54 pointsby aa_is_op2 days ago7 comments
  • ilovecurl2 days ago
    I wonder if there was a connection to the ongoing wrongful death lawsuit after a doctor suffered a fatal allergic reaction at a Disney World restaurant? That's the one where Disney tried to get her widower's lawsuit tossed by pointing to the fine print of a Disney+ trial he had signed up for years earlier.
    • add-sub-mul-div2 days ago
      They wouldn't be pointing to the fine print of a Disney+ trial if they had a murderer they could point to.
      • zardo2 days ago
        They would. Someone hacking their computers and causing a death doesn't necessarily absolve them of liability, while a waver of liability could do exactly that.
      • Enginerrrd2 days ago
        With all due respect that is just not how lawyers operate. They can and will use every argument within their constraints that can lead to a win. That's their job. They are even allowed to put forth arguments that are mutually exclusive and nonsensical when taken together.
        • dghlsakjg2 days ago
          Yea, but lawyers for the biggest corporations on earth also have to be aware of when their actions will cost in goodwill and publicity.

          Making a weak legal argument that is bound to highlight the heartlessness of a corporation that tries to be famously accommodating and friendly to guests is a move that should have been caught before the argument was filed.

          How much in goodwill and PR work did it cost them to make an argument that would have saved them maybe a million dollars in the unlikely event it worked.

          There’s a reason that corporations will often settle cases that they are legally in the right for, and cost benefit analyses are a huge part of that.

        • add-sub-mul-div2 days ago
          Very well, if there was a connection to a person who even potentially caused the death with mischief it would obviously be part of the story and in the headline, was the point.
        • SilasX2 days ago
          That's not true. They're obligated to make good faith arguments consistent with the legal profession's ethics code, that don't deliberately waste the court's time with rabbit holes, not just throw forth everything that might stick because they duped the right judge. (This came up IIRC when Trump's lawyers made such arguments to dispute the 2020 election results.)

          "Disney+'s terms of services categorically shields us from all legal liability" is not a good-faith argument, and, if accepted generally, would create a world no one seriously wants to live in, including those lawyers.

          This is especially true when Disney had an actually reasonable, good-faith argument in this case, that the law can't pass on liability for everything a restaurant does wrong, just because you recommend it, especially when the regulation and management of that restaurant is totally out of your control. This would create a horrible world where no one can make a recommendation without thereby becoming responsible for everything that goes wrong at that establishment later.

    • shadowgovt2 days ago
      Not directly. His changes were never seen by the public.
  • billy99k2 days ago
    They deserve more time. Changing food allergin warnings could have killed someone.
    • metalmana day ago
      I walked into this thread looking for an opening to rip a bit on disney. But WOW, food?, actualy weaponising food?, no, even a condemed man gets a last meal I'd get it if he had dug deap and found some dirt on disney's practices and suppliers, or done something like changed the menue's on the web site to say that the food contained fecal concentrate. But to mess with allergins......no....people with real food allergy's just die.....we lost one from our crew....likely a cross contamination....another one died on the farm kitty corner to mine, bee sting on open farm day, both young women, leaves a mark terrifying for the family's and friends of people with allergies to think that someone would actualy target them. hope the fucker is real sorry, and finds a way to make amends
  • derektank2 days ago
    >These intrusions included manipulating allergen information in restaurant menus to indicate that food items were safe for customers with certain allergies, when they were not. Scheuer also altered menu information related to wine regions to reflect locations of recent mass shootings. Additionally, Scheuer launched denial-of-service attacks designed to lock certain company employees out of their accounts.

    Endangering third parties in an effort to take revenge on your former employer is sociopath territory.

    • maronato2 days ago
      He wasn’t just endangering them; he was weaponizing them against Disney. His goal was for their deaths to become lawsuits and PR crises.
      • xyst2 days ago
        yea, to be honest guy deserves much more than 3 yrs.

        There are ways to kill a corporation without the need to use the same playbook as corporations (using others as pawns to get a point across).

        • ycombinatrix2 days ago
          So it is okay to use people as pawns if you are a corporation?
          • brutal_chaos_2 days ago
            I can see where you may get that idea, but I believe the point was supposed to be: just because it is done, it doesn't mean you can do it too. And that also doesn't mean it's ok for corporations to do it, they just have an easier time than the common person because our society runs and money and they have (much!) more of it.
    • esalman2 days ago
      Corporations are cybernetic entities devoid of human qualities.
      • tinix2 days ago
        what do you think cybernetic means?

        people have been misusing the term cybernetic for a while now, I've noticed...

      • tinix2 days ago
        what do you think cybernetic means?

        people have been misusing the term cybernetic for a while now, I've noticed...

    • 77pt772 days ago
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    • kayodelycaon2 days ago
      > Endangering third parties in an effort to take revenge on your former employer is sociopath territory.

      I don't think that really does. I think it's common human behavior to not think about the third parties you're actually endangering and only focusing on who you're trying to hurt.

      We don't like to think of ourselves that way but it's relatively easy to push buttons on a human and get them to do things we would regard as "sociopathic" with out the person themselves being a sociopath. See On Killing by Dave Grossman.

      • JumpCrisscross2 days ago
        > not think about the third parties you're actually endangering and only focusing on who you're trying to hurt

        Right. That’s sociopathic hate. Note that OP didn’t say psychopathic, which is something one is born with.

  • shadowgovt2 days ago
    I've been looking at the stories about this and one thing I haven't been able to find: how was he able to modify the data in Disney's system after they fired him? Stole someone else's credentials, left a back door they didn't catch, or did they fail to switch him off?
  • stainablesteel2 days ago
    what a wild situation, were their menus digital or did he edit a pdf in their database somewhere?
    • FinnKuhn2 days ago
      From what I can tell Disney has digital and printed menus. A prior article [1] offers more information on how he did it: "...has admitted to hacking into the company’s menu creation software" and "... formerly worked as the company’s Menu Production Manager...".

      I assume that the software probably controls all menus, both digital and printed.

      [1] https://databreaches.net/2025/01/13/former-disney-employee-a...

  • jerryseff2 days ago
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    • dcrazy2 days ago
      He removed allergy information. He was willing to harm or maybe even kill someone for the purpose of damaging Disney financially and reputationally.
      • jerryseff2 days ago
        In that case - yeah I guess at least 3yrs is suitable
  • acjohnson552 days ago
    3 years seems extreme. Drunk drivers mostly don't get jail time.
    • JumpCrisscross2 days ago
      Intent. Drunk drivers are being stupid and dangerous. This person was intentionally dangerous.
      • queenkjuul2 days ago
        Drunk driving is also intentional
        • DangitBobby2 days ago
          No. The intent of drunk driving is to get around. There is no malicious intent, just extreme negligence.
          • brigandish2 days ago
            Negligence, and recklessness, which is where I would place drunk driving, are both mens rea.

            https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_negligence

            • DangitBobby2 days ago
              We are discussing intent.
              • brigandisha day ago
                Mens rea is criminal intent, actus reus is criminal action. Without mens rea there is no crime (there being the exception of strict liability crimes, which do not apply here and would not involve intent at all anyway).

                From [1]:

                > It is generally agreed that the essential ingredients of any crime are (1) a voluntary act or omission (actus reus), accompanied by (2) a certain state of mind (mens rea).

                [1] https://www.britannica.com/topic/criminal-law/The-elements-o...

                • Doxina day ago
                  "Mens rea" is generally a lower bar than what "intent" means in common usage. Mens rea is refers to the intent to take a specific action. Intent in common usage refers to the intent to cause a specific outcome.

                  For drunk driving there definitely is mens rea. A drunk driver did intend to get in their car to drive. Whether or not they intended to create grave risk to life is up for debate.

                  • queenkjuulan hour ago
                    Getting into your car and driving while you're drunk IS creating grave risk to life.

                    I can't go shooting cans in my backyard and pretend I'm not risking my neighbors lives.

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    • xyst2 days ago
      I would normally agree but digging into the details of this incident:

      > Note that this allegedly vengeful former employee also risked public health and safety. By editing the menus to suggest that certain items were safe for people with peanut allergies when they weren’t, he risked people having life-threatening anaphylactic incidents. There is no allegation that anyone was actually harmed or injured, however, as Disney detected the alterations before menus could be sent out to restaurants

      https://databreaches.net/2024/10/30/fbi-investigated-disney-...

      • londons_explore2 days ago
        A drunk driver far more directly puts people at risk than a menu with incorrect allergen information.

        Fewer than 1% of allergy incidents result in death, which can't be said for drunk driver crashes.

        • rightbyte2 days ago
          What's up with all these strange analogies.

          This would be programming a machine to print "non-alcoholic" on alcoholic beer in such an analogy about drunk drivers.

    • techright75a day ago
      cant tell if you are a troll or a Luigi the murderer supporter.