38 pointsby devgotha day ago17 comments
  • bruceba day ago
    App size: 990.2 KB I don't think I have seen an iOS app under 1mb ever. Wow!
    • dlachausse6 hours ago
      It’s possible to have small app sizes on iOS if you stick to the built in APIs and don’t use an excessive amount of media assets.

      Not to brag, but my app is 368 KB. Granted, it’s a very simple app.

      https://apps.apple.com/us/app/countdownula/id6479545149

      • ElCapitanMarkla4 hours ago
        Nice app, have you thought about adding widget support?
        • dlachausse4 hours ago
          Thanks! That and Apple Watch support are the biggest things I’d like to add in the future.
  • ekglimmera day ago
    I like this execution! I created something similar, www.pigeon.ooo, with the intent of eventually adding some scheduling functionality but alas, my own schedule has filled up so have not had a chance yet.
    • cAtte_a day ago
      beautiful domain name
      • teejmyaa day ago
        "Probably not used by anyone at these companies" got me, lol
  • thephybera day ago
    Nice.

    The one big thing that’s missing on the App Store page is a video in the first screenshot slot showing the value in iMessage. The other screenshots don’t matter much, only that they are the screens between the “let’s do a thing” message and “we are all available on Thursday evening” message.

  • AnonCa day ago
    What is the planned business model here? I see that this is published by an LLC and also that it doesn’t collect any data (the latter is great to know).

    On the app itself, I don’t understand why it allows selecting past dates in the current month (e.g., Why al I allowed to select May 1st?) I can understand allowing a day or so to account for time zone differences, but usually people across large time zones differences wouldn’t be the audience for this app since it doesn’t allow for availability by time of the day.

    • devgotha day ago
      im toying with the idea of maybe releasing more features in a premium upsell (one time $0.99 purchase or something like that). still ironing that out.

      i release ios apps under an LLC in hopes that one day an app will make money and i would rather that be associated with an LLC.

      good question on past dates! i will fix that :)

      • noahjk20 hours ago
        It would be neat if premium features could be attached to a group message without all contributors being required to purchase. Sort of like apples new events app which requires iCloud+ to schedule events but anyone can attend.

        Side note, your calendar is showing wrong dates if the user sets their main iOS calendar to start on Monday instead of Sunday - your day titles never shift to match the date table which is presumably supplied through iOS.

  • andrewfromxa day ago
    how does it look on someone's phone who doesn't have the app installed yet?
    • devgotha day ago
      heyo! so it will show the Whenish thumbnail in the chat when it is sent. when the user without Whenish clicks on it they will be routed to the app store to download Whenish.
      • awilla day ago
        I get it, but that's a hurdle for a lot of people. If someone is using this just once, they don't want to download an app. This feels like it will take convincing.
        • thephybera day ago
          Perhaps, but if one person in an iMessages thread has it installed, that user’s recommendation will go far towards installing.
      • andrewfromxa day ago
        oic. maybe add an ascii poll display until it's installed?
  • dimitry12a day ago
    > Whenish is an iMessage app

    Where can I read more about using iMessage as a medium for generic multi-player collaboration? Or if you can just share the right keywords, I will appreciate that!

  • tmpz22a day ago
    Looks compelling from the app store page! Because I might use it I have to ask - how do permission work around messages? I'd assume something like this:

    * Install App

    * App cannot passively READ messages

    * When I need to use the app, like in a group chat where we are spontaneously planning an event, I can invite it into the chat so that the group can input their preferences

    * Other group members (who may also need to install the app) can interact with the widget to submit their planning prefferences

    * Widget then WRITES results back to the chat

    Does it ever read my messages? Does it ever write messages to the chat? Does my entire group chat need to install it?

    Great work. Seems well targeted and that it could help a lot of folks.

    • devgotha day ago
      this app never reads any messages. the iMessage framework is very strict around privacy...so much so that you are unable to get user information of. This is why you will see Participate 1, 2, 3 instead of the person's name. There is no way to get this information of who the sender is! Kudos to apple for this.

      The only message that is written to the chat is when you hit submit. There is no external service as all information is stored as metadata on the message itself. I did not want to have an external server (which has its own challenges, see in another message around collisions).

      Your entire group can see the message but in order to interact with the poll they will need to download the app. They will be redirected to the app store if they do not have the app after clicking.

  • oh, this is cool. crossing my fingers apple buys you out for a fat payday (if that's something you want) cause this seems like a natural feature for imessage/ical!
  • mikehotela day ago
    Congrats on publishing!

    It seems like a very polished and better integrated version of https://www.when2meet.com/.

    You say you do not collect info. Are you saving the meeting details and availability in a database?

    • devgotha day ago
      there is no external server! all meeting information is stored as metadata on the message.

      this leads to some issues with potential collisions like if two people click the Whenish message at the same time and submit their message, there is no way to merge both that data. while this is an issue, i wanted to err on the side of privacy as much as possible and not rely on a server at all.

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  • isodeva day ago
    Does it work on Android? We have to be realistic, 2/3 of the group is not on iOS or using iMessage :)
    • smt88a day ago
      This isn't true in the US, where the vast majority of people (especially middle-class or wealthier) use iMessage as their primary messaging app.

      And no, of course this iOS/iMessage app doesn't work on Android.

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  • aaghaa day ago
    What happens to your friends on Android?
    • devgotha day ago
      alas this is focused on iOS and i do not have plans to port to Android for the moment :(
      • You should be aware of the social impact this makes. iMessage is already partitioning Android and iPhone users socially. These products just make it worse and will exclude people from social groupa even more. There's also that lower income individuals who can't afford an iPhone and use Android devices for cost related reasons would lose out on event planning.
    • dmitrygra day ago
      Given the amount of SMS spam and the lack of such on iMessage, I am, at this point, ready for iMessage-only life. The few friends I had who were not iPhone users, I gifted them iPhones. So far none switched back, and I get to ignore all non-iMessage incoming messages (and thus 100% of SMS spam)
      • daedalus_j10 hours ago
        Does iOS not have spam blocking in the SMS app? It all goes straight to the spam folder in Google Messages, haven't seen a spam SMS in years.
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    • dylan604a day ago
      friends don't let friends android??
  • frizlaba day ago
    Hey this looks interesting! Too bad I can’t download it. Why prevent France from downloading?
    • devgotha day ago
      let me take a look! iirc there was some compliance related documents Apple may have needed that freaked me out a bit? ill dig into it. apologies for this!
      • dylan604a day ago
        from a non-app developer, that's something I'd never even contemplated. I've only ever released websites, and I don't give a damn about compliance anything. I've spent time making something on my own, and now making it available for anyone else that comes across it to view. If the viewer lives in a country that has rules I'm never going to read, that's the viewer's problem. Luckily for the viewer, anything I make does not include any of the shit that has been attempted to be regulated. But if I did something offends those regulations, don't care.

        These related documents you speak really makes me not want to app. I'm glad there are braver people than me. The only thing I can offer is "fly low and avoid the radar"

        • dcrazya day ago
          You might have missed the hubbub about websites shutting down or banning UK visitors due to concerns about complying with the Online Safety Act.
          • dylan604a day ago
            If the UK wants to force nationwide firewall rules to block my little ol' website, then bob's their uncle. I don't care if some Limey bastard can or cannot view my website. I mean censorship sucks and all, but I'm not going out of my way to ensure that I learn every single country's specific rules and find a way to ensure I comply with all of them. I am not doing business by accepting money in exchange for something. If my website states something that offends someone else because I said that chips is a dumb name for a fry when a chip is clearly a different thing entirely, then they need to get over themselves. Also, you put stuff in the trunk of the car, and you wear a boot on your foot. <insert_thumbs_in_ears_and_give_sloppy_raspberry> If someone feels unsafe about that, then good luck doing anything to me in another country about it.

            Again, the main point is that I don't do shady shit that needs regulating. I don't use 3rd party libraries that hoover up data to be resold to anyone offering to buy. I roll my own JS to make something function. I write my own CSS to make it look "pretty". I know that nothing nefarious is happening because I didn't code anything nefarious to happen. My sites are about as lame as the people that think that regulations are going to solve anything

            • frizlab10 hours ago
              Whatever you do you need to comply with local regulations. Apple asking the documents straight up is actually _helpful_ because it’s stuff one HAVE TO DO anyways.
              • dylan6048 hours ago
                exactly. that doesn't "have to do" doesn't have to be done with a website. that's my point. reading about all of those forms that apple makes you fill out is just one more reason i don't app.
                • frizlab6 hours ago
                  Just because you don’t do it doesn’t mean you don’t have to!
                  • dylan6046 hours ago
                    That's similar to what I say about doing shady stuff that regulations are trying to protect against. I don't do them, so I'm not violating anything.

                    It's a pretty simple philosophy. Don't do shady shit.

                    • frizlaban hour ago
                      That’s not how the law works.
                      • dylan60432 minutes ago
                        Yes it is. If the law worked differently, nobody would be using scheduled substances as they are illegal. Nobody would go faster than posted limits because speeding is illegal. Nobody would jay walk. These are all illegal, and the law works just like it would for me posting a website that had no issues other than someone didn't like its contents.
      • devgotha day ago
        should be available in 24 hours...

        if anyone knows about this (i remember i saw a warning by Apple) please let me know!

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    • jp57a day ago
      I live in the US. The last time anyone messaged me in WhatsApp was six years ago when I was visiting Europe.
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    • jbma day ago
      Oh no, someone did a thing! I'd better demoralize him or her or else I'll be less of a human being.

      Op, congrats on your work.

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    • danga day ago
      You've broken both the Show HN guidelines (https://news.ycombinator.com/showhn.html) and the overall site guidelines (https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html) with this post.

      Can you please take more care about this, especially in Show HN threads, where people are sharing their work and discussion is particularly vulnerable? It shouldn't be hard to make a comment about barriers to adoption that doesn't come across as a putdown.

    • raframa day ago
      (a) iPhones don’t cost $2,000

      (b) Presumably this is meant for iMessage group chats where everyone is already, for better or worse, in Apple’s walled garden. Nobody is going to buy an iPhone just so they can use a Doodle clone with a nicer UI.

    • jaffa2a day ago
      Uh huh. You don’t buy an iphone to use this app. You use this app on an iphone you already have. I think his goal was to be able to organise meetings with his iPhone friends , not encourage mass iPhone adoption ownership.
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    • acedTrexa day ago
      By this logic every discord bot is also problematic
      • The thing is that Discord is much more multiplatform than iMessage. You don't have to pay for specialized Apple hardware to use Discord.