17 pointsby ttyprintk2 days ago9 comments
  • dan10400a day ago
    The value of a currency is the value of an issuing government to tax it's citizens demanding payment in that currency.

    If cryptocurrency is the answer, then the government should start a new 'coin', and start from there. There is no reason why wealth should be transferred by fiat to holders who were either speculators or engaging in criminal activity (as their are limited other values for cryptocurrency at the moment).

    • npoca day ago
      Here's what Nobel prize-winning (when it still meant something) economist Hayek had to say:

      “I don’t believe we shall ever have a good money again before we take the thing out of the hands of government, that is, we can’t take it violently out of the hands of government, all we can do is by some sly roundabout way introduce something that they can’t stop.” – F.A. Hayek 1984

      https://youtu.be/CBIidtaUCzs

      https://wtfhappenedin1971.com/

      • ttyprintkan hour ago
        His goal of spontaneous order depends on several things. Apparently, the most difficult for Americans are:

        1. Initially, the currency is promised to be convertible to a basket of goods and services. That promise begins the reputation of the issuing institution.

        2. Fraud would still be illegal, reputation-damaging, and not “it’s called being smart”

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    • ttyprintka day ago
      One of Trump's campaign promises was that Treasury would not form a new coin.
      • dan10400a day ago
        and some of trump and the families actions prior to inauguration was to create some new $TRUMP, $MELANIA coins as well as other 'ventures'...

        https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trumps-new-crypto-coin-spar... https://www.dlnews.com/articles/people-culture/inside-the-tr...

        • ttyprintka day ago
          All of that is true; he asked supporters to buy a memecoin “to show support”. This is exploitative, of course, but the question is: is it tolerated?

          What Trump promised about the central bank is that he would prevent the formation of a central bank digital currency. His audience dislikes the CBDC because it has different rules for what’s tolerable. The most important innovation for those people is that crypto apparently tolerates everything.

  • j_timberlakea day ago
    Horrible waste of money. They could have bought Dentacoin (the coin for dentists) which has a market cap of only $600K and then pump it to $600M. They have no idea what they're doing.
  • Avshaloma day ago
    So Texas is now paying people to mine bitcoin and paying people to not-mine bitcoin?
  • Imagine if Fort Knox had a magic key allowing the bearer to walk in and out of it, at will, with as much riches as they wanted.

    Now imagine that bearer is a politician who blames the North Korea for the missing assets.

    Or imagine that key is damaged and no one can get the coins. It is lost forever.

    I almost hope this stupid experiment is done on a state level, rather than national, and that it fails miserably as cautionary tale.

    • npoca day ago
      I assume you haven't heard of m-of-n multi-signature vaults?
      • ttyprintka day ago
        ByBit heard of n-of-m.
        • npoca day ago
          Shame they trusted information they read in a web browser rather than verifying it on an independent offline device....

          The average bitcoiner pleb with a single air-gapped signing device has better security.

          It was a rookie error, helped by the overly complex nature of Ethereum.

          • That's my point. It reminds me of when the greatest smart contract writers in the world got "hacked" by what was in the retrospect, a rookie error. We now have ETH and ETC which no one at the time (I'm a former miner) would have thought was possible.
            • npoc18 hours ago
              "Smart" != common sense.

              K.I.S.S., especially when it comes to money.

              Tick tock, next block...

    • celticninjaa day ago
      Laundering it would be very difficult. NK can do it because they have a nation state that will protect them. That's the only way to be able to spend that money. So sure steak the keys and live a life of luxury in north Korea I guess.
      • free_bipa day ago
        Unfortunately, there are plenty of DEX's that will launder your bitcoin of questionable providence into completely untraceable Monero.
      • lern_too_spel18 hours ago
        Or Russia or Belarus or Georgia.
    • DANmodea day ago
      Imagine you could actually know if Fort Knox had what you thought it did, to the bar.
  • ttyprintk2 days ago
    One promoter, back in Feb.:

    “All fiat currency eventually goes to its natural worth, which is the paper it’s printed on,” Schwertner said at the February 18 hearing. “We can buy land. We can buy gold. I think Texas should have the option of evaluating the best-performing asset [Bitcoin] of the last 10 years.”

  • quelupa day ago
    Seems overly risky. Probably better to put money in domestic/international bonds/stocks. Crypto is fun but I still haven't seen a practical use case (not to say there isn't one, I just haven't seen it yet).
    • captainkrteka day ago
      This is the biggest hurdle I can’t get over and why I lack crypto fomo. What can one reasonably buy with crypto that is relevant to day-to-day needs? Additionally, given the volatility and the speculative nature of crypto, even if I could buy my groceries, would I? And risk missing additional upside by holding? It’s gambling as far as I can tell.
      • > What can one reasonably buy with crypto that is relevant to day-to-day needs?

        States don’t buy investments for day to day use. Your point is valid but irrelevant to SB21.

      • npoca day ago
        You have to first understand what is wrong with the current money we use.

        What happens to the value of each dollar, if we double the number of dollars?

        What if I told you they do that every decade?

        What if I told you that real estate hasn't gone up in value over the last 50 years....only its price?

        The supply of bitcoin is hard capped and most of it has already been issued. Think of it as the perfect long-term savings tool for now.

        • survirtuala day ago
          The fixed supply / deflationary nature is actually less important than the method of minting. PoW demands massive energy & computational input, which can spontaneously arise without any human regulating authority. In other words, physics / the laws of nature are the authority. This creates an implicit resilience in the network and elevates the standard of money creation to go beyond human authority, and enter something higher.

          I see PoW systems as mechanisms to quantify human technological development and mastery over energy. As access to energy & computing increases, the implicit value of crypto increases in kind. It is a crystallization of energy into value, and a rather "pure" one at that.

          As people sit here and talk, debate, buy into propaganda by dying platforms, this value crystallization marches on. It cannot be stopped. Because of the limited supply, it motivates people who see and understand these facts to buy in, but even when "easy" access to the crystallization ceases, it still promotes 2nd tier energy to value capture via transaction fees, which also scale with energy & computation.

          People get confused and think it is imaginary money. Managing the logistics of server farms, optimizing access to cheap energy sources, and developing increasingly powerful / efficient circuits is far from imaginary. This and much more is required to compete in today's crypto mining. The crypto itself is representative of countless modern industries working in harmony, all in cutting edge industries that push humanity further.

          The criticisms are largely thoughtless and nonsensical. The energy is agnostic of the production; you can mine bitcoin with coal power, but you can also mine it with solar and nuclear. You can even mine it with a dyson sphere. It doesn't matter.

          It isn't wasted energy, insomuch as massive office buildings in the center of every city dedicated to an inefficient banking system is a waste of money, or countless lives lost over wars and access to resources is a waste of money.

          Anyway I could write all day about this, but I believe what I am saying strikes closer to the heart of what you were bringing up.

          • npoca day ago
            I agree with most of what you say, but I stand by my main point which is that you need to understand what is terribly wrong with the current money we use, before you can start to understand the enormous significance of bitcoin.

            You're correct, money is potential energy. A higher abstraction of energy than the physical energy we're used to, but potential energy nonetheless. Proof-of-work means that everyone must put in work of equal value to create bitcoin - the energy they put in to obtain it is stored within it - and this applies to everyone, whereas fiat allows bankers and people close to them to put in almost no work to obtain vast amounts of energy, simply because they have tricked the world into giving them a monopoly on creating it - fractional reserve is fundamentally a trick, a fraud. The more they can lend out (creating wars generates great demand for debt I hear), the faster the flow of free money into their bulging, overflowing pockets. I wonder how much they really have after centuries of this trickery? I heard someone posit that they have 93% of all the money while the rest of the world is fighting over the last 7%. That doesn't sound unrealistic to me.

            Regarding bitcoin, I agree that the method of issuance (proof of work, like gold) is more important than the rate of issuance. But the rate of issuance is still extremely important - if bitcoin didn't have a capped supply, then it would be superseded by another form of itself that did, that would be a superior store of value (bitcoin's key use case currently). It's this that provides an enormous incentive for people to risk their wealth and adopt it in its current early stage and will ultimately go on to fuel it's amazing victory over the monstrously powerful and corrupt fiat system.

            A creation that can do this would surely be one of the most important in the history of mankind.

            • survirtuala day ago
              The capped supply just makes bitcoin a no brainer. It is the first cryptocurrency, so it will always have value, even in a purely historical sense. This makes it brain-dead easy to justify owning some of it, which is a very favorable trait in the invisible war for freedom it fights in.

              But just as easily, a network of people can agree with different rules, and that's why I don't think it's so important. As long as the rules are transparent and well defined, that transparency itself is the revolutionary improvement.

              • npoca day ago
                > But just as easily, a network of people can agree with different rules

                Show me the incentives and I'll show you the outcome.

                The capped supply provides a _selfish_ incentive to each individual to hold bitcoin.

                Everyone wants to the world to be a better place. More fairness, transparent rules etc - but most aren't willing to put in the effort to make it so. The capped supply forces them to either make it happen or become weaker than those that do. It taps into people's fundamental urges and drives them to make the world a better place by giving them no real choice in the matter. Do or die.

                BTW. I prefer to differentiate between bitcoin and crypto.

                Bitcoin is one of the most important inventions in mankind's history ultimately going to $∞, while crip-toe is a snake pit of scams/flawed projects all going to $0 in the long term.

                Also, describing bitcoin as an asset makes more sense than as a currency. Becoming a viable currency some time in the future would just be the cherry on top of the cake.

      • survirtuala day ago
        There is a significant amount of ignorance and bad faith in your comment that I usually don't bother replying to people like you, but I am in a patient mood.

        Have you ever tried to transfer money, I don't know, ANYWHERE with the legacy banking system? ACH transfers can take days, and you don't have a single clue what is happening with your money between banks -- let alone what your real balance is anywhere until it clears. And there is an upper limit on the amount you can transfer.

        If you want "instant" transfers, you get to pay a paltry fee of a PERCENTAGE OF YOUR TRANSFER if using debit. For wire transfers, you only have to fill out a massive transfer sheet with a ridiculous number of values that you absolutely cannot get wrong, and after you slog through that mess you get to pay a small fee of over $25.00 to make a transfer -- assuming your bank allows it after you ask pretty please to move your money.

        That is just with money movement.

        With Bitcoin? I get an address, I paste it, I double check, I click transfer. Boom, done. I get to see exactly where it is in the transfer process, exactly what is happening, and I can send ANY AMOUNT for the same tiny fees. That is on the mainnet. If using lightning, those fees largely vanish and the transfer becomes instantaneous.

        Just the FUNCTIONAL experience is absolutely leagues ahead of the legacy banking system, without even talking about minting, auditing, fraud, etc. it really isn't even close to the systems before it.

        Places like Brazil have much better experiences. The PIX transfer system resembles the crypto experience, but more ironed out, instant, and free. It makes the legacy banking system much more tolerable, but it still suffers from the other reasons crypto is better; like international remittances, and sovereignty of wealth.

        We should not have to ask an authority permission to move value we have ownership of.

        • ttyprintkan hour ago
          My wire transfers approach the ease of lightning, but with humans along the way. Those humans add error correction at the cost of opacity.
    • ttyprintka day ago
      You’re right, but a strategic reserve doesn’t care about spending. A strategic gold reserve is not held in coins but bars and maybe statues. It’s there for leverage. The thing is: not many taxpayers benefit from the state (which doesn’t know much about crypto) exerting crypto leverage on their behalf.
  • ttyprintk2 days ago
    Unlike the President’s announcement, this is taxpayer money.
    • quantifieda day ago
      In what way is the President not referring to taxpayer's money? All revenues and seizures really ought to be considered "the taxpayer's".
      • ttyprintka day ago
        Not many people think that way. Taxpayer money implies boring workaday revenue “appropriated” by the legislature. What they do with one budget has a reasonable chance to also land in the next.

        The Federal strategic Bitcoin reserve is supposedly formed from FBI seizures. It might be touchable by the judicial branch (returned to a person) and there’s no guarantee how much more the FBI will add.

        These are different kinds of money. People who want more of the first kind are usually elected and must face voters about the wisdom of taxation. People who want more of the second don’t set any tax rates and directly benefit when more crimes are caught, however those crimes manifest.

  • nikolaya day ago
    What a stupid attempt at pumping a dead craptocurrency!
  • thefuqa day ago
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