161 pointsby barry-cotter7 months ago29 comments
  • srvmshr7 months ago
    I have been to this place.

    It is limited viewing, requires a reservation & the slots run out practically in seconds. Tough for us residents to get it as well. My wife could snag it in her third try, as a late birthday trip last year.

    It is gargantuan & having massive holding capacity. To give semblance with something familiar, it was like standing in NY Grand Central station, except it was felt bigger, empty, damp & illuminated by floodlights from all sides. It is probably one and half football fields in length & scales high as much as a five storied building. Uploaded three pics to show the scale of this megalith. (The base of the pillars here are taller than average height of person to give a rough scale. The stairs come down from the ground level)

    https://i.imgur.com/Jtcy0Ct.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/8Q08eKS.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/y75sfGP.jpeg

    In addition to this underground chamber, there are two massive pumps on either sides, which divert the water from whichever river is surging to the other (Arakawa & Edogawa possibly). The chamber is the buffer zone between the rivers, not a storage tank ultimately. I was told by the civil engineer of this plant they could pump out as much as a jumbo jet's volume per minute in its storm surge channel/drain to manage flooding. You can walk up to the turbine room at the end of this room, and see its massive blades at an arm length. All with earthquake protection in place as well. Honestly mind-blowing piece of engineering.

    • bschwindHN7 months ago
      Weird, I visited last year and don't remember having a hard time getting tickets. Maybe I got lucky.

      Here are a couple photos I took with people for scale:

      https://imgur.com/a/DPYYou4

      • razkarcy7 months ago
        Thank you for these; they convey the relative proportion very well and have satiated my curiosity.
    • jonnybgood7 months ago
      I've also visited. It was a hot day when I went. As we descended, the coolness felt amazing, but there was this misty fog inside. Mixed with the dark dampness, I felt like I walked in to a Andrei Tarkovsky scene.
    • bencyoung7 months ago
      The Fens in East Anglia in the UK has a lot of interesting pumping tech. The latest can do 100m3/s (https://www.edie.net/st-germans-pumping-station-keeps-fens-f...). If all the pumps failed there would be hundreds of km2 underwater within days or weeks
      • Yeul7 months ago
        In WW2 the Dutch government had to ask the Allies not to bomb any power stations. If left to nature the entire country would disappear in weeks...
    • left-struck7 months ago
      > In addition to this underground chamber, there are two massive pumps on either sides, which divert the water from whichever river is surging to the other (Arakawa & Edogawa possibly).

      You probably mean pumping stations right? Usually single pumps don’t have that kind of flow rate. Just a nit pick though, your comment was really interesting!

      • srvmshr7 months ago
        I'm sorry, yes, two stations with huge pumps. They are like towers, but built from basement level downwards if that impression makes sense.
      • OneDeuxTriSeiGo7 months ago
        Yeah throughout the entire facility (several large chambers with large tunnels between them) there's something like eighty 10MW pumps to move water out of the chambers into the river.
    • userbinator7 months ago
      It must be the lighting and colouration, as your first two photos actually look like CGI or some sort of painted art.
      • skhr06807 months ago
        I had to dust off a useless memory, but it looks exactly like Doom2 Map06 with Quake2 lighting added by the source port Doom Legacy
    • oceanhaiyang7 months ago
      And you gotta speak decent Japanese or have someone with you who does in case of emergency!

      Those pictures look unreal!

      • ryao7 months ago
        The most important word to know is 逃げろ. If you hear it, you will likely see others start running, and you should run in the same direction.
        • dtgriscom7 months ago
          > 逃げろ "RUN!", correct?
          • skhr06807 months ago
            If you hear that, it’s too late for you, I’m afraid.

            It’s time to go when your guide says: “It’s inexcusable and I’m very sorry for the inconvenience, but the control room has informed me that we should make our way towards the emergency exit five minutes to the south west of the left of the 7-11. Thank you for your understanding and cooperation.”

    • BeFlatXIII7 months ago
      The one with the stairs could've been ripped straight from the original Half-Life. Makes me want to play it again. Thank you for the reminder.
      • lupusreal7 months ago
        My first thought was Akira, but it's almost the same thing; there are some parts of Half Life which are lifted almost directly from Akira, like the first diagonal elevator that headcrabs slide down.
      • progman327 months ago
        Dead ringer for the underground sections of Mirror's Edge.
    • whtrbt7 months ago
      I've also been (December 2024), I didn't realise it was so difficult to get reservations.

      It is an awesome space and surprisingly well lit.

    • rayiner7 months ago
      I love civil engineers.
    • tonyhart77 months ago
      are you japanese ??? or foreigner that marry local?
  • Aeolun7 months ago
    They’re making more too! We got a new underground tank underneath the park nearby that they’ve been working on for years.

    I guess it’s connected to this one, though I can’t find any information on that reservoir in specific.

    https://sushitech-startup.metro.tokyo.lg.jp/sightseeing-tour...

    It’s pretty relevant as my house is about 50m from that river.

  • gnabgib7 months ago
    (2018) Discussion at the time (127 points, 30 comments) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18570076

    There was also a good NYT article in 2017 (293 points, 210 comments) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15436943

  • realo7 months ago
    I have to mention here that 1,500 years ago the same was done in Istanbul:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basilica_Cistern

    • bobthepanda7 months ago
      Cisterns aren’t really the same thing; cisterns store drinking water for long term whereas these caverns are only supposed to hold water until the treatment plant can handle it.
    • yubblegum7 months ago
      It's in a James Bond film. Goes right under the Soviet embassy. /g
  • GrifMD7 months ago
    Mirror's Edge (2008) had a pretty neat level inspired by these storm drains https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IE3qooY0d_A
  • bastawhiz7 months ago
    It's not the same, but this is similar to Chicago's Deep Tunnel Project. There's a lot of fascinating reading on the project. If you're in the area, you can even get a tour of one of the stations:

    https://mwrd.org/locations/tarp-mainstream-pumping-station

  • femto7 months ago
    In a similar vein is the surge shaft being built as part of the Snowy 2.0 scheme in Australia. 28 metres diameter and 263 metres deep. It absorbs the momentum of the surge of water when the downstream power station closes its valves.

    https://www.snowyhydro.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/SH_...

    • cesarb7 months ago
      > In a similar vein is the surge shaft being built as part of the Snowy 2.0 scheme in Australia. [...] It absorbs the momentum of the surge of water when the downstream power station closes its valves.

      Not the same power station, but I have to post a link to one of my favorite YouTube videos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJVBlhgt9j8 (Obere Wasserschlosskammer).

      • femto7 months ago
        Impressive. I don't think I'd like to be the person on the walkway. No railings and he appears not to be attached in any way.
  • FigurativeVoid7 months ago
    Incredible.

    I sometimes forget that manga writers use very real locations as references. I believe this is the backdrop for several Tokyo Ghoul scenes.

    • cobalt7 months ago
      it was also in mirror's edge, and several other pieces of media
    • c-hendricks7 months ago
      The Host also uses a similar setting for a good portion of the movie (from what I remember)
  • otikik7 months ago
    Japan is a great place to visit if you are even slightly interested in infrastructure.

    The earthquakes make it so that what would be a simple overpass has all of this ... stuff that would not exist in a more geologically stable region.

    Culture and food were still my main motivations for visiting, but the infrastructure part came as a nice bonus.

  • tecleandor7 months ago
    There's is an official version in Minecraft, if you feel like visiting from home:

    https://www.ktr.mlit.go.jp/edogawa/edogawa01318.html

  • HPsquared7 months ago
    Those columns are holding up the ceiling, and all the earth above.
  • geraldmcboing7 months ago
    It has a fantastic reverb too! Would love to take a drum kit down there... and a speaker to play a sweep & capture an IR. Tried using handclaps when I visited.
  • socalgal27 months ago
    G-Cans is impressive but there's a lot more than this protecting Tokyo from floods. A 100yrs ago they build the Arakawa river for flood control

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3tdYolqiU8

    Also, the rivers around Tokyo all have giant flood areas (parks, golf courses, farms) they can open to hold water in an emergency.

  • BeFlatXIII7 months ago
    > “It’s like a science-fiction kind of facility,” says JICA’s Inaoka, whose job involves collaborating with experts from developing countries to share Japan’s expertise.

    My first thought upon seeing the photos was that this was the inspiration for many of the indoor levels in the original Half-Life. All that's missing are the headcrabs.

  • acyou7 months ago
    22 meters underground, built in 1950s, Tokyo, 5-7% of GDP - yeah the gigantic underground vaults serve as flood protection, to those who have a good understanding of Japanese history, it's understandable to believe these were rather primarily built as bomb and nuclear shelters.
    • hollerith7 months ago
      It would easy to tell: (unless they were occupied by only a handful of people) they would be useless as fallout shelters without a lot of ventilation, and you can't rely on the wind: you'd need big fans and ducts, and the fans would need to keep running after most of the electricity-generating capacity available in Tokyo is destroyed, i.e., this ventilation system would need its own hardened electricity supply.
      • bobthepanda7 months ago
        Also, using this as a shelter would have a pretty obvious downside if torrential rainstorms happened.
        • tharkun__7 months ago
          Never mind all the wasted space above peoples' heads. The picture further down has people walking. They're tiny.
  • aikinai7 months ago
    Can't believe no one has mentioned the Great Hall of Moria[0]. I always thought it was uncannily similar.

    [0] https://imgur.com/a/OHKifqj

  • PapstJL4U7 months ago
    Colour it green and you have a Mirrors Edge Level - this really looks like the underground part in the first game. The form of the stele as an example.

    I am sure other cities have it as well, but it really looks close to the level.

  • hinkley7 months ago
    The scale of this facility is deceptive in the video. If you pay attention about halfway through, a man walks through. His head only comes up almost to the top of the taper on the footings.
  • yason7 months ago
    If anyone has a link to a video (or time in a video) where this thing fills up, please share.
  • ykonstant7 months ago
    Even the word "cathedral" doesn't do justice to that structure.
  • ashoeafoot7 months ago
    Will it actually show up in real estate prices if the models say it wont?
  • Xss37 months ago
    Loved exploring the place in Mirrors Edge! Hauntingly beautiful.
  • Hnrobert427 months ago
    It's a shame there is no video of it filling up.
  • jollyllama7 months ago
    See also, from 3 days ago: "Yokohama manhole lid possibly blown off in 'air hammer phenomenon'"

    https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20250711_15/

  • srean7 months ago
    This cathedral is crying for a pipe organ
    • srean7 months ago
      I know it sounds like a pun, but I mean it seriously. The pipe organ and the 'vault' will do each other justice.
    • xeonmc7 months ago
      Or a hydraulophone
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  • ACV0017 months ago
    they should have called it parliament, not cathedral. BBC don't know the meaning of the word cathedral, or was this intentional to trigger some kind of reaction from religious groups.
    • beAbU7 months ago
      I've heard the term "Cathedral" used quite often to describe massive enclosed spaces, especially if the interior surface is stony or hard.

      It's a favourite in the caving community to describe very large, well, cathedrals in cave systems.