76 pointsby JumpCrisscrossa day ago15 comments
  • jasodea day ago
    >As objects, paper tickets serve as proof of past lives long after their brief utility as proof of payment. I sat with my accidental time capsule for more than an hour, doing what my teenage self had probably hoped I might: linking each one to a buried memory as best I could. [...] But most of the tickets I’d bought myself, in person and almost always with cash, at box offices or the Ticketmaster counter at the local grocery store. They looked like they’d been printed on a machine even older and more obsolete than the “Ticketmaster counter” as a concept. You don’t need to be a techno-pessimist to acknowledge that digital tickets, for all their advantages in transferability and traceability, don’t serve this long-tail purpose.

    I did the exact opposite. I hung onto a bunch of paper TicketMaster stubs for decades because I was indecisive about throwing them away or hanging on to them. The "sentimental baggage" surrounding those tickets distorted my thinking and attached too much importance too them.

    And then I read about de-cluttering your life advice from minimalists and learned of a good hack that worked for me: Just take photos of your mementos and then throw them away.

    That was the psychological breakthrough I needed. I digitally scanned all my old Ticketmaster stubs as *.tif files and then threw them out. I also had a bunch of useless novelty coffee mugs (free gifts from trade shows or past employers). I just took digital photographs of each mug and then gave them away at Goodwill. Preserving them digitally helped me let go of the physical objects. Everyone once in a while, I might revisit my digital scans of the concert tickets on my computer monitor and that's good enough for me.

    Reading passages like hers reminds me that that some people need those physical mementos and some don't. In a similar vein, a lot of people like physical media like DVDs and CDs. In contrast, I got rid of my entire physical library of thousands of discs. I don't miss the space they took up at all.

    • linebecka day ago
      I think it's highly dependent on the significance of the memento. I have physical credentials I received for a major athletic event I competed in, and never in my life would I consider taking a picture of them and throwing them away.

      It doesn't sound like you were all that attached to the coffee mugs to begin with, in which case digitizing them was a good move.

      I'd imagine this is part of the reason why my parents still keep my terrible first grade art pieces framed on their desks.

    • ghaffa day ago
      Yeah, I tend to hold onto physical theater programs and the like. And I look at them maybe once in forever and maybe bore guests with them from time to time. The theater I have a season ticket with stopped printing programs and that's actually just fine. I still save the one sheet flyers they send out but I don't actually care about the bios of the actors, etc.

      My main issue with electronic tickets and the like is I really prefer to have a relatively robust set of records when traveling. I have broken a phone on a trip and the only reason it wasn't that big a deal was that I had paper info about my itinerary etc.

    • psunavy0321 hours ago
      Depending on the quality of your audio equipment, some disks (Blu-Rays mainly) are a better experience audio-wise than streaming. So there is a point to some physical media beyond sentimentality, at least until streaming services up their audio game.

      And I don't even consider myself an audiophile or feel a need to get snobby about it; it's just when I watched a movie on UHD Blu-Ray as opposed to streaming, I went "wow, you can really notice the sound quality."

      • kjkjadksj21 hours ago
        Also black levels that aren’t compressed to shit
    • nsxwolfa day ago
      I did this with a couple hundred big box MS-DOS games around 2002.
    • TZubiria day ago
      same.

      Something that also works for me is compressing.

      Either by filtering: Of a bag of 100 tickets, or hard drives, keep the most important one.

      Or reduction: Of a whole page of math doodles, cut everything except the most important part.

  • hombre_fatala day ago
    I have nothing physical to show for the memories I made playing online games with friends. Almost none of the forums I used to post on exist anymore. I have nothing to show for nearly everything I did in life.

    But when my old friends and I are together, we still laugh about stories we tell about Halo 2 and the gaming we did together back then. The same way we still tell stories about that weird kid in 2nd grade and the trips we went on.

    Isn't that where the memories exist, and isn't that what that matters?

    I think what matters is fulfillment. That is the axe which splits how you should and shouldn't spend your time.

    That said, I sheepishly only read the AI blurb at the top.

    • yard2010a day ago
      Exactly this is why projects like The Web Archive are vital to our wellbeing! I can relive 2005 by checking "what's new" in the forum I used to live in at that time.
    • kjkjadksj21 hours ago
      Very rarely do people have any lasting thing from their youth even before electronic life. You’d have to be an early prodigy perhaps a writer or musician.
  • scosmana day ago
    > Because our phones are pulling from a huge, contextless pool

    There is so much context in your camera roll. So so much. Not all of it is understood yet, but it’s finally getting good.

    > The physical archives we amass in drawers or old shoe boxes aren’t free from the threat of bad memories or meaninglessness

    But they are oh so incomplete. You can dig through your shoebox of ticket stubs once an every few years at most - anymore and they stop losing that charm.

    > But mostly our phones are full of stuff that doesn’t matter

    They are also full of stuff you didn’t know would matter at the time but now does. One off moments of how you kid used to carry his stuffed animal in his mouth when he crawled. Architecture details of an old house you had forgotten. A photo of you an a close friend meeting the first time. These often spark sharing, then real connection with others in your life.

    Sure - put your ticket stubs in a shoebox. But you aren’t losing anything by having your memories in your phone. You have the potential to gain so much.

    • dehrmanna day ago
      > They are also full of stuff you didn’t know would matter at the time but now does.

      I can't seem to find it, but there was a Hacker News post a few months ago about how to take photos you'll actually want to look at in a decade. Unstaged, ad-hoc, slice-of-life photos are the sort to take and keep.

      • creer19 hours ago
        Yes and this is one part I feel I still dont do enough. The phone (and associated deep storage) allow pics of all kinds of documents and pics to replace physical mementos. But we are still used to the idea of items that are somehow significant - which represent a trip or a day. And now we have space for more unscripted stuff. Someone was pointing out that there is no documentation of all their time spent in games. But there could be. There is now plenty enough space to retain some images, screenshots, videos. what's not here yet is some automation in us creating these records.
      • scosman19 hours ago
        Do that.

        Also: set up a widget on your home screen that shows a bunch of random old photos. You won’t “find them”, you want them to find you. There will be misses but the hits will be worth it. Apple’s is decent (disclaimer: I made it). I like even more randomness as well so a complete shuffle is fun.

  • JKCalhouna day ago
    • rukshna day ago
      Traveling in Italy and the domain is blocked with a warning it’s serving adult content
  • vacuitya day ago
    Having accidentally lost lots of digital stuff many times, I have a mindset of not storing much, and closing anything I'm not storing quickly, and failing that, accepting that I won't miss it too much if it's gone. So I still depend on some things being stored reliably. It takes curation to decide whether I want to really keep something or risk losing it when I may want it later. This is one area where LLMs could be very helpful as a way of dealing with massive amounts of data that a human normally wouldn't sift through, though data reliability is still up in the air.
  • tim33318 hours ago
    I kind of find the opposite effect. My record in physical artifacts is very patchy - they get thrown out or I can't find them. But since using gmail and google photos, everything from around 2005 is preserved and searchable. I need to back it up though! Just looking it's 30,356 photos and 78,390 emails which would be a job to deal with in paper form.
  • nottorpa day ago
    What's with those "AI takeaways" boxes at the top of the article?

    They don't need to keep the eyeballs reading for as long as possible any more?

    • evboguea day ago
      It's an exploit so the LLMs can bypass the paywall.
      • nottorp3 hours ago
        It seemed to be part of the site. Put there by Bloomberg.
  • instagiba day ago
    I saw a celebrity film his large family gathering with a 360 camera and this reminds me about it.

    It might be interesting to watch the jokes, interactions, and people you don’t see every day. Current implementation is a google device changing photos every minute.

  • ghssds15 hours ago
    I used to regularly go to cinema and I kept the tickets in an envelope. A few years later, all the tickets were white.
  • kelseyfroga day ago
    What do we lose when our stories exists in books. Amanda Mill is the Socrates of the digital era.
  • TZubiria day ago
    Crazy that an article with this title be posted at Bloomberg and be paywalled.
  • Jotaleaa day ago
    I've said this already but I'll repeat: articles that are locked behind a paywall, they simply suck. They take away my intention of reading the article.
  • locallosta day ago
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thamus_(mythical_King_of_Egy...

    > Thamus was a mythical Pharaoh of Upper Egypt, and appears in Plato's dialogue Phaedrus. According to the story told by Socrates in that dialogue, King Thamus received from the god Thoth the knowledge of writing, but decided not to use it too often, as he reckoned this will damage the ability to remember extensively.

    There is no doubt "technology" changes us and the way we effectively are. But it's always been like this, and the people lamenting on it are doing it because that's how it was when they came into the world. People born now are coming into a different world, and they will not miss anything. So it goes.

    • wantless20 hours ago
      I wish to offer some gentle resistance to the notion that future generations will not miss anything. You can still feel the loss of something even without knowledge of the loss. Too many children are already missing out on the enriching vibrancy of unmediated experience. They feel it as anxiety and depression. Mental health statistics for our youth are disastrous. The adoption of each novel technology that replaces a former way of life involves a loss. This is not to say technology must never be adopted, but there is a trade-off. We should keep in mind what we are losing and what we gain from technology, and use that knowledge to inform the limits of our use.
  • metalmana day ago
    I make a point of just deleting everything, once in a while, as the digital mediums have failed me more than once, my trust is zero, and I refuse to build anything, that I will not deleet. When and if, web space,email, phone #, are protected, rights of citizenship, built on historical rights to mail, and the legal protections it still holds, then fergetit, its just a non optional mega scam, and a generalised attack on personal property and freedoms.
    • netsharca day ago
      It's fascinating how today's Internet is comparable to millions of street corners, each with some person incomprehensibly ranting about something...
  • maxwellprice26512 hours ago
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