67 pointsby buzzmerchant7 hours ago8 comments
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  • sheepologan hour ago
    I was surprised at how closely your experience (and a commenter's experience) mirror my own. During my life, I've had a few periods of a few months where I focus intensely and work nonstop, and the work does not feel like effort at all. For me, it also comes with a sense of complete confidence, a feeling like I am fulfilling my purpose in life and that everything is exactly as it should be. It is the best sustained feeling I've ever experienced.

    Unfortunately I've only experienced this three times in my life; typically around major life events (once when starting a new job in a new industry, once when quitting that job to make my own stuff, and once in grade school: the summer between 10th and 11th grade, for some reason). I look forward to seeing more research, and hopefully one day can apply these learnings to manually trigger this intense focus and motivation.

  • buzzmerchant7 hours ago
    When i was younger, i had intense bouts of what psychologists call intrinsic motivation.

    As i get older, this happens less and less – which is a massive shame.

    I wanted to understand whether there was any good evidence as to what intrinsic motivation is and how i might be able to cultivate it in my adult life. To do this, i did a massive deep dive of the scientific literature surrounding intrinsic motivation. This is the outcome of that research.

  • javier_e0641 minutes ago
    Video gaming seem to be down this alley on the study of self-motiviation.

    Some games are made to burn time, like Thumper.

    Some games are made to burn you neurons like Baba is You.

    Minecraft has 2 modes. Creative and Zombie. Both equally powerful incentives.

    I try to keep the plasticity of my brain. Not to let it crust and crumble like Play Doh left outside the tub.

  • mettamagean hour ago
    Ah fun! SDT is one of my favorite theories that I'm still actively using to this day to get myself intrinsically motivated on something. I've thrown a lot of theories away due to the reproducibility crisis and similar things concerning psychology. SDT isn't one of them :)

    One of my other favorite theories is HEXACO. And personality does play into intrinsic motivation, to some extent.

    Disclaimer: I skimmed the article.

    Fun autonomy hacks:

    1. Reframe the narrative. For example, when I studied CS at school, I didn't study CS. I studied how to learn as fast as possible. I happened to have studied CS.

    2. Listen to Spotify to get into a solo task. I usually turn it down if I happen to get focused.

    Also a note: intrinsic motivation is tough when you're sleep deprived. I've had moments where I was motivated and sleep deprived but they often don't coincide.

    This is all to say that stuff like this go onto a fundamental layer of physical health. Something I dind't quite get when I was younger.

    • taerican hour ago
      I'm curious how you actively use it to build motivation?
      • mettamagean hour ago
        > I didn't study CS. I studied how to learn as fast as possible. I happened to have studied CS.

        That's an example

        As for the Spotify example. I just like listening to my playlists, every task becomes more chill. Also, I like working on a Mac more than a Windows laptop. I've had one company restricting my choice there to Windows. Me sort of hacking their company policies such that I could work on a Mac made me feel a lot better.

        • taeric19 minutes ago
          This feels like answering a different question? That is, I'm asking how you increase motivation. If you are saying to just reframe the task, I guess that makes sense? Did you find specific framings that work for you? Did you stay quantitative on it?
  • spiderfarmer2 hours ago
    I need to know how to dampen it. I can get truly obsessed with building things, to the point where I feel guilty for not working on it or thinking about it.
  • sameasiteverwas3 hours ago
    This is impressive and interesting, thank you for creating and sharing it.

    People with high intrinsic motivation and agency will rule the world of tomorrow, weilding AI to acheive their personal visions. Everyone else will be weilded by AI.

    • buzzmerchant2 hours ago
      Thanks very much!

      You may well be right. Interesting to think about the relationship between agency & intrinsic motivation...

  • bArrayan hour ago
    From an AI perspective, I have a rough idea of what intrinsic motivation means to me:

    To allow an embodied agent to perform actions within an environment that would generally be considered positive, without the definition of an objective function.

    To break that down, to be embodied in this case is to act, sense and have some internal model that can be adapted, all operating within an environment that can be considered external to the agent.

    An objective function is where there is some external push towards optimality that requires knowledge of the sensors, actuators, environment, etc. A good test for whether you accidentally baked in system knowledge is if you change the rules considerably and the agent will not operate.

    Whether or not an agent acts positively can itself be measured by an environment specific objective function. A properly operating intrinsically motivated agent may perform well on some metrics, i.e. long time lived, reduced search time, etc.

    Why do you want an intrinsically motivated agent? Almost all reward/objective functions are somewhat flawed, even if the problem is simple. I am reminded of a group training a robot to walk fast, measured by speed over time with a cut off. Simple enough? Well, they reviewed the trained agent and they immediately feel to the ground to be reset far away. In another test, the agents would purposely break the simulation environment, causing the agents to glitch and be launched far. One thing to note is that in each of those scenarios, the agent optimised for the reward, but made themselves "useless" after doing so.

    For AI I have found Empowerment an interesting solution to intrinsic motivation [1]. Essentially agents choose actions to "keep their options open", and try to avoid actions that would reduce the action state space. The actual environment itself is not encoded into the algorithm and the state spaces are arbitrary and could be replaced with any symbol. As a result, you can make large changes to the environment and use the same motivation algorithm.

    [1] https://arxiv.org/abs/1310.1863