34 pointsby JumpCrisscross10 months ago3 comments
  • apothegm10 months ago
    Better cats in a place where you get food than mice and rats, which are the alternative.
  • moralestapia10 months ago
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    • JumpCrisscross10 months ago
      > Pet friendly food places violate the law

      Huh. It would seem that the FDA lacks jurisdiction to micromanage commercial affairs on private property among the states in this manner.

      If someone knows a restaurant or bar owner—ideally who own their land and are in a red state—who was fined or otherwise damaged by the feds for letting pets on their premises, please reach out. Would love to sponsor a test case.

      • kowabungalow10 months ago
        You seeem pretty confused about what the US is(was?).

        The CDC has a program that works with local departments in relation to local laws, maybe you can get things like this cancelled so Mexico and and Canada can finally share a border.

        https://www.cdc.gov/restaurant-food-safety/php/investigation...

        • JumpCrisscross10 months ago
          > CDC has a program that works with local departments in relation to local laws

          That’s not the problematic code [1].

          [1] https://www.fda.gov/food/fda-food-code/summary-changes-2022-...

          • kowabungalow10 months ago
            "The model Food Code is neither federal law nor federal regulation and is not preemptive."
            • JumpCrisscross10 months ago
              It’s directly incorporated into state and local law. I’m arguing that deserves a challenge. It de facto sidesteps state and local lawmakers, whom I’m not convinced have the power to delegate their lawmaking power this way.
              • kowabungalow10 months ago
                They usually have a corporate employee write the law but a federal code that has been researched is the problem?
                • JumpCrisscross10 months ago
                  > usually have a corporate employee write the law but a federal code that has been researched is the problem?

                  One, everyone running away with conspiracy theories is probably the singular problem in American politics today.

                  But two, I have no problem with the code in general. But I don’t like this section of it and now suspect it isn’t legally constructed. So yes, it’s a problem.

                  • kowabungalow10 months ago
                    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Legislative_Exchange_...

                    Everyone is not running away with theories. Journalists are documenting facts about the actual conspiracies while internet trolls are making up the separate but equal viewpoint.

                    • JumpCrisscross10 months ago
                      > Everyone is not running away with theories

                      ALEC is one among many interest groups, all of which tend to exert pressure on both states and federal regulators.

                      > while internet trolls are making up the separate but equal viewpoint

                      You’re promulgating a false dichotomy between federal rulemaking and corrupt state lawmaking. L

                      • kowabungalow10 months ago
                        Federal agencies suggesting easy to enact laws that should be affected by both parties is a strange bogeyman to have when you actually have private companies dictating legislation with a BS cash as speech argument and federal storm troopers illegally acting within the jurisdiction of states. Why are the republicans so afraid of agencies with no teeth and all for federal agencies that could really illegally enter their state and kidnap them?

                        (I think this is the end of the thread so I will answer you question here.. You have always had perfectly reasonable local options if the FDA code has something you disagree with, because everything is a partnership with your local government, you have absolutely no power to stop a group like the CBP from illegal road stops in your state because your State would have to start succeeding. Therefore, I find the republican claims of priorities as hypocritical as democrats given indifference appearing where it would matter if the priorities were real.)

                        • JumpCrisscross10 months ago
                          > Why are the republicans so afraid of agencies with no teeth and all for federal agencies that could really illegally enter their state and kidnap them?

                          What does this have to do with pets in restaurants?!

      • moralestapia10 months ago
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        • kasey_junk10 months ago
          One of the alternatives in the US, especially for issues regarding laws that infringe on rights, is to have a court adjudicate if the law is allowed.

          You almost always need to break that law to get that to happen.

        • JumpCrisscross10 months ago
          > If you think "I mostly follow the law except for this one rule I don't like" you didn't get it, you are just not a civilized person

          You’re really calling the likes of Rosa Parks uncivilised [1]?

          If the law is illegal or wrong, there is no higher calling than getting it overturned. There are two ways to do that in America: through the legislature and through the courts. To access the latter, you need a violation. (There is technically a third: not enforcing it. But that actually is a breakdown in the rule of law.)

          [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosa_Parks

        • 8note10 months ago
          the law includes punishments because its expected and designed in that the law is broken.

          there are wve past that, laws about how the law can be written, where they cant contreve more important laws like constitutions.

          the most impactful way to challenge illegal laws is to not follow them, and the court process afterwards figures out invalidating that law

          however, nreaking bad laws also brings attention to them so that legislative changes can be made.

        • precommunicator10 months ago
          So you never drove your car at 1mph over the speed limit?
          • moralestapia10 months ago
            I don't drive a car.

            But on the spirit of a good conversation (see @dang, I'm behaving :)) to your point of whether I have ever broke the law or not ... most likely yes, but not consciously.

            Many times I have refrained from doing things for the sole reason that it would be unlawful, even though I disagree with it.

            There's a big difference between that and choosing to consciously break the law for a menial pleasure.

            Edit: So weird to be on the hot pan for defending the rule of law, lmao. What a terrible status quo.

            • precommunicator10 months ago
              I guess learning about every single law in every single situation would be this one thing that's "sure they're not easy and they take time" but:

              Quoting from the swedish driver education book[1].

              > It is not desirable to have 100% adherence to the rules. According to the criteria for a category B licence, you must display “good judgement when interacting with other road users”. A reasonable interpretation of this statement is that you may depart from the rules in some cases.

              I feel the same can be said about many other situations.

              - [1] https://korkortonline.se/en/theory/learning-maturity/

            • JumpCrisscross10 months ago
              > weird to be on the hot pan for defending the rule of law

              You’re confusing lawbreaking/lawlessness with the rule of law [1].

              [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rule_of_law

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    • exe3410 months ago
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        • anon700010 months ago
          Use a different restaurant? Are allergies a protected class for discrimination? If being in the same vicinity as a dog is too much, I guess taking a dog for a walk should be illegal too. And anything that produces pollen for that matter.

          I’m also not aware of any pet-friendly bars or restaurants that have dogs regularly climbing on top of eating tables. I’m aware of a few which allow a dog on the floor somewhere

      • Amezarak10 months ago
        It’s not about empathy, it’s about stopping the spread of disease and parasites. This was a hard-fought battle we won decades ago, but apparently we’re re-litigating, no different than vaccines or pasteurization.
        • metalman10 months ago
          There was a hard won battle? there was most defintly not, but itcs worth a try, so lets start with exterminating rats, mice, cockroaches. And then providing a minimum standard of care and funding for the millions of poor, unhealthy, disease carrying humans. And then worry too much about the dumb fucking cats, which as you might be able to discern, do not have my sympathy, but I am coward enough, not to mess with the legions of cat lovers......,..but did get down voted for the following Rat?, Bat!, Splat!, how bout that.
  • 01HNNWZ0MV43FF10 months ago
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    • vhguru10 months ago
      There’s medicine for that.