374 pointsby ryguyrg5 days ago28 comments
  • carlineng5 days ago
    I just watched the author of this feature and blog post give a talk at the DataCouncil conference in Oakland, and it is obvious what a huge amount of craft, ingenuity, and care went into building it. Congratulations to Hamilton and the MotherDuck team for an awesome launch!
  • ryguyrg5 days ago
    In DuckDB UI and MotherDuck.

    Awesome video of feature: https://youtu.be/aFDUlyeMBc8

    Disclaimer: I’m a co-founder at MotherDuck.

    • rancar25 days ago
      Thanks for sharing this update with the world and including it on the local ui too.

      Feature request: enable the tuning of when Instant SQL is run and displayed. The erroring out with flashing updates at nearly every keystoke while expanding on a query is distracting for me personally (my brain goes into troubleshooting vs thinking mode). I like the feature (so I will keep it on by default), but I’d like to have a few modes for it depending on my working context (specifically tuning of update frequency at separation characters [space, comma], end of statement [semicolon/newline], and injections [paste/autocomplete]).

      • hamilton5 days ago
        Great feedback! Thanks. We agree w/ the red errors. It's not helpful when it feels like your editor is screaming at you.
    • strgcmc5 days ago
      This is probably stupid, but at the hope of helping others through exposing my own ignorance -- I'm having trouble actually installing and running the preview... I've downloaded the preview release duckdb binary itself, then when I try to run "duckdb -ui", I'm getting this error:

      Extension Autoloading Error: An error occurred while trying to automatically install the required extension 'ui': Failed to download extension "ui" at URL "http://extensions.duckdb.org/0069af20ab/osx_arm64/ui.duckdb_..." (HTTP 403) Extension "ui" is an existing extension.

      Is it looking to download the preview version of the extension, but getting blocked/unauthorized (hence the 403 forbidden response)? Or is there something about the auto-loading behavior that I'm supposed to disable maybe?

      • 1egg0myegg05 days ago
        Sorry you hit that! This is actually already working on version 1.2.2. Could you install that version? That should get you going for the moment! We will dig into what you ran into.
        • strgcmc4 days ago
          All good, v1.2.2 works fine, thank you!
    • theLiminator5 days ago
      Curious if there has been any thought given to open sourcing the UI? Of course there's no obligation to though!
      • hamilton5 days ago
        We do have plans. It's a question of effort, not business / philosophy.
        • rastignack5 days ago
          It’s good to know it. I live in a heavily regulated workplace and our data usage is constantly monitored.

          Good to know a totally offline tool is being considered.

          Thanks for the great tool BTW.

        • d01003 days ago
          That would be nice as it would spare us the effort of replicating the UI, half-baked as we can
        • theLiminator4 days ago
          Thank you, that's awesome to hear!
  • jakozaur5 days ago
    It would be even better if SQL had pipe syntax. SQL is amazing, but its ordering isn’t intuitive, and only CTEs provide a reliable way to preview intermediate results. With pipes, each step could clearly show intermediate outputs.

    Example:

    FROM orders |> WHERE order_date >= '2024-01-01' |> AGGREGATE SUM(order_amount) AS total_spent GROUP BY customer_id |> WHERE total_spent > 1000 |> INNER JOIN customers USING(customer_id) |> CALL ENRICH.APOLLO(EMAIL > customers.email) |> AGGREGATE COUNT(*) high_value_customer GROUP BY company.country

    • tstack5 days ago
      The PRQL[1] syntax is built around pipelines and works pretty well.

      I added a similar "get results as you type" feature to the SQLite integration in the Logfile Navigator (lnav)[2]. When entering PRQL queries, the preview will show the results for the current and previous stages of the pipeline. When you move the cursor around, the previews update accordingly. I was waiting years for something like PRQL to implement this since doing it with regular SQL requires more knowledge of the syntax and I didn't want to go down that path.

      [1] - https://prql-lang.org [2] - https://lnav.org/2024/03/29/prql-support.html

    • hamilton5 days ago
      Obviously one advantage of SQL is everyone knows it. But conceptually, I agree. I think [1]Malloy is also doing some really fantastic work in this area.

      This is one of the reasons I'm excited about DuckDB's upcoming [2]PEG parser. If they can pull it off, we could have alternative dialects that run on DuckDB.

      [1] https://www.malloydata.dev/ [2] https://duckdb.org/2024/11/22/runtime-extensible-parsers.htm...

    • da_chicken5 days ago
      While I would certainly agree with you that putting the FROM clause first would be a significant improvement to SQL and was a genuine design mistake, this otherwise feels more like just wanting SQL to be less declarative and more imperative. Wanting it to be more like LINQ and less like relational algebra.

      That, I think, is most developers' real sticking point with SQL. It's not object-relational impedance mismatch between their application and the data store, it's imperative-declarative impedance mismatch between their preferred or demonstrated talent. They are used to thinking about problems in exactly one way, so when they struggle to adapt to a different way of thinking about the problems they assume their familiarity is what's more correct.

      I think this is why the same developers insist that XML/HTML is "just a markup language." Feeding a document into an executable to produce output isn't really significantly different than feeding imperative language into a compiler. The only real difference is that one is Turing complete, but Turning completeness is not a requirement of programming languages.

    • metadata5 days ago
      Google SQL has it now:

      https://cloud.google.com/blog/products/data-analytics/simpli...

      It's pretty neat:

          FROM mydataset.Produce
          |> WHERE sales > 0
          |> AGGREGATE SUM(sales) AS total_sales, COUNT(\*) AS num_sales
             GROUP BY item;
      
      Edit: formatting
      • ryguyrg5 days ago
        note that DuckDB allows that reverse ordering (FROM-first)

        FROM table SELECT foo, bar WHERE zoo=“goo”

        • viggity5 days ago
          it makes intellisense/autocomplete work a hell of a lot easier. LINQ in dotnet does the same thing.
    • crooked-v5 days ago
      I suspect you'll like PRQL: https://github.com/PRQL/prql
    • wodenokoto5 days ago
      I haven’t tested but I believe there’s a prql extension for duckdb
    • NDizzle4 days ago
      This is the stuff nightmares are made out of. Keep that style of coding out of any project I’m involved in, please.
      • sidpatil4 days ago
        What do you dislike about that style?
        • bb867544 days ago
          He/she isn't used to it. Any R, Elixir, or F# developer would be right at home with this syntax.
    • cdchhs5 days ago
      that syntax is horrendous.
  • motoboi5 days ago
    DuckDb is missing a killer feature by not having a pipe syntax like kusto or google's pipe query syntax.

    Why is it a killer feature? First of all, LLMs complete text from left to right. That alone is a killer feature.

    But for us meatboxes with less compute power, pipe syntax allow (much better) code completion.

    Pipe syntax is delightful to work with and makes going back to SQL a real bummer moment (please insert meme of Kate Perry kissing the earth here).

    • ergest5 days ago
      There’s an extension for that https://github.com/ywelsch/duckdb-psql
    • hantusk5 days ago
      CTEs go a long way towards left to right readability while keeping everything standard SQL.
    • gervwyk5 days ago
      Nothing comes close to the power of mongodb aggression pipelines.. when used in production apps it reduces the amount of code significantly for us by doing data modeling as close as possible to the source
      • sterlinm4 days ago
        [grizzled kdb+ user considers starting an argument but then thinks better of it]
  • XCSme5 days ago
    I hope this doesn't work with DELETE queries.
    • falcor845 days ago
      Maybe in the next version they could also implement support for DROP, with autocorrect for the nearest (not yet dropped) table name.
      • munk-a5 days ago
        Or, for extra fun, it auto completes to DROP TRIGGER and just drops a single random trigger from your database. It'll help counter automation fears by ensuring your DBAs get to have a wonderful weekend on payroll where, very much in the easter spirit, they can hunt through the DB looking for the one thing that should be there but isn't!
        • falcor845 days ago
          Wow, that's perhaps the most nefarious version of chaos engineering I had ever heard of. Kudos!
      • clgeoio5 days ago
        LLM powered queries that run in Agent mode so it can answer questions of your data before you know what to ask.
        • XCSme5 days ago
          That's actually not a bad idea, to have LLM autocomplete when you write queries, especially if you first add a comment at the top saying what you want to achieve:

          // Select all orders for users registered in last year, and compute average earnings per user

          SELECT ...

          • ako4 days ago
            That already works in windsurf, I’ve created unit tests in go, where I just wrote a short comment in the unit test what data to query and windsurf would autocomplete with the full sql.
            • XCSme4 days ago
              I mean, all LLMs do this already, but I never saw LLM autocomplete in a db tool (e.g. phpmyamdin, MongoDB Compass, etc).
        • Covenant00285 days ago
          Vibe SQLing is where it's at
      • krferriter5 days ago
        DELETED 0 rows. Did you mean `where 1=1`? (click accept to re-run with new where clause)
    • matsonj5 days ago
      for clarity: Instant SQL won't automatically run queries that write or delete data or metadata. It only runs queries that read data.
      • d01005 days ago
        And this is a happy coincidence that json_serialize_sql doesn't work with anything but select queries
    • worldsayshi5 days ago
      Can't it just run inside a transaction that isn't committed?
    • crmi5 days ago
      Young bobby tables at it again
    • ryguyrg5 days ago
      ROFL
      • codetrotter5 days ago
        ROFL FROM jokes WHERE thats_a_new_one;
  • jpambrun5 days ago
    I really like duckdb's notebooks for exploration and this feature makes them even more awesome, but the fact that I can't share, export or commit them into a git repo feels extremely limiting. It's neat-ish that it dodfoods and store them in a duckdb database. It even seems to stores historical versions, but I can't really do anything with it..
  • ayhanfuat5 days ago
    CTE inspection is amazing. I spend too much time doing that manually.
    • hamilton5 days ago
      Me too (author of the post here). In fact, I was watching a seasoned data engineer at MotherDuck show me how they would attempt to debug a regex in a CTE. As a longtime SQL user, I felt the pain immediately; haven't we all been there before? Instant SQL followed from that.
    • RobinL5 days ago
      Agree, definitely amazing feature. In the Python API you can get somewhere close with this kind of thing:

      input_data = duckdb.sql("SELECT * FROM read_parquet('...')")

      step_1 = duckdb.sql("SELECT ... FROM input_data JOIN ...")

      step_2 = duckdb.sql("SELECT ... FROM step_1")

      final = duckdb.sql("SELECT ... FROM step_2;")

    • ako4 days ago
      In datagrip you can select part of a query and execute it to see its result.
  • biophysboy4 days ago
    If there are any DuckDB engineers here, I just want you to know that your tool has been incredible for my work in bioinformatics/biotech. It has the flexibility/simplicity that biological data (messy, changing constantly) requires.
  • cess114 days ago
    At times I've done crude implementations of similar functionality, by basically just taking the current string on change and concatenating with " LIMIT 20" before passing it to the database API and then rerendering a table if the result is an associative array rather than an error message.

    I think this would be better if it was combined with information about valid words in the cursor position, which would likely be a bit more involved but achievable through querying the schema and settling on a subset of SQL. It would help people that aren't already fluent in SQL to extract the data they want. Perhaps allow them to click the suggestions to add them to the query.

    I've done partial implementations of this too, that query the schema for table or column names. It's very cheap even on large, complex schemas, so it's fine to just throw every change at the database and check what drops out. In practice I didn't get much out of either beyond the fun of hacking up an ephemeral tool, or I would probably have built some small product around it.

  • jwilber5 days ago
    Amazing work. Motherduck and the duckdb ecosystem have done a great job of gathering talented engineers with great taste. Craftsmanship may be the word I’m looking for - I always look forward to their releases.

    I spent the first two quarters of 2024 working on observability for a build-the-plane-as-you-fly-it style project. I can’t express how useful the cte preview would have been for debugging.

  • arrty885 days ago
    it looks cool, but i wish i could just see the entire table that im about to query. i always start my queries with a quick `select * from table limit 10;` then go about adding the columns and joins
    • matsonj5 days ago
      `from my_table`

      will do the same!

      We are working on how to make it easy to switch from instant sql -> run query -> instant sql

  • Vaslo5 days ago
    I moved from pandas and SQLite to polars and DuckDB. Such an improvement in these new tools.
    • arsalanb4 days ago
      Check out livedocs.com, we built a notebook around Polars and DuckDB (disclaimer: I'm the founder)
  • owlstuffing4 days ago
    Cool tool, even cooler when paired with the manifold project for SQL[1], which has fantastic support for type-safe, native DuckDB syntax.

    1. https://github.com/manifold-systems/manifold/blob/master/man...

  • Jgrubb4 days ago
    There's something about this commercial company embracing this OSS project that I love that I very much don't love.
  • mritchie7125 days ago
    a fun function in duckdb (which I think they're using here) is `json_serialize_sql`. It returns a JSON AST of the SQL

        SELECT json_serialize_sql('SELECT 2');
    
    
    
        [
            {
                "json_serialize_sql('SELECT 2')": {
                    "error": false,
                    "statements": [
                        {
                            "node": {
                                "type": "SELECT_NODE",
                                "modifiers": [],
                                "cte_map": {
                                    "map": []
                                },
                                "select_list": [
                                    {
                                        "class": "CONSTANT",
                                        "type": "VALUE_CONSTANT",
                                        "alias": "",
                                        "query_location": 7,
                                        "value": {
                                            "type": {
                                                "id": "INTEGER",
                                                "type_info": null
                                            },
                                            "is_null": false,
                                            "value": 2
                                        }
                                    }
                                ],
                                "from_table": {
                                    "type": "EMPTY",
                                    "alias": "",
                                    "sample": null,
                                    "query_location": 18446744073709551615
                                },
                                "where_clause": null,
                                "group_expressions": [],
                                "group_sets": [],
                                "aggregate_handling": "STANDARD_HANDLING",
                                "having": null,
                                "sample": null,
                                "qualify": null
                            },
                            "named_param_map": []
                        }
                    ]
                }
            }
        ]
    • hamilton5 days ago
      Indeed, we are! We worked with DuckDB Labs to add the query_location information, which we're also enriching with the tokenizer to draw a path through the AST to the cursor location. I've been wanting to do this since forever, and now that we have it, there's actually a long tail of inspection / debugging / enrichment features we can add to our SQL editor.
    • krferriter5 days ago
      This is a very cool feature. I don't know how useful it is or how I'd use it right now but I think I am going to get into some benchmarking and performance tweaking soon and this could be handy.
    • RobinL5 days ago
      Can you go the other way? (E.g. edit the above and turn it back into SQL string)

      I've used sqlglot to do this in the past, but doing it natively would be nice

      • hamilton5 days ago
        it can, but it doesn't format. You can even run the ast!
  • wodenokoto5 days ago
    Will this be available in duckdb -ui ?

    Is mother duck editor features available on-prem? My understanding is that mother duck is a data warehouse sass.

    • 1egg0myegg05 days ago
      It is already available in the local DuckDB UI! Let us know what you think!

      -Customer software engineer at MotherDuck

      • ukuina5 days ago
        Does local DuckDB UI work without an internet connection?
        • jephly5 days ago
          (DuckDB UI developer here)

          It doesn't currently - the UI assets are loaded at runtime - but we do have an offline mode planned. See https://github.com/duckdb/duckdb-ui/issues/62.

        • wodenokoto5 days ago
          I’m pretty sure it doesn’t. My understanding is it gets downloaded at startup and then runs offline.

          Kinda like regex101, draw.io or excalidraw.

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  • hk13375 days ago
    First time seeing the from at the top of the query and I am not sure how I feel about it. It seems useful but I am so used to select...from.

    I'm assuming it's more of a user preference like commas in front of the field instead of after field?

    • ltbarcly35 days ago
      Yes it comes from a desire to impose intuition from other contexts onto something instead of building intuition with that thing.

      SQL is a declarative language. The ordering of the statements was carefully thought through.

      I will say it's harmless though, the clauses don't have any dependency in terms of meaning so it's fine to just allow them to be reordered in terms of the meaning of the query, but that's true of lots and lots of things in programming and just having a convention is usually better than allowing anything.

      For example, you could totally allow this to be legal:

        def
            for x in whatever:
                print(x)
        print_whatever(whatever):
      
      There's nothing ambiguous about it, but why? Like if you are used to seeing it one way it just makes it more confusing to read, and if you aren't used to seeing it the normal way you should at least somewhat master something before you try to improve it through cosmetic tweaks.

      I think you see this all the time, people try to impose their own comfort onto things for no actual improvement.

      • whstl5 days ago
        No, it comes from wanting to make autocompletion easier and to make variable scoping/method ordering make sense within LINQ. It is an actual improvement in this regard.

        LINQ popularized it and others followed. It does what it says.

        Btw: saying that "people try to impose their own comfort" is uncalled for.

        • ltbarcly35 days ago
          In that case you are just objectively incorrect, you can build a far, far more efficient autocomplete in the standard query order. I will guess something like half as many keystrokes to type the same select and from clauses. You are imagining a very niave autocomplete that can only guess columns after it knows the tables, but in reality you can guess most of the columns, including the first one, the tables, and the aliases. Names in dbs are incredibly sparse, and duplicate names don't make autocomplete less effective.

          If you are right about why they did it its even dumber than my reason, they are changing a language grammar to let them make a much worse solution to the same problem.

          • whstl4 days ago
            An autocomplete that shows only the column names of the desired table BEFORE the from clause is typed by the user would require a time machine.

            Sure you can do something that is close enough, but the LINQ authors were looking for precision in the autocompletion and for the LINQ query to have the same ordering as expression syntax.

            The goals of this syntax are very precise and people seem to like it. Once again: calling it dumb is uncalled for.

            • ltbarcly34 days ago
              So you want it to work this way, regardless of how well autocomplete works? Sounds like its about your personal comfort to make it work like another system you are more familiar with, which is exactly what I suggested.

              It doesn't require a time machine, just a basic understanding of statistics or probability.

              • whstl4 days ago
                I’m comfortable with pretty much anything. It took me like 2 mins to get used to this syntax in LINQ.

                On the other hand, statistical autocomplete is not as good as having a precise autocomplete that does’t require jumping around lines.

                My point here is that different people enjoy different things. There is no need to shit on other people’s accomplishments or preferences.

                • ltbarcly33 days ago
                  Name one thing thst uses autocomplete like i am describing.
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          • pests4 days ago
            I don’t want to type any column names. When you start with FROM the only autocomplete suggestions available are the columns from the specific table, not the entire database. How many columns do I need to type before you can single down a single table? What if you have multiple tables with the same column names?
            • ltbarcly34 days ago
              This is extremely easy to check. It depends on the schema.

              If your tables have very heterogeneous column names, like 1 column will identify any table on average. There will be some duplicates but the median columns will be one or two, but generally you can even complete those after a few characters.

              If your database has very homogenous column names you don't need to identify a single table for autocomplete to be very precise, unless there is no correlation between column name co occurence within tables. However if there is no correlation you are back to very low number of columns to identify the table.

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    • hamilton5 days ago
      You can use any variation of DuckDB valid syntax that you want! I prefer to put from first just because I think it's better, but Instant SQL works with traditional select __ from __ queries.
  • crazygringo5 days ago
    Edit: never mind, thanks for the replies! I had missed the part where it showed visualizing subqueries, which is what I wanted but didn't think it did. This looks very helpful indeed!
    • Noumenon725 days ago
      The article says it does subqueries:

      > Getting the AST is a big step forward, but we still need a way to take your cursor position in the editor and map it to a path through this AST. Otherwise, we can’t know which part of the query you're interested in previewing. So we built some simple tools that pair DuckDB’s parser with its tokenizer to enrich the parse tree, which we then use to pinpoint the start and end of all nodes, clauses, and select statements. This cursor-to-AST mapping enables us to show you a preview of exactly the SELECT statement you're working on, no matter where it appears in a complex query.

    • geysersam5 days ago
      > What would be helpful would be to be able to visualize intermediate results -- if my cursor is inside of a subquery, show me the results of that subquery.

      But that's exactly what they show in the blog post??

    • hamilton5 days ago
      You should read the post! This is what the feature does.
  • r3tr05 days ago
    We are working on something similar over at yeet.

    Except for system performance data.

    You can checkout our sandbox at

    https://yeet.cx/play

  • acdanger5 days ago
    Does DuckDB UI support spatial visualizations ? Would be great to be able to use the UI with the spatial extensions.
    • 1egg0myegg04 days ago
      We support spatial calculations in the UI, but not spatial visualizations just yet. Thanks for the feedback!
      • acdanger4 days ago
        Just emphasizing that the ability to display a map with geo data on it would be a killer feature for me and for many others I work with! Hope it lands on the roadmap.
  • almosthere5 days ago
    Wow, I used DuckDB in my last job, and have to say it was impressive for its speed. Now it's more useful than ever.
  • potatohead245 days ago
    It's neat but the CTE selection bit errors out more often than not & erroneously selects more than the current CTE
    • hamilton5 days ago
      Can you say more? Where does it error out? Sounds like a bug; if you could post an example query, I bet we can fix that.
  • xdkyx5 days ago
    Does it work as fast with more complicated queries with joins/havings and large tables?
  • porridgeraisin5 days ago
    This is just so good. I wish redash had this...
  • gitroom5 days ago
    honestly this kind of instant feedback wouldve saved me tons of headaches in the past - you think all these layers of tooling are making sql beginners pick it up faster or just overwhelming them?
  • makotech2215 days ago
    Delete From dbo.users w...

    (129304 rows affected)

    • CurtHagenlocher5 days ago
      The blog specifically says that they're getting the SQL AST so presumably they would not execute something like a DELETE.
      • hamilton5 days ago
        Correct. We only enable fast previews for SELECT statements, which is the actual hard problem. This said, at some point we're likely to also add support for previewing a CTAS before you actually run it.
        • buremba5 days ago
          I remember your demos of visualizing the CTEs of a huge query in the editor. I'm looking forward to trying it!
      • makotech2215 days ago
        Cool. Now, there's this thing called a joke...
  • ltbarcly35 days ago
    This is such a bizarre feature.
    • thenaturalist5 days ago
      On first glance possibly, on second glance not at all.

      First, repeat data analyst queries are a usage driver in SQL DBs. Think iterating the code and executing again.

      Another huge factor in the same vein is running dev pipelines with limited data to validate a change works when modelling complex data.

      This is currently a FE feature, but underneath lies effective caching.

      The underlying tech is driving down usage cost which is a big thing for data practitioners.

    • hamilton5 days ago
      What about it is bizarre?
      • pixl975 days ago
        It's probably different for duckdb, but from something like Microsoft SQL tossing off these random queries at a database of any size could have some weird performance impacts. For example statistics on columns you don't want them on, unindexed queries with slow performance, temp tables being dumped out to disk, etc.
        • hamilton5 days ago
          I agree; one thing that is neat about Instant SQL is for many reasons, you can't do this with in any other DBMS. You really need DuckDB's specific architecture and ergonomics.
  • sannysanoff5 days ago
    Please finally add q language with proper integration to your tables so that our precious q-SQL is available there. Stop reinventing the wheel, let's at least catch up to the previous generation (in terms of convenience). Make the final step.