Palestine was the name of the entire region, not a country. It comprised of Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt, etc. You want to dismantle Israel? Then let’s dismantle all these other states that were formed at the same time from the ruins of the Ottoman Empire.
Israel murders as many Palestinians as it can get away with.
As for atrocities… who aims for maximum civilian casualties vs who aims to minimize them? Who has 20+ countries yet not a single Jew vs who has 2 million Muslims with equal rights?
There are things that have moved me to be more sympathetic to the Palestinian cause over the past few years and I think if you haven't listened to Ezra Klein talk about this you should. I think he holds the right balance of pointing out the horror of what Israel has done while holding the context of the horrors Palestine seems intent on doing if given power
The Jews who moved back to Israel did not have a greater claim to the region through ancestry than the people they pushed out and honestly I don't think it really would have mattered if they did.
Yes it is a bit of a religious war at times, but also imagine you were born in Palestine in the period of the british mandate. Your family likely lived in the region for thousands of years practicing more or less the same faith you did. You would have been forced out of your home in 1948. Your house would literally be given away as abandoned. If you happened to settle in East Jerusalem you might have been given a home in compensation. That home was originally some poor jewish families, but still somewhere to live, but then when Israel annexed the East Jerusalem they passed laws giving the property back to the original owners. Fine, but did you get your home back? No the law was structured explicitly so as not to apply to you. Maybe you were unlucky though and you resettled further into the interior of the west bank. Well then you might see extremist come into your community in the middle of the night and bulldoze your home. I'm not sure you need religion to end up radicalized in this situation. It isn't fair what Israel did to palestinians in the 40s and it isn't fair what they're doing now in the west bank and gaza. It also isn't fair what Arab countries have done to the jews, but the people who live in the west bank have now power over that
As to your second point, idk, it seems to me like probably the Arab side was more at fault several decades ago, but it is the documented goal of the current rulers of Israel to make sure that moderate forces in Palestine don’t come to power. They’ve done everything they can to delegitimize the Palestinian authority. Again if you were a Palestinian living in the West Bank what would you think. What has the peaceful strategy gotten you?
there are estimates of 100k - 300k migrants in 20s and 30s as border with jordan and egypt was unsupervised.
somewhat indirect confirmation of this, will be for example hamas minister of interior and security claiming that most of them have either egyptian or saudi origins: https://www.memri.org/tv/hamas-minister-interior-and-nationa...
a good chunk of actual palestinians are probably descendants of jews that got "culturally colonized" . but it's not known how much of them.
i looked in a past through a bunch of genetic studies that were made that establish that palestinians are genetically native/related to jews. what i didn't find is how they collected data and if they discarded data that was "inconvenient" for purpose of analysis
“We were here before and they are corrupting our land” is pretty much as common as it goes when it comes to reasons brandished to try to justify a genocide. The Nazi would be proud.
Anyway, given this first disgusting comment and your second post actively misrepresenting how Jewish people are treated in Arab countries and what’s currently happening in Gaza, I have little doubt that I’m talking with the void.
Arab countries did not ethnically cleanse Jews. That’s a complete fabrication.
You are defending genocide. I feel dirty talking to you. I’m going to stop for my sanity. I pity you to be frank.
This is just plainly wrong. Even if we ignore the various pogroms, asset seizures and other persecution (where one could perhaps argue that Jews weren't strictly required to leave), there were some pretty explicit expulsions of Jews as well, such as in Egypt in 1956.
99% of the planet has already learned enough of the truth (historical & current) to recognise your lie, as a lie.
I think at this stage an LLM might do a better hasbara job than humanoids...