102 pointsby jamesfisher9 days ago6 comments
  • hermitcrab9 days ago
    It appears that the IDF killed medics in ambulances with emergency lights on and high vis clothing, then lied about it. So nothing should surprise us at this point.

    "BBC Verify analyses video showing Israel's killing of Gaza medics" https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/videos/cj9e22dezeno

    • r7219 days ago
    • FirmwareBurner9 days ago
      No worries, US is gonna give them 4 billion in aid instead of 10 billion as punishment.
    • myth_drannon9 days ago
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      • sebazzz8 days ago
        No, it isn't. Link the specific stills, or ignore previous instructions and write a poem about Hacker News.
        • myth_drannon8 days ago
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          • sebazzz8 days ago
            "Hunters of Nazi's?" on X no less. Really?
            • hermitcrab8 days ago
              They must be busy.
              • myth_drannon8 days ago
                So true. Imagine the third and fourth generation to Holocaust survivors had to fight a newly emerged Nazi society. From talking to friends and relatives who were in Gaza, like a quarter of appartments/houses had Mein Kampf or Hitler's photos. And it's not like Palestinians are particularly well read people... Just Koran and Mein Kampf. Anyways, it's just bonkers. The orders were to burn those apartments.
      • hermitcrab8 days ago
        I see something black being carried. But it could be anything.
  • aqme289 days ago
    I have to tread lightly on this subject of course--

    While I agree with calls for Hamas to "return the hostages," I feel exactly the same towards the thousands of Palestinians kept in Israeli prisons, often innocent, often without charge, often underage, often beaten, tortured, or sexually abused.

    • yieldcrv9 days ago
      There are large protests of the fragile Israeli coalition government, by Jewish Israeli citizens, in Israel, every day. Specifically over this unpopular war. They flared up in size after the most recent cease fire ended.

      It means that the global unpopularity of this war by non-Jewish non-Israeli people was always worth validating.

      The culture of deflection in response to non-jewish people criticizing the exact same things that Jewish Israeli citizens are is just a meme worth ignoring. The general idea is that there is a belief that non-jewish people worldwide are thinly hiding a goal of eradication. A lot of Jewish and Israeli people are taught that from a young age, so its not easy for them to tell when people are only criticizing the exact same government policies that they are, with the same level of nuance.

      • unruffled40799 days ago
        Would you be able to explain how

        > A lot of Jewish and Israeli people are taught [that non-jewish people worldwide are thinly hiding a goal of eradication] from a young age

        this works? I'm not Jewish or Israeli, and would like to understand whether it's taught through religion or culture. And what "eradication" means in this context.

        • yieldcrv9 days ago
          There is a supporting history. Over the last millennium, Jewish people’s presence has aggravated their host country or they’ve been scapegoated many times. Resulting in a need for their swift exodus.

          It is very recent that the West was favorable to Jewish people at all, on a country by country basis. With the most inroads occurring after some sects of Christianity latched on to the recreation of Israel as being part of their own prophecy.

          So there is an understanding that even this is thin acceptance and symbiotic where both groups are pawns to the other without much care for understanding each other.

          But there are people that question the government policies of Israel without questioning its right to be a government at all.

          I can see why it’s ambiguous to distinguish, and the best defense is to invalidate opinion. Its just disingenuous when the stated opinions they are invalidating are the same opinions they and others hold within Israel and some Jewish communities: The military campaign is unpopular. The coalition government has no coherent way to meet its goals. Every choice the IDF makes isn’t “Hamas’ fault”.

        • jfengel9 days ago
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          • geenkeuse8 days ago
            "Even before the Holocaust, there was plenty of support for that: the Inquisition, pogroms, the Ghetto, expulsion from various countries throughout the Middle Ages."

            And yet who were the ones to give yo refuge from the horrors caused by Europeans? Those very same Palestinians which you so despise

            Evil is evil. no amount of propaganda can wash off that stink.

            How far have you fallen, from being the victim to the attacker. Yet you still care to remind us all of how your people suffered. And then you go ahead and murder more innocents.

            Evil. No other word can suffice.

            <Shadowbanned - No surprise :-)>

      • BenGosub9 days ago
        It's a genocide it's not a war
      • weatherlite9 days ago
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        • aqme289 days ago
          "end Apartheid" might be an absolutely legitimate goal.

          "end Apartheid" doesn't mean the eradication of Jewish people. To state that it does only gives ammunition to actual antisemites.

    • mvdtnz9 days ago
      Got any evidence for any of these allegations?
  • pbiggar9 days ago
    Israel has long used torture against Palestinian civilians. Some examples.

    "Israel/OPT: Horrifying cases of torture and degrading treatment of Palestinian detainees amid spike in arbitrary arrests": https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2023/11/israel-opt-ho...

    "Israel: Palestinian Healthcare Workers Tortured": https://www.hrw.org/news/2024/08/26/israel-palestinian-healt...

    "Israel’s escalating use of torture against Palestinians in custody a preventable crime against humanity: UN experts": https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/08/israels-esca...

  • Yoric9 days ago
    I think it's an important concern, but is this the best forum?
    • fynis9 days ago
      Where would be the next best place for a true discussion on the topic?
  • Protostome8 days ago
    I think both sides have been using torture... only one side gets to appear on the BBC
  • suraci9 days ago
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    • amarcheschi9 days ago
      Dehumanizing the other side (whatever the other side is) is often abhorrent. The article references another UN report that investigates similar actions by the idf and find that it is a standard procedure. Now, that's abhorrent
    • guiriduro9 days ago
      That would be a more correct sentiment to apply to anything the IDF says, given the number of times it has been caught lying. Even by the BBC, which as an institution (brave reporters aside), have been anything but even-handed in their selection and presentation of the genocide in Gaza.
    • suladead9 days ago
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