _are_ trying to do is…

    • simgt14 minutes ago
      I've enjoyed Guns Germs and Steel by Jared Diamond recently. If you have read it, how does it compare?
    • mcmoor2 hours ago
      I found the one for Sparta too emotionally charged for my interest. But I really really endorse most of the other ones especially ones touching in economics and logistics of ancient world.

      (Btw he's not a tenured professor, much to his chagrin, he's an adjunct professor. This is exactly why he wrote A LOT about broken academia system too.)

      • dmbchean hour ago
        That's an oddly specific thing to point out
        • mcmooran hour ago
          It's just funny since his blog is the entire reason I learned about the difference of adjunct and tenured professor, and why a big problem in academia is that they tenure less and less and rely on lots of adjunct professors instead.
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