exactly. This is why it doesn't make much sense to setup a US shop as it will be for US market only. The product produced in a US shop would still cost even for domestic market at least like "imported plus tariff" and with no ability to export it. There is a reason Russian cars are complete crap and aren't exported. That reason is called tariffs.
1. Parts would still have to be imported. So each part will have tariffs added.
2. Some parts are sourced from China and would therefore face even higher tariffs.
3. Spinning up a final assembly in the US is expensive.
Given the current instability and chaos, starting a multi year project of spinning up a final assembly in the US is a risky move.
What if the tariffs are gone in 4 years? Now you have an expensive final assembly in the US that can't compete with the one in Taiwan anymore.
If the US decided that the 20-year priority was to be great at manufacturing then sure, it could probably get back to being world-class at this, but there's a reason why countries typically progress out of being manufacturing economies into being service economies – it's just a worse business to be in.
Shenzen, Dongguan, Guangzhou - ie. the Pearl River Delta, population 86 million, that somebody called a largest factory on Earth. I see no way to beat that "factory" in any manufacturing game (the first thing in manufacturing is scale). I think we were just lucky that that factory has been working for us basically "at cost" (and very low cost at that). All good things come to an end though.
You can't beat that with any amount of automation.
Plus someone has to design that stuff, you have a hiring pool of literal millions of people in China from which to pick the best fit to design your physical widget.
Like it can just be done?
> Or do their sales not warrant that kind of investment?
It's not so simple. That's the equivalent of other countries thinking they can just spin up a "silicon valley" outside the US. Sales or not it doesn't work like that.
Same applies whether it’s farms or even clouds.
You downplay and make it sound easy. It’s all great in theory and to talk about it.
Imagine if everyone moved assembly to the US. The demand would skyrocket salaries and other costs with supplying not keeping up and then you’d be paying even more than the tariffs itself.
https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/news/6068073
Not sure how many jobs that translates to. Their assembly lines are incredibly automated, so many of them require advanced degrees will pay well. There’s probably also some manual assembly work too.
They did too in Wisconsin in 2017. /s
Let’s see when it actually happens.
They're halting the low tier laptops, so it's probably where they don't have enough margin to keep a competitive price.
This fractured landscape isn't better - same message on x:
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43616389 (10 points)
Additionally, I was thinking about purchasing a Framework Desktop to use as a server for my business. (I’d like to use LLMs but due to the sensitive nature of my customer’s data I would strongly prefer doing so locally.) I guess I’d have to send it to my GF and then smuggle it into the US in my carry on.
Nintendo is facing the same thing. Nintendo had tried to avoid Trump's first term tariffs in 2019 by spending a ton of money moving Switch production to Vietnam only for Vietnam to get hit massive 46% tariffs this week:
https://www.designdevelopmenttoday.com/industries/manufactur...
Increase price and pass cost of tariffs down to consumer
Add to that, consumers were already price sensitive on Nintendo, they've never been a "good value" situation.
They already raised the price quite a lot for the Switch 2 (compared to the first console) and people were already complaining about the prices BEFORE you had to slap an extra $200 per console and $20 per game for a "Americans didn't pay attention to 6th grade" tax.
This is really going to hurt the console market, like, in general.
Widget Pro 2: $1000 + Republican Tariff $460
Oh and don't personify Trump in these tariffs, always refer to them as the "Republican Administration Tariffs" so the rank and file senators can't hide behind "but it was Trump".
They are enabling this crap.
Cost has increased as China itself domestically has matured (both as a consumer and the manufacturing side).
Even China itself has moved some to e.g. Vietnam.
Don’t have massive production in China if you want to sell in the US. The writing has been on the wall for this for almost 20 years. Even Obama was talking about it in 2007-08.
How does this help? Everyone has already tried shifting to Vietnam, India, etc only to be hit by tariffs anyway.
I’m not sure the US would be winning after crashing all the tech companies…
Not clear that works at this scale, though.
I wonder what is worse with the current USA administration? The policy itself (e.g. blanket tariffs) or unpredictability of their actions.
Will tariffs for country X in a week will be higher or lower? Will they be paused/cancelled? Nobody knows - even Trump and his cronnies don’t know.
Should I build a factory within USA, which will take 2 years to build and 10years to reach profitability in this political uncertainty?