137 pointsby daviducolo3 months ago10 comments
  • thunder-blue-33 months ago
    It's been about 15 years since I've worked with RoR, but my favorite aspect of ruby was and will always be the library names. Shout out to factory_girl which I found out this morning was unforunately renamed to factory_bot
    • wutwutwat3 months ago
      chronic and cocaine
      • wutwutwat3 months ago
        Thanks for the downvotes! I named two ruby gems (made by the founders of GitHub btw) because they were always funny to me. Please downvote me some more!
  • Stwerner3 months ago
    Wow, cool to see this make it on to HN!

    Author here, happy to answer any questions about this or chat about the ideas behind it :)

    • ianbicking3 months ago
      I love that this is more art piece than serious software... more like offering someone an expedition than a product.

      (Though I'm not sure I'll get on the expedition, I am a little worried about sandboxing and setup and getting distracted...)

      If I was to start the expedition, I'd probably try to overshoot by describing a site that I could not myself fully imagine, or using attributes that lacked a single meaning. Like, "the artist's interactive portfolio, as though the artist is looking over your shoulder, the artist keeping a carefully neutral expression while seething inside." Then I'd probably continue, imagining just the outline of some site that satisfies some unarticulated desire, putzing around as I see a concrete articulation of that idea, as much reforming the idea in my head in response to those results to an equal degree that I am articulating the idea in more detail.

      • Stwerner3 months ago
        Ahh I absolutely love this idea of trying to infuse more emotional and fuzzy attributes to see what the LLM comes up with!

        When I broke out the layout and style components I was thinking of being able to change the whole site aesthetic from something like "standard b2b" to "geocities fan page", but I'm excited to try getting fuzzier with the descriptions!

  • bnchrch3 months ago
    While “silly” this is likely the next paradigm/abstraction for intent based pages.

    You can imagine given 1,000,000 page views just how many experiments could be run. Basically our A/B tests start to resemble natural evolution and survival of the fittest more than decision trees.

    However, something feels like it’s missing. I wonder what’s still yet to be built before we arrive at that future.

    • Stwerner3 months ago
      Yeah, totally agree that something related to this will likely be the next paradigm. I've been putting together experiments in different directions trying to find that thing that's missing but haven't really found a killer use case yet to pull it all together.

      That's a really cool idea that once you can get something somewhat reliably consistent generated, you can kind of let your A/B tests start to run themselves with just rough guidelines on what you're trying to optimize for...

    • dartos3 months ago
      I think that’d make for interesting experiments and fringe sites, I don’t really see like your average e-commerce site ever doing anything like that.

      You’d want the A and B to be intentional, not automatically generated. Every VP thinks their idea for a feature will revolutionize the company.

      • theflyinghorse3 months ago
        > Every VP thinks their idea for a feature will revolutionize the company.

        Now imagine that everyone of them is given a tool that could get them an POC quickly. I think a lot VPs are about to figure out that their ideas are shit.

        • ljm3 months ago
          This pre-supposes that said VPs have the self-awareness to realise their ideas are shit.
    • cyanydeez3 months ago
      yeah, sorry, I don't want optimal dark patterns.

      We got enough of that atm.

      • bnchrch3 months ago
        Yeah unfortunately the world doesn't care about what we "want" only what it can make us do.
    • weego3 months ago
      Well, you missed the bit where ad and marketing networks get involved and corrupt it into some god-awful granular targeting system.
  • dunefox3 months ago
    I don't know if I would use a framework named after something that's by nature unreliable, or even devious.
    • lgas3 months ago
      It's literally a nod to the fact that the framework may give you something close to what you want but off in some way. It's pretty much the perfect name for what it is.
    • ThrowawayR23 months ago
      It's only an issue if you get a copy by cURL-ing it, dohohoho.
    • latexr3 months ago
      It’s clearly on purpose. The tagline on the page is “Be careful what you wish for...”
    • sethammons3 months ago
      My very first thought was similar, followed by recalling a ruby whitespace issue that treated the non-space-whitespace as an undefined function. That was harder to debug than it should have been.

      Instead, after reading the page, it is LLM generated pages where "you get what you ask for," hallucinations and all. Fantastic name.

  • blonky3 months ago
    This reminds me of something _why the lucky stiff would create.
    • blaix3 months ago
      I was thinking the same thing. The impact _why left on ruby is one of the things that make it such a unique language with interesting and weird projects like this. I love it.
  • jollyjerry3 months ago
    > Natural language as source code: Your intention becomes the program

    Reminds me of Cucumber testing framework

    • eterps3 months ago
      Interestingly, Cucumber (with its Gherkin syntax) works quite well for detailed and structured prompting to LLMs.
      • sethammons3 months ago
        I have always hated Gherkin because the extra layer of language expression / abstraction is superficial, and PMs can't write any ol' thing that makes sense, it has to be supported by the parser.

        But LLMs can make sense of any ol' thing, so, and it shocks me to admit such, maybe Gherkin is back on the menu.

  • siva73 months ago
    At least this is the end of the js framework of the week. We developers deliberated ourselves from software development. Hell. We made our own jobs redundant. How stupid and genius at the same time can a profession be
  • 9999000009993 months ago
    I imagine the perfect programing language would have 3 levels.

    1.LLM "code" , this should work for most basic use cases. Should be so basic any random person can create a CRUD app.

    2. Scripting, something like Python. This should handle 95% of use cases.

    3. Systems programing. Zig, Rust, etc. For when you need extremely specific performance requirements to be met.

    My dream language would integrate all three of these in the same stack, ideally the same project would be a mix of all three ( most of the time a mix of the first two).

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  • siliconc0w3 months ago
    I also created an experiment for this, giving the AI an ability to write/read from a database so you could build full CRUD apps.

    It works somewhat but even with the smaller/faster models it's very slow and even with the big models it is pretty unreliable. Long term I can definitely imagine this will get more viable and maybe become a complement to the 'chat' interface with most SaaS apps essentially being replaced with a AI in front of system or systems of record.

  • Alifatisk3 months ago
    This is it folks, we have finally reached peak of webdev