399 pointsby dralley2 days ago17 comments
  • daedrdev2 days ago
    I love how when the FT broke the story, the german government investigated the FT for attacking their champion. If they had instead investigated, Jan Marsalek, who seems to really be a foreign agent, he might not have evaded the authorities.
    • perihelions2 days ago
      https://www.ft.com/content/4ebd9032-d3d1-4a9e-976c-d1235448e... ("German prosecutor drops Wirecard investigation into FT reporters")

      https://archive.is/l5j76

      https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19737795

      It's really astounding incompetence/dysfunction.

      • marcinzm2 days ago
        >It's really astounding incompetence/dysfunction.

        The word is probably "corruption."

        • astrange2 days ago
          Germans aren't corrupt so much as psychotically trusting. Basically a country of scam victims who'll listen to anyone who wants them to shut down nuclear plants, buy Russian gas, conquer Europe, etc.
          • natmakaa day ago
            > listen to anyone

            In late 2010 Germany decreed a 12-year delay for their nuclear phase-out plan.

            Then in March 2011 the Fukushima nuclear accident happened, and public opinion took notice.

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_power_in_Germany#Chang...

            France, shock-full of nuclear... now leads the european pack of nations buying natural gas from the US and also from Russia.

            https://energyandcleanair.org/january-2025-monthly-analysis-...

          • incompatible2 days ago
            Yanis Varoufakis on German corruption: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5mMRsEKLRU
            • stavros16 hours ago
              I still haven't been able to figure out whether Varoufakis is a genius or delusional. I really enjoyed this video, though, thank you.
          • lajosbacs2 days ago
            This is so well put, I have much admiration for Germans, but they just feel so gullible.
            • pavlov2 days ago
              Germans revered a business leader who turned out to be a Russian asset. But at least they accepted the evidence when it was presented.

              Americans elected a president who behaves exactly like a Russian asset. And no evidence could make them change their mind about it.

              Who are the gullible people again?

              • dwattttt2 days ago
                Both of them. The two groups you named.
              • bloomingeek2 days ago
                I agree and I'm from the states. History will be unkind to trump and the GOP, who are playing with people's lives and fire.
                • jdhendrickson2 days ago
                  It depends on who writes the history books in the states, and it's not looking good.
                  • lostlogin2 days ago
                    It also depends on whether book written is deemed illegal.
                    • kevinventullo2 days ago
                      Winners create the 5-second infotainment TikTok historical summary.
                      • collingreena day ago
                        We've always been at war with Eurasia.
                    • history is full of books that were deemed illegal that won in the end.
                      • lazidea day ago
                        And you’ll never know about the 100x other ones that ‘lost’.
                        • do you know about the 100x other ones that "lost"? I ask because you seem pretty certain they exist.
                          • lazidea day ago
                            So the library of Alexandria never burned? All the referenced lost works from Rome were made up? Or many, many other examples.
                            • the discussion was about works that were declared illegal. The burning of the library of Alexandria under Theophilus has some connection to that idea, but it is I think wider. Every referenced lost work from Rome was not lost because they were declared illegal.
                              • lazidea day ago
                                The discussion was ‘history is written by the victors’, which isn’t just making books illegal. It also includes making things (intentionally) irrelevant, destroying old copies, etc.

                                Hell, most early Bibles count, or do you think the council of Nicea resulted in something other than what is being described for large swathes of early church writings?

                                • bryanrasmussen8 hours ago
                                  the comment I replied to https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43296466

                                  >It also depends on whether book written is deemed illegal.

                                  the discussion may be wider than that comment, but my comment, even if one did not want to give it a charitable reading and was really intent on winning an HN argument today for some reason - which I understand, I been there - would really be most reasonably interpreted as a comment that making books illegal often has the exact opposite of the desired result.

                                  With charity one might also conclude that there is an implied link between quality of the winners in these scenarios, but anyway you seem to have some particular problem and unwillingness to say "huh, well the guy replied to a comment regarding making books illegal and only seems to think that is what is under discussion, I guess no arguing him out of that" so I guess we should just stop rather than you throwing out examples in which books have been changed, under the mistaken assumption that I know nothing about this history (I have read the Apocrypha, the Pseudopigrapha, and the "forgotten books of Eden", so I believe I have a reasonable knowledge regarding your latest sally)

                                  • lazide8 hours ago
                                    My comment was less about rules lawyering, and more about the meaning - I would think?

                                    The Council of Nicea - for one example - definitely did NOT make all the alternatives more popular/less dead, right?

                                    Sometimes the streisand effect is real and permanent, sometimes it’s just temporary and the bans/stamping out/destruction work. And unless we’re buried under a mountain of ‘all the others’ which I don’t see, there is a whole lot of it which just goes away through the passage of time because of those effects. Which looks to me like 100x’ish, due to the ‘reverse pyramid’ effect of history.

                                    Or are you making another point i’m missing?

                                    • bryanrasmussen5 hours ago
                                      OK fair enough I guess, although not sure about how well the bans, stamping out, destruction works given distributed electronic information and mass printing technologies, most of the obvious examples of written content being destroyed come from before the printing press being widely distributed.

                                      Most recent destroyed content is more likely to be prints of films, in other words things that had a higher cost of reproduction than written content.

                • crossroadsguya day ago
                  Go and ask the general populace of UK (you know what, focus on the school and college goers) and ask what their country and their His/Her Royal Fartnesses have done to a large part of this globe and revel in the genuine blanks they draw!

                  History writing my arse!

                • lazyeyea day ago
                  The majority of US voters disagree with you. I think the latest poll showed 70% of people like what Doge is doing for example.
                  • That’s very misleading to state. If you look at all polls about DOGE and related topics, you will find DOGE approval is relatively low while the ostensible DOGE mandates have the approval closer to 70% that you’re talking about.

                    Yet these are not the same things. DOGE has done many things already which upset and discourage people. Come to Canada where the sentiment towards DOGE seems very negative, you will still see a great desire for improved government efficiency.

                    DOGE is not as well-loved as a poll about government efficiency will make it seem. Almost everyone wants improved efficiency. Many people think their public service needs cuts. Not everyone thinks the way DOGE does it makes sense.

                    • lazyeye16 hours ago
                      Yes not everyone absolutely agrees on anything. And thats why we have elections and the winner of that election gets to decide.
                      • steve_adams_8612 hours ago
                        Usually it seems like there’s a bit more democracy involved in the USA, but it’s getting hard to tell from here in Canada.
                      • dkjaudyeqooe16 hours ago
                        And then we get to criticize the living fuck out of whoever won, especially if they're incompetent.
                        • lazyeye16 hours ago
                          And even if they're competent too but just on the other side...
                  • t0mas88a day ago
                    Sure, but that's because they don't understand the bigger picture.

                    The UK with Brexit is a good example. The majority of the voters believed it was a good idea, due to campaigns not really based on facts. Now they're all angry because the results suck for them and the campaigns were mostly lies.

                    The same is going to happen with the US majority backing Trump's plans. They all believe a lot of lies he keeps telling. And in a few years they're going to be angry because they then face the consequences like high prices for everyday purchases and terrible healthcare for the working class.

                    It's just that today they don't understand yet what the results of Trump's policies are going to be. And shouting "Canada/Europe/China has been very bad for us" gets them excited, simple human nature, our group vs the other.

                    • bloomingeeka day ago
                      "Sure, but that's because they don't understand the bigger picture."

                      And there it is! The info given by the current administration is as bewildering as it is incomplete. Russia, governmental agencies, Medicaid(!), medical researchers (who are shaking in their boots about their futures)...it's a long list with very little reasonable excuses. Musk? I'll stop here.

                      The point being, we won't know until years from now the damage that's being done to both the states and the world stage.

                      • lazyeye20 hours ago
                        Just because you're bewildered doesn't mean other people are. I think most people understand the scale of the problem and the need for massive action to address it. And they also understand that mistakes will be made but they will be quickly resolved.

                        And I think most people are relieved that for the first time in a hundred years (ever?) somebody is actually doing something to address govt fraud, waste and abuse. Something more than lots of talk followed by no action which is what has always happened previously.

                        • archagon19 hours ago
                          Meanwhile, Republicans are pushing for a $4T debt ceiling increase and $4.5T in tax cuts. The impoverished and ailing will suffer from missed social security checks, medical debt, and loss of EBT while the rich will be eating caviar on those “savings.”

                          If you’re looking for fraud, waste, and abuse, it’s right there.

                          • lazyeye16 hours ago
                            Either that or they are able to make massive inroads on solving this problem and everyone benefits.

                            And just as a sidenote, the Democrats had 3 times the campaign funds of the Republicans at the last election (Nancy Pelosi herself is worth 100 million..something like that). So if you want to talk about wealthy people, lets talk about the Dems.

                            And we can also talk about the many people getting very wealthy from the Dem NGOs (USAid was a slush fund basically).

                            https://www.thefp.com/p/a-20-billion-slush-fund-nonprofits

                            • bloomingeek12 hours ago
                              I'm afraid your "off-topic and deflecting" slip is showing.
                              • lazyeye11 hours ago
                                On topic and very relevant actually.
                    • lazyeye20 hours ago
                      Or alternatively (and we can't rule this out), maybe it's the commenters on HN that "don't understand the bigger picture...".
                      • bloomingeek12 hours ago
                        The point being, we won't know until years from now the damage that's being done to both the states and the world stage.
                        • lazyeye11 hours ago
                          Yes there's a level of trust with any new administration. When people voted for Biden they didn't realise they'd be getting a president in the early stages of dementia, leaving the actual decision-making to the extremists in the Democrat party. And of course, all the extraordinary damage that came with that...lawfare and the politicisation of the justice system, the censorship industrial complex, violent Venezualan gangs establishing a foothold in the US, massive amounts of fentanyl coming across the open border, billions of dollars of hard-earned taxpayer money spent on non-Americans in the country illegally etc.
                • bitsage18 hours ago
                  It will probably be kinder to him than to the neoliberals who thought that giving trillions to an authoritarian regime would somehow make them a liberal democracy.
              • orochimaarua day ago
                There was no evidence of him being a Russian asset. The Steele dossier and the corresponding DNC opposition research have been discredited. Remember there were 4 years of Democratic Party government. They could never find enough to indict him on treason.

                The best option to actually convict him was in Atlanta for racketeering to win an election. There the democratic attorney general blew it by hiring the prosecutor she was sleeping with.

                • astrangea day ago
                  > They could never find enough to indict him on treason.

                  Treason is strictly defined in the constitution and doesn't apply here because we aren't at war with Russia.

                  He probably did engage in seditious conspiracy or such things with them, via Roger Stone and Wikileaks, but they successfully obstructed justice enough to get away with it.

                • archagon19 hours ago
                  Discredited how? I recall a whole bunch of people in his administration getting arrested. (Though not the president himself.)
                • lazyeyea day ago
                  Their best option...?

                  Wouldn't their best option be to put up a candidate and policies that voters actually liked?

                  • orochimaarua day ago
                    They as in the republicans did. Trump won the popular vote. The democrats are a complete shit show. They still are and seem completely blind to the reasons they lost.
                • wetpawsa day ago
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              • drdaeman2 days ago
                If the discussion is about A, and, let's suppose, some P(A) is true, if P(B) is also true, but discussion never mentions B - what's the point of solely bringing the fact of truthfulness of P(B) into the picture?
                • pavlov2 days ago
                  Because P(A) is suggested as being unique to A?
                  • drdaeman2 days ago
                    Fair point. However, I didn’t get that impression at all - in my reading the preceding conversation didn’t seem to suggest anything about uniqueness or make any comparisons. Would you mind quoting the piece that made you think it’s suggested so, please?
              • ineedasernamea day ago
                Jepeordy theme song...

                "What is 'inclusive or' Alex?"

                Alex: "Yes! And that will.close out the 'boolean operators & avoidable horrors' category for this game."

              • astrange9 hours ago
                Americans didn't elect him because they believed anything he said. They were basically paying as little attention as they possibly could and have no idea what he has ever said about anything - if you go and read interviews with swing voters they just have entirely imaginary ideas of what he's like.

                The only thing they remember is he was president in 2019. They don't reliably know who it was in 2020/2021 though.

                (I think the fixed-term strong presidential system is essentially unfixable here. The country needs snap elections.)

              • WrongAssumption2 days ago
                Sorry, how does a different group being gullible present as evidence as another group not being gullible?
                • I'm thinking the assumption here was the accusation of gullibility being made against the first group was being made by a member of the second group, and the argument was that the second group presented greater gullibility traits.

                  However it should probably be noted that it was official government organizations of the first group that were being gullible whereas the official government organizations of the second group all seem to know exactly what's up, but either seem unable to do anything or are actively participating.

              • __turbobrew__a day ago
                Yes
              • 2 days ago
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              • wisty2 days ago
                Asset is a weasel word.

                You think Trump takes orders from Putin? He's too much an egotist, and he sent the Javalins to Ukreain when lots of the establishment thought it was a bad idea since the experts thought Putin wasn't mad enough to invade again. (Even if he took Kyiv in the time the US took Baghdad, the counterinsurgency to follow would / will break them).

                Yeah, IMO Putin does think Trump is incompetent, easily manipulated, corrupt, and easily influenced by actual assets. Elon is similar, but rather than incompetent, he has aligned interests (Russia is a gas station, and Elon sells EVs, both want the price of gas to skyrocket and I suspect both think US global power basically exists to keep gas prices low).

                I'm in shock that more people don't realise that Elon / Trump foreign policy is easily explained by Elon wanting higher gas prices, and Trump being easily manipulated.

                There's no solid evidence Trump is secretly and knowingly working for Putin, that's just a cooker left-wing conspiracy theory IMO.

                • sheepscreek2 days ago
                  This argument doesn’t hold much water. The tariff actions will only compel oil producers to explore new markets. With the US out of the picture, there will be a significant increase in supply. A big portion of this will be due to Canadian oil finding buyers in non-US markets.
                  • wisty13 hours ago
                    Tariffs might hurt Elon but ceding US influence to OPEC (including Russia) by threatening to leave NATO and the UN? What happpens with instability and a lack of US influence in the Middle East?
                • wqaatwta day ago
                  > explained by Elon wanting higher gas prices, and Trump being easily manipulated

                  Artificially triggering an economic recession is a sure way lower oil prices. So how exactly are they planning to do this?

                  Besides that.. if this is really musk’s goal he’s going in very roundabout way.

                  > There's no solid evidence Trump is secretly and knowingly working for Putin

                  True. He is obviously working for him very publicly and whether he’s conscious of that or not does not even change much

                • jldugger2 days ago
                  > There's no solid evidence Trump is secretly and knowingly working for Putin

                  Not enough to indict, anyways, but there's a spectrum between insane left-wing conspiracy and a jury conviction. Paul Manafort, Trumps 2016 campaign chairman, was sentenced to 7 years prison after pleading guilty to conspiracy against the United States. His protege Rick Gates did 45 days in a plea bargain deal.

                  Then there was the time Trump stood up at his campaign podium and directly asked Russian hackers to leak more Clinton emails:

                  > “Russia, if you’re listening,” Trump said, “I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing.”

                  And during his presidency, he went out of his way to take secret meetings with Putin in Hamburg Germany[1], among other places. We have no idea what was discussed, which seemingly checks the "secret" box at least. As for "knowing," well, he directly asked for their help, but who knows how mentally "there" he is. Comes down to "for" I guess, as I'm sure he'd characterize it as "with"?

                  [1]: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump...

                  • noworriesnate2 days ago
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                    • munificent2 days ago
                      A pro-peace President would not be threatening to annex Canada and Greenland.
                    • dralley2 days ago
                      > Trump is pro-peace

                      I'd love to hear you square this with his position on Iran and Gaza.

                      Trump is not "pro-peace". His position on the Ukraine conflict is unique to that conflict and he only ever seems to apply pressure on Ukraine. They get the stick, Russia gets the carrot.

                      Remember that his first reaction to the conflict was to call it "very smart"

                      • labster2 days ago
                        That’s simple, once all of the Gazans have been relocated, it will be peaceful. And then we will say that the Gaza holocaust never happened (and they deserved it).

                        Gaz-a-Lago is going to be such a peaceful resort it will be unbelievable. Believe me!

                    • bdangubic2 days ago
                      Trump is pro-peace as much as Dr. Josef Mengele was :)
                    • dragonwriter2 days ago
                      > Trump is pro-peace,

                      No, he's not.

                      He is actively, not merely tacitly, supporting Russia's war of aggression.

                      > which is a nuanced position, which appears to be pro-Putin to people who want the war to continue.

                      Trump wants Russia to win the war, as quickly as possible. He also wants to be seen as pro-peace, so makes a handful of insubstantial gestures in that direction, that misdirect the extremely gullible and are grabbed onto as if they were real by other equally-dishonest backers of Russia.

                      > Accusing people who want the war to end of being cowards or siding with the enemy is unfortunately a story as old as war itself.

                      People actually siding with the enemy pretending to be merely pro-peace despite is also a story as old as war itself.

                      > The left used to have a coherent antiwar movement, but now apparently that also is right wing.

                      Not for a very long time; during the Cold War, it had an incoherent anti-war movement that was a mix of genuinely anti-war people with a very large group that was, instead, knowing and willing pawns of the Communist bloc and actively serving that bloc's geopolitical interests. (That's still, mutatis mutandis, the case on the left, too, the genuinely anti-war side being against Russian aggression as they tend to be against aggression everywhere, while often remaining skeptical of details of intervention against it, while the formerly pro-Soviet group has remained pro-Moscow even though the Soviet Union fell and Russia is no longer even notionally left-leaning -- they are the leftists you see opposing Western support for Ukraine as "imperialism" but not saying a peep about the Russian invasion, for instance; of course, many of the prominent individuals in that "left" group have switched to the Right -- including people like Trump's Director of National Intelligence -- because while leftist, pro-Russia or not, are shut out of political power in the US [the dominant faction of the Democratic Party being center-right], the Right is a more effective place to advance their real mission, where either left or right ideology is a cover for personal corruption and advancing Russian geopolitical interests.)

            • Neonlicht2 days ago
              It's called living in a high trust society.
            • Delomomonl2 days ago
              We are trying to trust. That's a difference.

              Give trust to get trust

            • jajko2 days ago
              Lack of critical thinking I'd say, inward and outward. Gaping hole in nation's education system, just listen to what higher level says.

              I have one german colleague with whom we dicuss sometimes deeper topics. He confirmed what I thought - germans, at least his generation, are/were raised to feel utterly responsible for WWII atrocities of their ancestors. I don't mean having objective information without the push to make them feel morally superior or ignoring inconvenient truths like ie russians always do, no I mean a very heavy guilt burden pushed on all young folks, who then don't have a clue how to process that.

              Then they are stunned into any action even when a murderous nation is clearly trying to subvert and destroy their society and does very direct attacks against infrastructure. Anything, literally anything including losing without a fight, apart from actually standing up and fighting back aggressor. And rest of EU goes where germans go, can't ignore that massive influence. 3 years of brutal unprovoked war seems barely enough to move the needle at least a bit as we saw in recent elections.

              • 9deva day ago
                > germans, at least his generation, are/were raised to feel utterly responsible for WWII atrocities of their ancestors.

                A common misunderstanding, unfortunately also among Germans themselves. We are raised not to feel responsible for the crimes of the Nazis ourselves, but responsible to make sure the world never forgets what happened and how. It’s not about guilt for the past, but wariness for the future.

                I’m not happy with other traits of our People either, but I think the way we handle the holocaust is the right one still.

                • immibis21 hours ago
                  It's not wariness for the future. It's performative absolution for the past. They're totally fine with mass-murdering 6 million of another ethnoreligious group. They're not fine with the funny cross sign, the hand raise, the words used as labels, or the idea of persecuting Jews. They're completely fine with the ideas those symbols represent, as long as you don't use the symbols, or the name, and the target group isn't Jews. In fact, they're doing it right now against Palestinians. They also learned it's bad PR to let German people see it happening with their own eyes, and it's bad PR to make it legal to complain about, so they don't do either.
                  • 9dev4 hours ago
                    I don't know which axe you have to grind, mate, but everything you said seems to be the second-hand—flawed—impression of a foreigner.

                    You're talking about Germans as if a unified group with a single opinion, which could not be farther from the truth. In the recent elections, we saw extremist parties from both left and right, as well as different centrist opinions, gaining similar share of the public vote. That is not a country that's "totally fine" with mass-murdering 6 million people.

                    I assume you're speaking of Palestine; let me tell you this. The relationship between Germany and Israel is, for—at least I hope—understandable reasons, a complex one. German citizens currently alive are obviously not personally responsible for the Shoah, but the state of Germany, a fictional construct, will carry this responsibility indefinitely. And that implies, to a certain extent, an obligation to stand on Israel's side. If you don't at least try to understand why this is, and why Germany, as an entity, thinks it is morally correct, then you don't get to tell us how to do our foreign policy.

                    In Germany, you can absolutely spread pro-Palestine opinions, as long as you don't demand violence against Jews. Blaming the Israelian army for war crimes against Palestinian citizens is fine, and a welcome part of public debate. Again: You may not agree with that policy rooted in the origins of the federal republic of Germany, but it is our policy. Accept that, our leave.

                    Having said all of this, I, personally, am highly critical of the settlements and the way the war on Hamas was carried out. I'm not fine with mass-murder, but I'm also not fine with terrorist attacks on civilians. This issue is more complex than you try to frame it, and picking a side is a step in the wrong direction. I can condemn terrorist and criminal soldiers and politicians at the same time, without pretending Israel is flawless or Hamas doesn't exist.

        • cactusplant73742 days ago
          It's only recently that Germany has considered Russia a threat. You would think Russia's attempt to destroy their economy would be a sign to move away from Nord Stream.
          • immibis2 days ago
            In both the USA and Germany, people in power do not care about the well-being of their country as long as they can enrich themselves. They even both use the same fearmongering about immigrants to get votes.
            • 9deva day ago
              I think the xenophobia is actually coming from the lower layers of the society, and are merely picked up and directed into political actions by cunning politicians. It’s like a stream of lava that flows where they guide it to and destroys anything in its path.
              • immibis13 hours ago
                I think there's always at least a background low level of xenophobia, and it's the choice of politicians to amplify it until it becomes a significant force in society.

                By the way, xenophobia, homophobia, transphobia, etc are reduced by mere exposure to other races, gay people, trans people, etc in a normal setting.

    • preisschild2 days ago
      Also, Austrian politicians from the party which has a friendship contract with Putins party, helped him escape from EUrope.

      And those morons had almost 30% of votes last election, but fortunately didn't get into government because no other parties wanted to work with them under their conditions.

      • lostmsua day ago
        Where can I read more on Austria's ties with Russia?
        • bmicraft21 hours ago
          Not Austria but the FPÖ specifically. Google "Strache Ibiza" for one of the most important events in that regard.
          • preisschild2 hours ago
            Its not only the FPÖ though, our ex-president from the SPÖ (social democrats), for example, joked with Vladimir Putin shortly after the Invasion of Crimea about Austria getting parts of Ukraine that were once part of Austria-Hungary.
  • throwaway_203572 days ago
    I am surprised Dobrokhotov was still traveling to Russia after the Navalny publication and Grozev felt safe holidaying in Bulgaria. There is this interesting FT interview from August '23 where he predicts Prigozhin's death and hints at changes to their security after they were declared "foreign agents".

    [1] https://archive.is/L6UNc

    • sofixa2 days ago
      > Grozev felt safe holidaying in Bulgaria

      While there are lots of pro-Russian people in Bulgaria at large, and specificaylly in politics (including the president), and significant Russian operations in the country, it's not like it's Belarus. There isn't significantly more risk for him there than in Romania or Austria or Slovakia.

  • hermitcrab2 days ago
    Bellingcat have done some amazing work. Their book, 'We Are Bellingcat', is worth a read.
  • sva_2 days ago
    The life of Jan Marsalek would make for a good movie plot, but at the risk of glorifying the crimes he committed.
    • MarcelOlsz2 days ago
      You can't make a movie about something without glorifying it. There's no such thing as an anti-war movie as Truffaut said.
      • mikrl2 days ago
        Starship Troopers is the darling du jour online for this phenomenon.

        A movie lampooning militarism, xenophobia and… armoured supersoldiers grinding through bugs and taking their resources? Sounds cool.

        Compare to games like Factorio and Helldivers 2. About 1% of the time I think “wait, am I the baddie?” and the rest is just raining down technologically enhanced Armageddon to further my mineral stockpiles.

        • dmoy2 days ago
          > Compare to games like Factorio and Helldivers 2. About 1% of the time I think “wait, am I the baddie?

          I was really confused there for a second, before I remembered that there are native bug monsters in Factorio. I always play with the monsters disabled so the planet is empty.

        • worik2 days ago
          Starship Troupers, the book, was explicitly pro war.
          • astrange2 days ago
            The movie is not really based on the book. It's supposedly a parody of it, but the director literally did not read the book, so it's actually a parody of what he assumed it was about.

            (eg "service guarantees citizenship" is presented as a fascist idea the movie is parodying, but IIRC in the book you could get it by being a mailman.)

            • crooked-v2 days ago
              > but IIRC in the book you could get it by being a mailman

              No, it's explicitly noted in the book that the civil service options are supposed to be at least as unpleasant as being a soldier - even if that means inventing useless make-work for someone unable to perform other duties. The explicit example given is that a blind man with only a single functioning limb might be given the duty of counting hairs on caterpillars by touch on a cold moon base for his full tour of service.

              Of course, that's leaving aside the basic problem that the idea only works in an idealized abstract state where nobody in the basically unaccountable government ever indulges in even a little bit of nepotism when it comes to who gets picked for or promoted out of certain kinds of drudge work.

            • etc-hosts2 days ago
              Whoever wrote the screenplay or script for the movie definitely read the book.

              Several Starship Troopers movie scenes are lifted directly from the book, almost word for word.

              • astrange2 days ago
                The scriptwriter did. I think the director had him write chapter outlines of it.
            • barrkel2 days ago
              It's less a parody of what the book was about and more a parody of Nazi Germany - and showing what great fun and how exciting war is to the kids.
              • lll-o-lll2 days ago
                It’s a send up and mockery of American culture around their military. It is parody, quite mean parody (as is typical of Verhoeven), and it wasn’t well received at the time (in the US).

                As an Australian, I laughed heartily, and considered it just deserts for that Simpsons episode. ;-)

                • etc-hosts2 days ago
                  The movie is a commentary on the seductiveness of Fascism.

                  Verhoeven is something of an expert on this, since he grew up in The Hague during Nazi occupation.

                  There's an interview out there where he says when he making the film he was wondering if his movie was in-your-face enough about Nazis, to really make sure his movie wasn't too subtle or that people would miss the point he had the former Doogie Howser actor wear a SS officer's trenchcoat.

                  • euroderfa day ago
                    If only he had embedded a short parody of Triumph of the Will, a decidedly seductive film IMO (YMMV).
          • sbochins20 hours ago
            It was actually pro-facism. This isn’t the first time a movie was based on a book, where the movie was a dark comedy, by simply representing the argument in the book. Similar thing happened with Dr Strangelove, which was based on some crummy Cold War book.
          • funny_falcona day ago
            I believe, it was pro-military, but not pro-war. The book idealizes the state and social system, and uses war only as a backdrop.
        • qmmmura day ago
          It is 100% critiquing all of the a above? How have media studies failed this badly...
          • simpaticodera day ago
            A thing can be meant as one thing and taken as another. Warhammer 40k is one of those things. Any fantasy historical show is also an example. We are attracted to illiberal settings and situations; which makes sense since much of human civilization was ordered as such (and wiped out the rest the first chance it got). Liberalism requires a great deal of self-restraint, because illiberalism seems to be the psychological default.
            • toyga day ago
              > illiberalism seems to be the psychological default

              Because apes are not liberal, of course.

              • mikrl18 hours ago
                Neither was Hobbes, but the ‘nasty, brutish and short’[1] state of nature is not something we should aspire to.

                Ironically, the chaos of liberal democracy might be the greatest stabilizing force our species has ever known. Even the Pax Romana the ancient Chinese bureaucracy, and the European empires fell apart for one reason or another.

                Let’s hope liberal democracy has many more miles left in the tank.

                [1] https://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/nasty-brutish-and-short....

              • 9deva day ago
                They are not. An ape is always part of a tribe and has a role to play. Not even the alpha animals are secure, since they need to defend their position; females will, if a conquering tribe takes over, be raped by the winning males. What exactly would you call liberal about that?
        • Democracy is non-negotiable
        • ReptileMan2 days ago
          I really hate Verhoeven about what he did to the book.
          • rurbana day ago
            I really love what Verhoeven did to the book. A timeless masterpiece
          • croes2 days ago
            But the movie is still good
      • tschwimmer2 days ago
        If you watch Come and See and are excited about war afterwards, you aren't smart or introspective enough that external media has a meaningful effect on your thoughts anyway.
      • swat5352 days ago
        > There's no such thing as an anti-war movie as Truffaut said.

        This is an absurd statement, can you expand on this?

        Have you never seen The Pianist, Schindler's List, Come and See, ..?

        • MarcelOlsz2 days ago
          See here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43296082

          Yeah I've seen all of those and I know a fair amount of people that those movie had an opposite effect on.

          • esperenta day ago
            People are free to have any reaction to a piece of art. That said, if someone watches Schindler's List and comes away feeling that it glorified war, then I think they deeply - perhaps willfully - misunderstood the movie.
            • Paradigma11a day ago
              Doesnt Schindler's List show the necessity of a righteous war to end the Nazi terror regime?
              • esperenta day ago
                There's a difference between showing something to be necessary, or even "righteous", and glorifying it.

                But I'm curious which part of Schindler's List you got "righteous" from. It's not a vibe I got from watching it. Are you sure it's not just your prior judgement coloring your interpretation?

        • t-32 days ago
          The horrors of war can be used an excuse for fighting wars. WMDs in Iraq, anyone?
        • archagon19 hours ago
          I find myself returning to this Metafilter comment a lot over the years, from someone who survived war in Bosnia. (Warning: graphic content.)

          > I was conscripted into some faction of the Bosnian Army in order to "defend" our city. In truth, we had few arms or anything with which to defend. And as a very tall, largely starved girl, I wouldn't have made much of a soldier anyhow. So I was a "nurse." No training, of course. And no supplies, either. I was near the front line fairly often. There wasn't much you could do.

          > One day, some shell exploded right on or near two young soldiers and they were torn into dozens of pieces. I say "dozens" because it wasn't hundreds or millions - I'd seen that happen too, and it's totally different. You could count these pieces. They were big lumps. A fellow "nurse" and I were near enough that we got there before anyone else. There was no one to save.

          > As these soldiers were Bosnian Muslims whose bodies - what there was of them - would be returned to their families, we realized that we needed to collect these pieces to put the soldiers back together, kind of, because Muslims believe a body should be buried "whole" - to the extent that it's possible. With "only" dozens of pieces, it's kind of possible to do this. So we set about trying to match parts - one guy's leg get ripped off above the knee, but this leg has the knee attached, so it can't be this first guy's. That sort of thing. "Look," my fellow "nurse" said, "this one ate rice!" Rice was one of the few kinds of food that was readily doled out. Everyone hated it because they were tired of it, because it required a lot of water to cook (and no one had running water) and because it required a lot of heat to cook (and there was no gas and the trees were mostly gone and we'd already burned most of our books.) But we hadn't had rice in a while; this soldier must have been had some at home, stashed away.

          > This guy's stomach was blown up, so rice was all over the various parts of his body that came from his torso. And I remember being so happy, because the hardest things to connect to a specific person are internal organs, but this guy's organs had rice on them, so you could tell they were "his." Ones without rice were, presumably, the other soldier's. So the job of piecing together bodies was made much easier than it normally would have been, when you try to make each "body" weigh about the same, even if you know parts are mixed. Of course, I don't need to add that when something like this happens, it's not just people - and rice - everywhere, but uniquely awful smells, and the flies get there so fast I still don't know how they do it.

          > Later that day, I snaked my way to my aunt's, a few kilometers away. I remember smiling; I rarely smiled during the war. My aunt had made soup - good soup - and I ate a lot and told her and my cousins about my day. We all agreed it that things had gone pretty well, considering. I was pretty happy about piecing two young men together successfully because of the rice and having a stomach full of warm soup.

          > War is dehumanizing. If, as in the Okinawa quote, you still worry about getting shit and piss on you, if you can even still smell the rotting flesh, and if it bothers you enough that you consider not eating your rations, if you can still consider your situation to be something like "hell's own cesspool," well . . . then you're still pretty fucking lucky. People like to read about that stuff; that's why they make it into popular movies and comic books.

          > People don't make movies about the happiness of a young girl who finds she can reassemble people with ease, thanks to the fact that one of them ate a lot of rice earlier that day. Because it isn't very romantic or macho and it isn't full of hard-ass symbolism.

          > The thing about war, too, is that it affects many many more civilians than it does soldiers. The military-centric ideas in the article don't grasp that. War, according to romantic notions going as far back as the Greeks, is more about guys toughing it out than women and children left to pick up the pieces.

          https://www.metafilter.com/87979/Losing-the-War#2886398

          This one, too:

          > I found that piece very hard to read - self-serving and smug in the sense of looking for romanticism. I reckon that, if the author had ever seen war, he'd be quite embarrassed by it.

          > Guess what - most people prefer the movie version of any human experience. War is mostly long, boring, cold, hungry and tedious . . . then every once in a while someone lobs a grenade at you or shells your house or a sniper's bullet pierces your arm or rapes and kills someone you know and you get hysterical . . . and then it goes back to being long, boring, cold, hungry and tedious for eons and eons. While I like a lot of the human experiences eschewed by many people I know, war is one in which the movie version is quite plainly preferable.

          https://www.metafilter.com/87979/Losing-the-War#2886358

          There’s some amazing (and harrowing) content in her comment history — highly recommend giving it a read. It made me realize that even films like Saving Private Ryan present war as a titillating kind of hell. Something like Threads will probably come closer to the truth of it.

      • carstenhaga day ago
        The game "Spec Ops: The Line" begs to differ, and you don't even expect it.
      • esperenta day ago
        Lord of War. Everything in that movie is hyper glorified... And yet if you come away from it feeling that it glorified anything about the reality of what it portrayed, then you may need some lessons in media literacy.
        • Lord of War is a bit tricky on that front. It seems to glorify the whole mess of international semi-licit arms trading and the people who do it (Cage's character), but under that what it really demonstrates is a man falling ever deeper into sad loneliness in between mostly hollow successes straddling a moral abyss. He resigns himself, almost through inertia, to continuing his business simply because by the end, he really has nothing else and knows how to do nothing else, trapped in a life now devoid of deeper warmth or meaning.

          The movie is bleakly depressing under its mockingly glorified surface shine.

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      • jajko2 days ago
        Hollywood probably can't make one (and most recent US war movies are unwatchable outside US due to all over the top pathos that just looks ridiculous), but deeper topics and inconvenient stances are often better explored ie in European or other cinema.

        Do you feel ie recent All Quiet on the Eastern Front glorified war, or people involved? That book is even more powerful.

        • MarcelOlsz2 days ago
          The way I interpret the quote is that war always carries themes of heroism, sacrifice, adventure, etc. Ideas that always make it compelling. Even a film that portrays war in the most brutal unromanticized way still ends up glorifying it simply by engaging with these themes.

          What you go for is a "damn I never want to go to war" reaction but what you get is "sucks those guys died, would have been different if i was there though" and that is the "glorification".

          I think this is what Truffaut meant that it's a poor medium to convey conflict as the lens must glorify otherwise its not longer a movie, just footage.

          • wqaatwta day ago
            At least people get a vague idea of what war really can be like. Very few people would be attracted by that violence unless it’s extremely romanticized.

            There were no war movies before WW1 and no major wars for a few generations so there were millions of extremely eager young men lining up in front of recruitment offices in Germany, Britain and France. They had zero idea what they were signing up for.

          • esperenta day ago
            > Even a film that portrays war in the most brutal unromanticized way still ends up glorifying it simply by engaging with these themes

            I think this is plain wrong. Unless you count "glorification" to mean anything that makes a subject compelling to watch. But I think that's stretching the meaning of the word past it's breaking point.

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      • Archelaos2 days ago
        > You can't make a movie about something without glorifying it. There's no such thing as an anti-war movie as Truffaut said.

        Except when you are Kubrik.

        • etc-hostsa day ago
          There are plenty of Marines who will tell you that they signed up for service after watching Full Metal Jacket.
          • etc-hosts21 hours ago
            reading further, I think you were referring to Paths Of Glory. sorry.
      • CamperBob22 days ago
        Interesting. Did he say that before or after Paths of Glory came out?
      • insane_dreamer2 days ago
        not sure I agree with Truffaut; I think that Platoon and Born on the Fourth of July, for example, are quite good at _not_ glorifying war
        • thomassmith652 days ago
          Yes, it's hard to think of anything in 'Born on the Fourth of July' that would leave a viewer more enthusiastic about war.

          • The main character's enthusiasm to enlist is portrayed as irritatingly naive and ridiculous.

          • The combat centers around the main character accidentally killing innocent villagers and a fellow American soldier.

          • The main character winds up paraplegic, impotent, incontinent.

          And all this happens before Willem Dafoe even shows up.

          • MarcelOlsz2 days ago
            If brutality and cruelty didn't appeal to a certain type of person we wouldn't have war, fighting, or any of that stuff in the first place. For the same reason a brutal war movie motivates someone towards it, is the same reason watching UFC videos of guys faces getting rearranged motivates. It balloons up the part of you that believe they failed where you won't. That is why it "glorifies".
            • t-32 days ago
              I don't think the egotistical notion that the viewer would succeed where others failed is even a thing, or that it takes a "certain type of person". It's just that violence is stimulating and fun to the perpetrators and witnesses. Civilization is not something innate, it's something that must be learned and maintained and practiced or else we lose it.
            • tbrownawa day ago
              > If brutality and cruelty didn't appeal to a certain type of person we wouldn't have war, fighting, or any of that stuff in the first place.

              There have on occasion been wars that were fought over resources rather than for recreation.

              • akhoa day ago
                You can trade and bargain for resources. It only gets to war if someone finds war more appealing.
                • wqaatwta day ago
                  Or stealing them is easier. Pre modern economies were to a large extent zero sum and violence was pervasive (e.g. there was a lot of overlap between being a merchant and a pirate, you did whichever seemed more profitable at the time).
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            • thomassmith652 days ago
              There is a lot of truth to that, and it applies to many of the other films people have mentioned in this thread.

              It's easy to see why someone would find aspects of 'Saving Private Ryan' attractive (eg: Private Jackson, the sharpshooter), and it doesn't require much imagination to see how aspects even of Nazi villains can be attractive (they had the best uniforms).

              It's more difficult to see how 'Born on the Fourth of July' would leave anyone - even a sadist - enthusiastic about war.

              It's not like Kubrik's 'Clockwork Orange' in which some of the violence, in a sick way, empowers the main character.

              Instead, the main character pathetically bumbles into shooting people he doesn't mean to, is shot himself, and turns into an angry loser in a wheelchair (until he finds his calling as a peace activist).

        • matmatmatmat2 days ago
          Some more examples: Saving Private Ryan, All Quiet on the Western Front, The Deer Hunter.

          Personally, I would also include Schindler's List.

          • card_zeroa day ago
            I suggest Grave of the Fireflies, which is entirely about children slowly starving to death.
          • royal__2 days ago
            The Thin Red Line
          • insane_dreamer2 days ago
            Saving Private Ryan, while it does give a particularly realistic view of storming Omaha Beach, and some other scenes, is also generally heroic -- the "good guys save their buddy from the bad guys" -- which serves to glorify war, giving it a "higher purpose".
        • I’d also recommend The Saviour.
    • einarfd2 days ago
      Jan Marsalek would make a great Bond villain.
      • 9deva day ago
        This. It’s just perfect. A brilliant sociopath who happens to be a technological genius with a lot of money, loves to play war, works as a Russian spy out of the dark, and plays the long game, while eluding the worlds police forces easily? How much better can it possibly get??
        • Klonoar19 hours ago
          Where are you getting technological genius from…?
          • 9dev19 hours ago
            I have read up a lot on Marsalek over the years. Not quite genius maybe, but definitely able to found a highly successful software development company while in high school, for example.
    • riffraffa day ago
      This whole story read as a Guy Ritchie script
    • DaOne2562 days ago
      There are at least two Wirecard movies, one with the "Stromberg" actor and the other one is a documentation.
    • ez_mmk2 days ago
      There's king of stonks a German comedy series on Netflix inspired by Wirecard
  • ctrlp2 days ago
    It struck me as stupid and pointless to poison Navalny. Why bother? His presence seemed a nuisance at worst and a useful foil at best. Is there just something in the Russia soul that can resist assassination plots by poison?
    • saalweachter2 days ago
      Besides the logical "sending a message" reasons other's mentioned, I would also like to point out that dictators, crime lords, and other "strong man" types are often acting emotionally rather than rationally.

      Navalny crossed him. Of course he had to die. Pride would allow nothing else.

      One of the greatest features of western democracies is that our political losers, who came at the not-a-king and missed, largely still die of old age in bed surrounded by loved ones.

      • dralley2 days ago
        Same with Sergei Skripal and Alexander Litivenko. They were "traitors" or at least perceived as such.
    • grey-areaa day ago
      This isn’t about the russian soul, it’s about a small vindictive man called Putin who has his opponents beaten to death in front of the Kremlin, or poisoned, or murdered on his birthday if the poisoning doesn’t work. He even poisons his allies to threaten them. He orders murders like this out of spite and because fear is the only weapon he understands.

      This horrible little man is valorised by the current US president as ‘a genius’ so this sort of stupidity transcends national borders.

    • rat99882 days ago
      It is for future navalnies.
      • lostmsua day ago
        Yes, I hope they learn that journalism doesn't work against mafia and will use gunpowder next time.
    • entropyneur2 days ago
      Are you referring to 2020 attempt or the 2024 murder? He was a lot more than just nuisance in 2020 and could have become the gravity center for future anti-war sentiments. In 2024 Putin murdered him just because he wanted to and there was no downside.
    • tryauuum2 days ago
      Why wouldn't you do it? What is there to lose if you do it?
    • Paradigma11a day ago
      These are gifts brought to the Tzar to show that you are more worthy of praise and resources than the other Siloviki.
    • preisschild2 days ago
      Same reason they killed the pilot that defected to Ukraine in Spain: They want to deter future critics/defectors. Thats why their OPSEC for those operations is so bad: they want people to know it was them.
      • jajko2 days ago
        You can't make more visible public executions than throwing people out of windows in centers of cities. Modern public guillotine, gets a lot of press too. Message is clear to all, the goal is to be shocking and not subtle.
        • hermitcrab2 days ago
          You make it really obvious you did it. Then you deny you did it, just to further emphasize that you have all the power.
    • evertedsphere2 days ago
      pour encourager les autres
    • netsharc2 days ago
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  • t_luke2 days ago
    The first paragraph misstates the nature of the Wirecard fraud. The money wasn’t ’siphoned off’, it never existed in the first place.
    • pas17 hours ago
      probably there was both. Jan embezzled real money and then to cover that for a while they used the fake money, no?
  • amarcheschi2 days ago
    This is well beyond worrying. Just today I was arguing with other people here on hn who told that the pro Russian candidate who was arrested was a bad sign for democracy. The guy that was sponsored by literally the Kremlin, who routinely does things like planning to kill journalists
    • inverted_flag2 days ago
      Russia is winning the information war, unfortunately.
      • pas17 hours ago
        people don't really have an appetite for reliable information, they want vibes.
  • uepa day ago
    Lots of crazy stuff in here.

    > Initially, the FSB was mainly interested in getting its hands on our equipment, presumably in the hopes of confirming its hypothesis regarding our links with the CIA. > ... > The FSB officers feigned surprise and promised to return the missing items immediately but succeeded in doing so only after 40 minutes had passed. Although they failed to bypass the pin codes on the phones or computer, the Kremlin’s agents did manage to install a tracker on Roman’s laptop, which he discovered within minutes.

    > I had a weirdly similar experience shortly thereafter, not in Moscow, but — shockingly — in Berlin. Flying back from a screening of Navalny in New York and on the way to another one in the Hague, I was just passing via the German capital for a few hours to speak at a conference. The event was held at a pompous hotel in the city’s suburbs. > ... > During the event, I looked up the ownership of the hotel only to discover it was owned by a German, quite literally, “friend of Vladimir Putin”. I rushed out to get my suitcase, and the bellboy took a whopping twenty minutes to find it. On the way to the airport, I discovered a hard disk was missing from the suticase. I alerted the police who rushed to the hotel, only to be told that the security cameras had been down for maintenance.

    Does this imply that the conference was held at this hotel purely to get access to his devices?

    > The scheme was replete with cars bearing fake license plates, a route that avoided traffic surveillance cameras, and two speed boats that would need to be sunk at the end of the operation.

    > Later on, a source in the Security Service of Ukraine (SBU) informed Roman that Kyiv’s intelligence services had gathered information showing that a Ukrainian criminal group had received an “order” from Moscow to kidnap him and take him to Russia. A reward of $50,000 was offered for his capture.

    > At one point, one of them even booked a seat next to him on a flight from Budapest to Berlin, wearing a hidden camera to record his screen while he texted me. Their attempt to get his smartphone pin code was off by only one digit.

    How many people were working full-time to get this guy?

    • 9471agsha day ago
      It does sound crazy. If they really wanted to kidnap him, they would have succeeded instead leaving so many clues. The SBU told him? I am shocked, shocked.

      Getting hands on electronic equipment is what any pro-Palestinian Western journalist is familiar with at airports etc.

  • wildylion2 days ago
    Fuck. I was born and raised in Russia. And yet, I desperately wish for Russia to be nuked to shreds. Fucking wiped off the map.Made uninhabitable for centuries and left that way as a warning to future generations.

    I don't even know if there will ever be anything other than tyranny. And yes, my relatives and friends are still over there... Others have become emigrants and refugees...

    Fuck, sometimes I wish it all to just end. I never chose this. I and most of my circle didn't vote for this Hitler of modernity. I don't know, maybe I should have burnt myself on the Red Square? But what for?

    • honzabea day ago
      This is what despair looks like. I am not judging - I am from Eastern Europe, and I grew up in a country still occupied by Russians. Knowing that no matter what good I do, my life might be destroyed by Russia makes me feel all kinds of feelings too. It's hard to find solace, but one thing that helps me is that there is always a choice. They can destroy my life, but it is up to me whether I choose not to be like them. We all die sooner or later, but if I spend my life on the right side of the eternal fight between good and evil, I still win. I know I am not original, and I am probably not explaining it well, but it gives me a bit of tranquility. I hope it will help you too.
    • Const-mea day ago
      Stay calm, and support armed forces of Ukraine if you can. With sufficient external support, Ukrainians will make Russia small again.

      Personally I trust the following two foundations: https://savelife.in.ua/en/ https://www.sternenkofund.org/en I believe both are doing a great job, and donate regularly.

    • type015 hours ago
      Nuking Russia will not do anyone any good, even Ukrainians. Russian Empire should dissolve to constituent republics in the same way USSR did. Also they should be forced to give up nukes, it is in the long term interest of every country on Earth
    • yksa day ago
      And the blight is spreading. The US have already fallen, Europe's chances are 50/50. The world is being robbed of the future that has liberty and pursuit of happiness in it — only to be replaced with "you die today, I die tomorrow" of the all-encompassing Russian prison law.
      • 9deva day ago
        Don’t buy into the sorrow. The USA has survived almost 300 years, and has seen a lot of bad shit. Europe is just pulling itself up. And even if it all isn’t enough, neither Putin nor Trump are going to get much older, and both are too full of themselves to start building up a successor.

        Have a little faith! Otherwise we’ve already lost.

    • dennis_jeeves214 hours ago
      >I desperately wish for Russia to be nuked to shreds.

      Well my ambitions extend beyond Russia. Just saying...

      > I and most of my circle didn't vote for this Hitler of modernity.

      One think I must say is that while you (or your generation) didn't vote, at some point in the past people collectively did vote/support or ignore. Common people are a divided, obedient lot as opposed to the oppressors who know how to gang up. As the quote goes:

      'The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing,'

    • archagon18 hours ago
      I was also born in Russia. Things are bad now, but the arc of history is long. Stalin saw millions repressed under his brutal reign but was thrown immediately under the bus after his death. Non-hereditary autocracy is an inherently unstable system; we can still hope for positive change once the current crop of dictators passes away.
  • jcmp2 days ago
    its crazy to me, how the author describes that they broke in his flat and stole an old laptop of a relative, like its an absolutly normal thing. He seems like he just accept its and moves on.
    • kdmtctl2 days ago
      He knows his risks.
  • alephnerd2 days ago
    At least non-Russia aligned European nations have gotten the message over the past 2 weeks.

    I've been pessimistic about European nation's ability to coordinate after the initial Macron meeting after the MSC, but boy am I glad I was wrong.

    The UK, France, Germany, and other Western+Northern European nations have finally opened their eyes, and are starting to move to integrate European capabilities.

    The overtures to Turkiye, the removal of Germany's debt breaks on defense spending, the potential expansion of France+UK's nuclear umbrella, and the injection of interest and potential cash in Eutelsat OneWeb will help enhance European strategic autonomy.

    If a liberal rule based order is to exist, it must be protected by all it's members, and it's up to them to help course correct wayward members of that order.

    • vkou2 days ago
      Mark my words, in ten years, at least three out of Germany, Japan, South Korea, and Canada will have nuclear weapons.

      I am really excited to see a new chapter in nuclear proliferation unfold.

      • honzabea day ago
        > Mark my words, in ten years, at least three out of Germany, Japan, South Korea, and Canada will have nuclear weapons.

        My bet would be on Poland, Japan, and South Korea.

        And why is almost no one mentioning Taiwan in these discussions? I am probably missing something, but Taiwan would seem like the most likely candidate, assuming they do not want to be swallowed by China.

        • TiredOfLifea day ago
          Taiwan will become part of China during Trump.
          • lostmsua day ago
            Unlikely
            • TiredOfLife19 hours ago
              Trump said it won't happen during his term. That practically guarantees that it will happen during his term.
      • perlgeeka day ago
        Germany will absolutely not have its own nuclear weapons in 10 years (there are already US nukes stationed in Germany, so foreign ones aren't a change in status quo).

        Even for a highly industrialized nation, developing nukes is a big project, and all of the upcoming defense spending in the next few years will go to Ukraine and closing some of the gaping holes in conventional forces.

        Besides, Germany still has deep-seated qualms about weapons and armed forces; while this is slowly eroding, I don't see it going as far as nuclear armament.

        I find it more likely that Poland will possess nukes in ten years; they're geographically closer to Russia, spend more on defense and have more political will.

        • t0mas88a day ago
          Germany won't develop them in the next 10 years. But excluding foreign ones because "that's the status quo" is a bit oversimplified.

          There is a difference between allowing US weapons under US control (and only to be launched from US planes) to be stationed in the country vs a deeper European collaboration where France stations weapons in Germany for joint European use.

          • perlgeeka day ago
            Germany has its own planes certified for use with US nuclear warheads. Any strike command would need to be a joint US + DE decision.

            I could imagine that Germany replaces the US warheads with French or even British ones, but not actual ownership of nuclear warheads, nor a situation where a single foreign nation could make the decision to start nukes from German soil without German approval.

        • honzabea day ago
          > Germany will absolutely not have its own nuclear weapons in 10 years (there are already US nukes stationed in Germany, so foreign ones aren't a change in status quo).

          Given the regime change in the US, those would be useless if the goal is to deter Russia, wouldn't they?

          • carstenhaga day ago
            But France has some as well. There's really no way Germany will build some imo.
        • foldra day ago
          Germany might buy nuclear weapons from France. It’s a fairly outlandish scenario but far less unlikely than it was a few months ago.
      • alephnerd2 days ago
        South Korea and Japan probably if a CN-JP-SK FTA is dead.

        I don't see Germany or Canada getting them as they lack domestically owned and manufactured delivery systems (eg. medium/long range ballistic missiles, domestically manufactured nuclear warhead capable jet fighters).

        This is why SK and Japan kept investing in ballistic missile and rocketry research. Pakistan did the same in the 1980s and North Korea in the 1990s.

        Nuclear weapons without delivery systems are functionally useless in a world where most nuclear powers have second strike and nuclear triad capabilities, so the deterrence aspect of nuclear weapons are DoA.

        • mkl2 days ago
          • alephnerd2 days ago
            Absolutely, yet they're still decades behind the capabilities that SK or Japan developed domestically over the past 20-30 years.

            Germany is not in a position today to start a nuclear program, becuase any nuclear program can be viewed as causus belli for a conventional war, and Germany would not have the ability to develop credible secondary strike capabilities if such a war were to happen in the next 3-5 years.

            In addition, Germany lacks a domestic civilian nuclear program due to denuclearization in the 2000s and 2010s - something which Japan or SK DID NOT do.

            Imo, it will will take 7-12 years for Germany to reach a point where it's domestic space/ballistics industry is comparable to even Iran's today.

            That said, that development and capital might be sped up if defense related opportunities with the KSA are enhanced, because it would provide a massive infusion of capital.

            Also, nuclear weapons programs are expensive, and Germany can better use it's capital to build conventional warfighting capabilities that it severely lacks, while remaining assured of France or the UK's nuclear umbrella.

            Germany should have started this spending spree 10-15 years ago (which is when most other regional powers like Japan, SK, KSA, UAE, India, Pakistan, etc began doing so), but better late than never.

            Germany is severely lagging in dual use technology, and German civilians need to realize that (the leadership does recognize this and hence why a spree of defense manufacting deals with the KSA, UAE, and India began during the Scholz chancellorship). That is the only way Germany can actually build strategic autonomy.

            • wqaatwta day ago
              If Germany acquires nuclear weapons it would be through direct cooperation with France/Britain, nothing else would make sense. So that speed up the process significantly and alleviate some of the concerns.
              • alephnerda day ago
                Yep, and that leads to the same problems we are seeing on the European continent today - a lack of strategic autonomy leading to a lack of defensibility.

                If a country like Germany or Poland wants to build a credible nuclear program that actually has deterrence, then they would need a completely domestically supply chain and vendor for most of their delivery systems, because poltical winds change, and despite the current alignment over Ukraine, countries like France, Germany, and Poland continue to clash over foreign and economic policy (eg. Germany undermining the next-gen tank deal for France, France undermining Eurofighter to protect Dassault, Poland directly opposing sending troops to Ukraine despite France pushing to start a peacekeeping mission in Ukraine).

                And this is one of the various reasons why Germany and Poland have not seriously considered a nuclear program during the current defense rush.

            • croes2 days ago
              Germany can't build nuclear weapons without breaking the Two Plus Four Agreement.
              • vkou2 days ago
                And Russia can't invade Ukraine without breaking a few other agreements, yet here we are.

                The US has made it clear that European security is a European problem.

                • croesa day ago
                  I think to take Russia as an example is a bad idea especially when the development takes years. Too much time for opponents to react without the benefits of the agreement breaking
                  • dragonwritera day ago
                    It clearly doesn't work if Germany is universally opposed. But if, say, France and the UK and major non-US NATO/EU conventional powers like Poland are supportive of the move and see it as sharing the burden of regional security, then I think the calculus changes.
                    • alephnerda day ago
                      Poland has the same problem as Germany if not worse, as their domestic space industry is further behind Germany's and Poland directly borders Russia and Belarus, so there is no buffer.

                      Most non-nuclear European states cannot go nuclear today as they lack the ability to concurrently rush second strike and nuclear triad capacity without being pulled into a conventional war.

                      The only major non-nuclear European states I can think of that have this capacity are Turkiye (unsurprising due to competition with Russia, Iran, KSA, and Israel) and Spain (significant MIC that has experience and exports in the Mediterranean - and often competed with the French because of Spanish MIC's co-sell deals with Turkiye).

                      Reality is, most European countries are 5-10 years behind Asian and Middle Eastern regional powers in rearming - all of whom began in the 2010-14 period due to crises such as South/East China Sea, Himalayas, Syria, Myanmar, Donbass-Crimea, and Libya.

                      European leaders recognize this, and hence why there has been a flurry of Asia and EMEA defense deals over the past 6 months to help raise capital to begin rebuilding manufacturing capacity, but European HN/Redditors do not realize this (though I've tried bringing up).

                      The fact that the largest shareholder and launch partner for Europe's replacement for Starlink in Ukraine - Eutelsat Group and Eutelsat OneWeb - is an Indian government aligned conglomerate (Bharti Airtel) starkly shows this issue.

                      European states that aren't UK, France, Turkiye, and maybe Spain will have to rebuild their conventional capabilities in aerospace, space, naval, and land defense tech first before they can even consider a nuclear option.

                      • wqaatwta day ago
                        Poland and Germany can just have Ariane make their rockets. Why would they need a local domestic aero-space industry?

                        That seems hardly relevant considering that other European countries realistically can only acquire nuclear weapons if they have political support from France/UK. In those cases French/British companies would be more than willing to sell whatever equipment they need as well (that’s how Britain got Trident after all..)

                        • alephnerda day ago
                          > Poland and Germany can just have Ariane make their rockets. Why would they need a local domestic aero-space industry?

                          Because then you don't actually have autonomy.

                          If Germany or Poland are dependent on ArianeGroup, then they are dependent on France, who will have a final say on deployment and utilization of it's technology in an offensive manner, and Germany, Poland, and France often don't see eye to eye.

                          > those cases French/British companies would be more than willing to sell whatever equipment they need as well

                          And those sales come with stipulations and shutdown options from the French and British government (the Germans do the same with their own weapons programs such as Eurofighter).

                          In general, a country like Germany or Poland just cannot fully build a nuclear weapons program that could be deterrent, and the money either would spend on such a program just doesn't make sense when there is much lower hanging fruit in conventional warfare.

                          • wqaatwta day ago
                            So Britain doesn’t have autonomy either considering their missiles were made by Lockhead Martin?

                            However my point is that Germany or Poland developing nuclear weapons without direct support of Britain/France is not even worth discussing. It would be infeasible due to a variety of political/military/economic/other reasons. I don’t think that it’s something even would be considering even semi seriously at this point.

                            Realistically some More centralized EU based nuclear weapon sharing program might be feasible but it’s very far away at this point.

      • s1artibartfast17 hours ago
        Japan has been 6 months away from being able to launch a nuclear warhead since the 90s, and has a plutonium stockpile sufficient for 6,000 warheads.

        Why would they need warheads on standby?

  • xutopia2 days ago
    I wished that this were a documentary in video format. It is fascinating what this article is saying.
  • lawgimeneza day ago
    I got lost in the article, but how did the UK intelligence got wind on the spies?
  • CaffeineLD502 days ago
    Wow. The headline seemed like click bait but seeing who is involved this seems to be no hyperbole.

    I'd say it takes balls of stainless steel to doxx Putin's hitmen.

    And he doesn't back down.

    This is next level bad-ass.

    Damn.

  • worik2 days ago
    What clowns

    This what happens when despots concentrate power in their hands

    When professionalism matters less than loyalty, the professionals become scarce

    In the 1950s there was Soviet ideology that meant something. Now there is loyalty to Putin.

    Makes me weep to see the same thing happening in the USA. Ideology can be problematic (I do not miss the Bolsheviks) but loyalty to the Big Man is much more random, and worse

    • Ray202 days ago
      >In the 1950s there was Soviet ideology that meant something. Now there is loyalty to Putin.

      No, there wasn't. Soviet ideology that meant something died under Lenin, and already Stalin in those aspects of loyalty to the Big Man were way more demanding and intolerant, then Putin.

      • wqaatwta day ago
        Lenin adopted (or lied about adopting) whatever policies he felt would allow him to get into power and then keep it. That was his only real ideology.

        Not that different from Stalin or Putin, I don’t really get why is that silly idea that Lenin was somehow “purer” still so ingrained…

        • Ray2019 hours ago
          Lenin wrote, like, 20 billion books and articles about his ideology. And no, you generally doesn't need 20 billion books and articles to get into power and then keep it.

          Compare him with Stalin, who even read with difficulty, or with Putin, who wrote one and a half articles on history.

          • wqaatwt16 hours ago
            In that sense perhaps he was more similar to someone like Hitler, that’s true. But the amount of content he published hardly related to his actual actions. He was a power seeking pragmatist above all else (ideological concerns were usually secondary).
    • saalweachter2 days ago
      > In the 1950s there was Soviet ideology that meant something.

      You mean, after Stalin died in '53?

    • realusernamea day ago
      The soviet ideology was just a coat of paint, functionnally, it was the same as Putin.
  • ineedasernamea day ago
    What’s this half-baked spy thriller draft doing on HN’s front page? Plot’s a mess. I squinted at the Bulgarians intro but kept going—until, seriously, nerve toxin in underwear.

    If this is supposed to be an Austin Powers reboot, the whole script needs a rethink—though at least that’d explain the lack of coherence.

    Then again, filing the serial numbers off a beloved franchise to pitch fanfic probably won’t get far in an editor’s slush pile.

    Then again... again, maybe it’s not slush, just GPT slop, which honestly explains more than the Austin Powers sequel theory

    • stef25a day ago
      > nerve toxin in underwear.

      This fact came from one of the people who was involved in putting it there. Navalny phoned a Russian guy pretending to be another Russian official, asked him how this op went down and the dude said the toxin was in his underwear. You can see this all in the documentary.

      Your attitude is misplaced, so much that one wonders why you're posting this.

      • ineedasernamea day ago
        I'm sorry, I should have falsed my flag better. I was poking fun at reality for plagiarising the fabulists.
        • stef25a day ago
          No clue what you're trying to say ...
          • ineedasername18 hours ago
            reality plagiarising fiction writers. Because underwear toxin is bizarre to the point of "wait, was that from an Austin Powers movie?"
            • type015 hours ago
              Not that bizarre really, friends and family often borrow coats/t-shirts etc from each other but not underwear.
    • etc-hostsa day ago
      I usually mentally poop on anything written by Michael Weiss's media operation (theins.press is a Michael Weiss joint) but "placing Novichok in Alexai Navaly's underwear" is how Navaly was originally poisoned.
  • thgsF1792 days ago
    This article needs an editor. I've no problems believing that Marsalek is a Russian agent, but Bellingcat is of course funded by the National Endowment for Democracy ...

    Scandals in Germany are frequent. Olaf Scholz was investigated in the cum-ex scandal, von der Leyen in the McKinsey German army affair (von der Leyen had ruined the German army and has now a big mouth for rearmament).

    In general and not related to these specific cases, certain actions by certain politicians are easier to explain if a third party has kompromat on them.

    • astrange2 days ago
      > I've no problems believing that Marsalek is a Russian agent, but Bellingcat is of course funded by the National Endowment for Democracy ...

      One of the most consistently useful lessons I've learned online is that you can spot uninformed low-trust dismissals because they're always based on how someone is "funded" by someone else or advise "following the money" but their theory of how this works either doesn't exist or is obviously wrong.

      Very common in /r/science for instance. They won't read a paper or check if it's preregistered etc. but they will complain if it was sponsored by someone at all associated with the topic of the paper.

      • not2b2 days ago
        The National Endowment for Democracy was only one of many sources of funding for Bellingcat, and apparently a minor one. They used Kickstarter to get off the ground, and most of the grants listed on Wikipedia appear to be European. They get a lot of contributions from individuals as well.

        See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bellingcat#Funding_and_support

    • JumpCrisscross2 days ago
      > I've no problems believing that Marsalek is a Russian agent, but Bellingcat is of course funded by the National Endowment for Democracy

      One, in part. Two, are you challenging Bellingcat’s credibility? On what grounds other than affiliation? They’ve been pretty spot on with all of their calls to my recollection.

      Three, if you don’t like Bellingcat, maybe check out Marsalek’s Wikipedia page’s source list before creating a throwaway account to post a comment.

      • MaxPock2 days ago
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        • JumpCrisscross2 days ago
          What are you calling out? Note that there is a difference between being wrong on a forecast with a low confidence interval and making shit up and not posting corrections.
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    • hengheng2 days ago
      > von der Leyen had ruined the German army

      Not on her own, and not during her time. From what I understand, she felt she needed those external consultants to cut through the noise of her own org. Which had become known as an ineffective, design-by-committee place with no purpose other than to cover ones own asses.

      Running that place (BMVg and Baainbw) was famous for being an unwinnable job. I dont love VdL, but I don't think this should be construed as her career failure.

    • wadim2 days ago
      > but Bellingcat is of course funded by the National Endowment for Democracy ...

      Spooky! No need to be coy, say what you are implying.

      Additionally, do you have a source that they ARE being funded solely by NED (which is currently impossible anyway) and didn't just receive some funding that one time? Not sure what advantage they gain being such an obvious "CIA front", but I'm also not playing 5D chess.

      • 4hagstR2 days ago
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        • wadim2 days ago
          Wanna hear my theory? The FSB employs trolls to try undermine anyone who is critical of the great Russian regime by posting stupid conspiracy theories online. They often have to create new accounts, because old ones get banned quickly and frequently.

          3 people, 2 of whom have accounts created just today for this thread, post something negatve towards Bellingcat without any proof. Crazy coincidence.

          • iuyhtgbd2 days ago
            Those "two" new accounts are probably the same person, I'm sure that paid trolls occasionally drop in on HN, but HN has plenty of native trolls doing it for the love of the game (or out of sincere ideological commitment).
          • z23e872 days ago
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          • 4uzasdZ2 days ago
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            • dralley2 days ago
              Creating endless quantities of new accounts isn't a great way to demonstrate how he's the sockpuppet.
          • 4jahdg2 days ago
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            • OKRainbowKid2 days ago
              "Ukrainian online dominance" I haven't heard that one before.
        • MaxPock2 days ago
          It's common knowledge that Bellingcat is a CIA/MI6 operation to peddle anti Russia propaganda.This is not even debatable
          • wqaatwta day ago
            Even if they receive support from CIA/MI6 what’s wrong about that?

            > peddle anti Russia propaganda

            Not sure what you are trying to say. Just reporting straight facts with no embellishment is more than enough to 100% discredit the Russian government (both domestically and internationally) in the eyes of any at least marginally sane person. The fact that this isn’t working says more about the people consuming that information than those doing the “peddling”.

            You are trying to push this stupid narrative that “both sides are bad so nothing means anything” which is just silly..

            • AlexeyBelov9 hours ago
              You're arguing, or attempting to, with a bot. They very rarely reply or provide any info besides shallow swipes.