5 pointsby vodou4 days ago6 comments
  • dapperdrake2 days ago
    The C standard library is hamstrung by undefined behaviour versus implementation defined behaviour. This kills all attempts at offering reliable overflow-checks.

    The biggest fulcrum is: Can developers also build a complete copy of the standard library or must you be a language implementor? This is what killed Elm. And both Java and Clojure survived. Even a tool like a debugger can be added to the hotspot VM by developers as opposed to just language implementors. Yes, there are many details, but it isn’t precluded on principle.

  • bruce5113 days ago
    I like to think of this as a analogy to biology. Consider this question in the context of say DNA. What DNA strands should be present in the "standard library".

    In practice there's no right answer to this - I mean sad library for plants? Animals? Fungi? The question quickly becomes meaningless because without a lot more context there's no right answer.

    In the scope of language - is this for embedded programs? Desktops? Phones? Is it for system components? Is it going to talk to hardware? Or networks? Is it headless or heavy UI? What OS is it running on? Is it for writing CRUD apps? Or games? Will it be used in space?

    Every context brings different trade offs. Different boundaries, different resources, different everything.

    Thus every answer to your question is both true for some places, and false in others.

    Thus variety in context is what leads us to the current situation- lots of options.

  • bjourne4 days ago
    Like Wikipedia tries to catalogue all useful knowledge in the world, a standard library should catalogue all useful modules in the world. The problem is that tools and community structures we have are not advanced enough to support that workflow yet. E.g., it's difficult to see how you could put PyTorch into Python's standard library and have all developers happy with that. But it would make a lot of "meta" issues easier, such as release management, consistent documentation, community relations, etc.
  • mikewarot4 days ago
    If you can possibly include the "magic" strings that Free Pascal has, you'll be light years ahead of just plain C strings. They're counted, reference counted, and copy on modify. You don't have to allocate/free them, and they can contain gigabytes of ASCII, Unicode, or Binary data.
  • rickcarlino4 days ago
    I love this question.

    HTTP server and related parsers (just a basic one), URL parsing and escaping, JSON, Socket handling, timers, interactive debugger, basic templating library, WebSocket client, SQLite.

    I think Ruby got it right in this regard and Bun comes close as a second place.

  • moomoo114 days ago
    Go has a nice std, and interfaces that make it easy to add on top instead of reinventing the wheel.

    I think as long as a language offers the basics (like streams, etc) it’s not that bad to build on top of it.