218 pointsby Tomte3 days ago14 comments
  • atoav3 days ago
    Serious question: Why on earth is this flagged?

    I thought sharing strategies against authoritarianism would be as free speech, open discourse as it gets. Open discourse as promoted here on this site is among the first targets in any authoritarian society.

    We tech people should be merit based — vuess which form of society prevents exactly this? Suddenly instead of appointing the manager of a nuclear plant based on merit, they are appointed based on their loyalty to the regime. This may have huge impact for us tech people.

    I am aware that some in the US may see anti-authoritarianism as "partisan", but if you immediately think the people whose line you tow are meant when someone mentions how to deal with $BADTHING, the thing boiling your blood shouldn't be them mentioning $BADTHING, the thing boiling your blood should be that those whose line you tow got you to defend $BADTHING. And you know it is bad, because otherwise you wouldn't try to shoot the messenger.

    Edit: If you disagree or think the flag is deserved, I'd be curious to hear your perspective

    • mostlysimilar3 days ago
      For starters: I agree with you.

      The guidelines for Hacker News (https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html) state that they don't want "political" topics posted here, and prefer topics that "good hackers find interesting" and that foster constructive discourse.

      These topics do tend to create a lot of low-signal posts and I think there's a certain contingent of HN users who flag for that reason. I think there are also a contingent of users who flag these topics because they are, to put it bluntly, trying to censor them for ideological reasons.

      The latter group is beyond help. The former I think would do well to wake up to the state of the world and use the considerable reach of HN to wake others up.

      "Good hackers" will be having considerably less interesting conversations under an authoritarian regime, and by that point it'll be too late.

      • tarsinge2 days ago
        Problem is the latter group includes Ycombinator and their investors. The hypocrisy is many are actively meddling with politics and working with the current administration.
    • thinkingemote3 days ago
      In general, have a look at one of the many comments dang has written about why submissions are flagged, particularly lately. https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=dang

      Wrt this comment and submission: Maybe people don't like their blood boiling here?

      I suspect that people are not asking why it's flagged to understand why but rather stating that they disagree with the flagging, but I might be wrong...

      As the guidelines say, comments about downvotes and flagging are to be avoided generally. I'm commenting because it's already flagged and only few will see the negative impact of my boring comment! I hope it leads some to more understanding and away from fear anyhow.

      Given there are many questions about flagging by invested users, answering them would be indeed tedious!

      • atoav2 days ago
        I do not disagree that discussing flags is generally uninteresting and it would be intellectually dishonest to exclude this case, just because I happen to differ here.

        But I do think discussion of this topic is relevant for our shared (hacker) culture and I explained why, so this isn't just questioning the flagging, it also offers a on topic thought.

        And given the current times (not only in the US) this is a relevant topic for every citizen that wants to keep their society non-authoritarian and merit based.

        There is a cost to having heated discussions on HN — but there is also a cost to not having them in some cases. I argue that this is one of those.

        Rules are important and make this place what it is, but it is more important to act in the spirit of the rules than by the letter.

    • hayst4ck3 days ago
      dang wants hacker news to be a curious place and politics is generally not a very curious topic. The first 70% of posts on this thread were anti-intellectual trump supporters.

      He's worried HN will become a battlefield, and it will be, just like businesses and universities will also be a battlefield as people are coerced into supporting systems they don't believe in.

      Where he's wrong is that once authoritarian regimes are done replacing societies enforcers with loyalists, such as the military and police officers, what comes next is sources that influence disobedient thought, and curiosity is fundamentally disobedient. Curiosity has no meaning without objective truth, and curiosity can't be practiced without questioning authority.

      HN is oligarch owned and funded, so neutrality implicitly supports HN's patron.

      dang has to make the choice all liberal people have to make (and curiosity is a very very liberal goal), and that's to participate in a system of loyalty towards PG and let HN be a place that implicitly supports this coup through inaction, or to dissent and instead support the value of curiosity in the long term, by letting hacker news be a platform that propagates dissenting news, rather than a platform that limits it and keeps the platforms users inside of the "approved" bubble of thought.

      It's always easier to do nothing, and it's always hard to fight for a world you want to live in.

      No political system exists without cercion, you just have to make sure the coercion serves a higher purpose, like curiosity, rather than a man.

  • evrimoztamur3 days ago
    On the flipside of this: To understand how to establish, retain, and fail in running your authoritarian regime, I found The Dictator's Handbook by Alastair Smith and Bruce Bueno de Mesquita a very fun read. Although repetitive at times (as history often does so itself), it gives a systems-oriented framework of how power concentrates as it does, and various outcomes we get out of it. Definitely in line with the way of thinking most HNers appreciate.
    • hayst4ck3 days ago
      CGP Grey did a video on this that is very much worth watching for anyone interested in politics: https://www.cgpgrey.com/blog/rules-for-rulers

      On youtube there is also another video where he talks about making this video that I found more interesting than the video itself.

      One of the more interesting points he made is that in order to get into power you generally have to be given that power, but to be given that power, you must show loyalty to the power structure. Loyality is corruption and corruption is loyalty, at least when that loyalty is to a person. So corruptibility/loyalty is intrinsically related to being in a position of power.

      The summary of all of that is the only time good things happen is when you yourself get into a position of power and choose to use it for good, rather than for purely selfish reasons.

      • disqard3 days ago
        > to be given that power, you must show loyalty to the power structure.

        This is a gem! Thank you for sharing it.

        It also ties in with Venkatesh's "Gervais Principle", where, as we ascend the corporate hierarchy, we see "losers" --> "clueless" --> "sociopaths".

        The highest echelons of corporate structure are indeed occupied by the kinds of people who are comfortable swearing allegiance to the corporation itself, not to its customers, its employees, its founding values, or some "greater good for society". Thus do we arrive at a world where these corps are headed by people who truly believe in "maximizing shareholder value".

        • hayst4ck3 days ago
          If you like that, you will also like Pournelle's iron law of bureaucracy:

          https://www.jerrypournelle.com/reports/jerryp/iron.html

        • red-iron-pine3 days ago
          > The highest echelons of corporate structure are indeed occupied by the kinds of people who are comfortable swearing allegiance to the corporation itself, not to its customers, its employees, its founding values, or some "greater good for society". Thus do we arrive at a world where these corps are headed by people who truly believe in "maximizing shareholder value".

          I think you're misreading his interpretation. The Sociopaths enter and exit at will by feigning loyalty and interest to the corporation but ultimately they're not loyal to the corporation -- just loyal enough to maneuver around the power structures. once those structures are no longer useful they either break them, or jump ship, as evidenced by one of the minor-character managers in The Office.

          those actually loyal to the company itself are the Clueless, who stick around even when it is clear the company isn't looking out for them, the customers, or much of anything.

          • disqard3 days ago
            Thank you for adding that nuance.
  • sz4kerto3 days ago
    Every single of these is happening in Hungary today. Literally.
    • vaylian3 days ago
      Thank you for sharing. I'm in particular interested in what happens to women and minorities in Hungary. Can you tell us what the situation is like?
      • Freak_NL3 days ago
        Search for 'abortion hungary' or 'hungary lgbti' in media like The Guardian for a general overview of Orbán's Hungary:

        'Budapest Pride should be held indoors for ‘child protection’, says Orbán official'

        'Hungary tightens abortion access with listen to ‘foetal heartbeat’ rule'

        I'm more interested in knowing if there are any glimmers of hope left in Hungary.

        • npteljes3 days ago
          >I'm more interested in knowing if there are any glimmers of hope left in Hungary.

          Absolutely. In my opinion, our lifeline is the EU, as much as Orban is a pain in the ass for them. I believe that as long as Hungary is part of such international organizations, and I'm counting the NATO here as well, Orban can't cross certain borders, or at least not without repercussions, and I believe that he doesn't want any, since his whole shtick is to capitalize on these relations. For example, the same developments would have been (are?) much more scarier in Turkiye, or Belarus.

      • npteljes3 days ago
        My POV and experience: ongoing marginalization.

        According to propaganda, Orban is building a family-friendly place. This is proclaimed loudly in the media, and at points where you enter the country (like metal signs saying "Welcome to the family friendly Hungary").

        These family values is the usual alt-right dogwhistle, however. Same as how it's used in the US: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_values#Organizations . In reality, the systems that actually support families, healthcare and education, are more strained than ever, due to the gov increasing their responsibility, and underfunding them constantly.

        Couples are pushed to marry and have children, by providing discounted loans for them, if they sign contracts that they will bear children. Up to three, the more children they sign up for, the higher the loan will be.

        They have amended the hungarian constitution to say explicitly that the mother is a woman, and the father is a man. The particular part now reads: "Hungary protects the institution of marriage as a voluntary union between a man and a woman, and the family as the basis for the survival of the nation. The basis of the family relationship is marriage and the parent-child relationship. The mother is a woman, the father is a man."

        "The West" and progressive societal values are actively framed as harmful propaganda that intends to destabilize the country. Values like supporting women and lgbt+, supporting investigative journalism, having a look on migration as anything other than "very harmful".

        Abortion laws are strictened. They included things like the mother having to listen to the fetus' heartbeat, before agreeing to the abortion procedure. Frankly, I think this is so evil, that I have a very hard time not to write something that wishes active harm towards these people.

        Doctors don't take women seriously, and are often hostile or degrading towards them. This is not a politically directed issue, rather the result of the previous 50-100 years of political climates. For example, a female friend of mine went to a regular checkup, where the PRIVATE, for-profit gynecologist asked her if she has children, and when she said that she doesn't, and that they don't plan to have children with her husband, the doctor recommended that she reconsider, and that he can organize it that she gets pregnant, despite what the husband wants.

        Hungary has a significant Roma minority. Many of the Roma people live below the poverty line, and their relation to the Hungarian population, government and law enforcement is a systemic, centuries-old issue. The current government does exactly nothing for them, nor in the short term nor towards their long-term well-being, but uses public figures of their culture to signal their support and association, and buys their votes with cheap gestures right before the elections.

        LGBT people, and issues are not just marginalized, but the movement is branded as something that actively destroys society. LGBT families are regarded as unfit to raise children, they can be life partners with some of the marriage benefits, but not in a recognized marriage, and the Pride parade has been floated as something to be outlawed just this year.

        These are just from the top of my head, in 30 minutes. Please feel free to ask any follow-up questions or proof, or post clarifications and corrections, I'm sure there are mistakes, and I don't intend to have any, as the well-being of my fellows is dear to my heart. Thanks for reading.

        • vaylian3 days ago
          Thanks for the extensive answer. I don't come across news from Hungary much which is why I really appreciate these insights.
        • npteljes3 days ago
          I would like to invite downvoters to elaborate on their perspective.
    • tasuki3 days ago
      I've always admired Hungary and Hungarians. Very prodigious people. Neumann, Erdős, Teller, Szilard, Grove, Simonyi. Is there a country that breeds more geniuses per capita? How comes Hungary's political situation came to this?
      • SSLy3 days ago
        moscow invaded them after WW2 and caused their power class to rot.
        • clydethefrog3 days ago
          Before that, there was already a pattern of Hungary regularly rebelling at the reformist movement in the Austria-Hungary empire.
    • saxonww3 days ago
      I didn't read them all, but I read enough to think they were lying about it being tweets from 2017. It reads like someone asked ChatGPT to summarize current political news in the US.
      • Terr_3 days ago
        History may not repeat, but it absolutely rhymes. If had a nickel for every time I heard about a government proposing to round up and deport thousands of people to a special island just so that their normal Constitution rules wouldn't apply, I'd have two nickels--which isn't a lot, but it's weird it happened twice.
        • mschuster913 days ago
          Unfortunately, remote detention camps to "keep the homeland clean" are nothing new, they are tried and tested.

          Here in Europe, we have had the UK and Italy actively pursuing rounding up migrants and deporting them to Ruanda/Albania until their claims are processed, and Australia has been doing this for decades now on Nauru and other places.

          • roenxi3 days ago
            Possibly the migrants could enter the country using the approved legal process instead of just wandering in?

            It isn't reasonable to expect countries to have a generous welfare system, accept all arrivals and exist on the same planet at the billion-odd people who live on a few dollars a day. Something has to give. I vote the welfare system but keep getting overruled; so one of the other two has to go. And we don't have the space tech to pick option 3.

            • Terr_3 days ago
              > Possibly the migrants could enter the country using the approved legal process

              At least for America, many if not also the majority did just that... And then overstayed the time limit, which is a civil infraction in the same category as a parking ticket.

              Republicans have proposed a special "come deport me" registry where not-signing-up is itself a felony, as a roundabout way to retroactively criminalize things.

            • mschuster913 days ago
              > Possibly the migrants could enter the country using the approved legal process instead of just wandering in?

              For Germany, there is no legal way to enter the country if you're not caught by one of the larger dragnets (evacuation of personnel in Afghanistan, EU-wide assistance for Ukrainians and a few other rare international resettlement efforts). You are not able to apply for asylum outside of Germany, you cannot fly to Germany without a visa (the airline just won't take you as a passenger).

              On paper yes you have the right to claim asylum. In practice, you have no way that doesn't make you commit at least one felony along the way.

              • Terr_3 days ago
                > You are not able to apply for asylum outside of Germany

                Same in the US, you literally can't apply for asylum until you enter the country.

              • roenxi3 days ago
                Germany: We don't want you!

                People: [Let's go to Germany]

                Germany: Get out.

                People: How dare you round us up and deport us.

                I know nearly nothing about German law, but I going by what you write if Germany doesn't make it legal to enter the country, then no surprise the people who try anyway run the risk of being deported. I have enormous sympathy for them, but the fact is Germany is famous for having a big welfare system. That means people can't just wander in.

                • mschuster913 days ago
                  The thing for us to do would be to not make it necessary for people to flee in the first place. Feeding them in Africa is cheaper than feeding them here, the 2015 migration movement was largely caused because of a 100M $ shortfall in UNHCR / UNWFP food supply.
      • taneliv3 days ago
        The article is from 2018. Here's Internet Archive's first copy of the article: https://web.archive.org/web/20180326213902/https://verfassun... .
      • vitorgrs3 days ago
        It's true. Here is the tweet from January 25, 2017

        https://x.com/mycielski/status/824105749823574016

  • hayst4ck3 days ago
    Timothy Snyder wrote a book on resisting authoritarian regimes: On Tyranny.

    He also did a reading of each chapter on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLhZxrogyToZsllfRqQlly...

  • lippihom3 days ago
    This was nice to read through - not sure why it's flagged. Doesn't seem to qualify as rage bait like other stuff dang has pointed at recently.
  • october81403 days ago
    I've seen a few of these kinds of posts. They are good but is there a "definitive" source that is published or something?
  • jfengel3 days ago
    Don’t let them divide you – remember you’re one People, one Nation, with one common good.

    No, we aren't. We had a war about that.

    In the wake of that war, we tried really hard to pretend otherwise. We made a "Pledge of Allegiance", which reminded us that we are "one nation indivisible".

    And that lasted for a few decades. Then they literally divided that: "one nation, under God, indivisible". It deliberately excluded a lot of Americans who disagree about God, and obscured the meaning of the phrase.

    The authoritarians are not an outside force, or a small minority. They are a huge fraction of the country who considers the rest of us Not Real Americans. We can't not be divided from them -- unless, perhaps, by joining them as authoritarians ourselves. If they'd even have us.

  • ivxvm3 days ago
    3-7 and 9-12 is everyday life in Ukraine.
  • galimalint3 days ago
    [flagged]
    • NegatioN3 days ago
      I guess I'll take the bait. If it's "pretty clear" that all of these are wins to you, then I think you might be part of the other extreme pole to what you're arguing happens here. Leaving all nuance behind doesn't really help the discussion.

      For example: I'm excited to see how trade wars with the world turns out for the US, but I'm not sure it's a guaranteed win.

    • fmnxl3 days ago
      People portray everything in terms of the ideological war between "democracy" vs "authoritarianism", fitting everything into that narrative even when it doesn't make sense.

      It's a nice, simple, easy way to understand what's happening around us, who's good and bad, yet deeply flawed.

      • hayst4ck3 days ago
        There is the theoretical understanding, and then there is how it meshes with reality.

        The theoretical understanding is that we are in an ideological war. If you strip away all the nuance and ask for a high level understanding of what is happening right now, that is happening right now.

        When meshed into reality it is a bit more complicated... neither side of our government is on the side of democracy. One is straight fascist, the other is in favor of a corporate state or oligarchy. Both party's power primarily comes from news media (oligarch owned) and from legalized bribery (the richest have the most power), so neither can challenge oligarchic power, because oligarchic power is where their power comes from. The fascist party is currently in the process of giving themselves power by replacing enforcement institutions with loyalists. Once all the people who enforce the law are loyalists, they can decide what the law is, and then it's no longer people with money who have all the power, but people the enforcers of "law" are loyal to.

        Neither party can fight oligarchy because to fight oligarchy is to disempower themselves. Bernie and AOC might be the only exceptions.

    • alabastervlog3 days ago
      They’re doing the salute (more than just Musk) and the rest aren’t running away from the ones who do.

      I call them Nazis because they claimed the label, about as unambiguously as possible.

      • briandear3 days ago
        [flagged]
        • hayst4ck3 days ago
          There's been about 4 different CPAC/prominent conservative figures who have sieg heiled on stages in front of Trump supporters. The most prominent after Elon was likely Steve Bannon, who didn't even put his hand on his heart. He just straight sieg heiled and smirked at the amount of consequences he knows he isn't going to experience.
          • gitaarik2 days ago
            [flagged]
            • hayst4ck2 days ago
              It was not, but anyone can judge for themselves:

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VfYjPzj1Xw&t=18s

              • gitaarik2 days ago
                I don't see the logic of the theory that he's secretly a nazi, but does a nazi salute in public. In what way is he a nazi exactly? And even if he secretly is, what would it help to do a nazi salute in public? I think nazi'ism is generally looked down upon. But this theory makes it sound like all Republicans are secretly nazi and they all do nazi salute in secret to each other. I don't buy that.
                • gitaarika day ago
                  It's actually a silly theory by people who are out of proper arguments.
    • CGamesPlay3 days ago
      Those things may be true, but he also has signed executive orders directly overstepping the judiciary and legislative branches (e.g. 14160 / birthright citizenship reinterprets the text of the constitution; 14159 / suspending illegal alien rights directly overrides a law passed by congress). He also uses his authority to stop criminal investigations into himself and his loyal supporters (sources 1-4), and he uses his supporter base to illegally threaten his enemies (note: he does not do anything illegal, it's the supporters who do), sources 5-7.

      The policy decisions aren't why Trump is being called a dictator and a nazi.

      [1] domestic abuse arrest warrant not granted https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/controve...

      [2] corruption investigation dropped https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/trump-je...

      [3] corruption investigation dropped https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politic...

      [4] campaign finance investigation dropped https://www.tennessean.com/story/news/politics/2025/01/31/an...

      [5] "credible death threats" https://www.vanityfair.com/news/story/trump-congress-politic...

      [6] "at least one gentleman who went to prison for making threats" https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/feb/27/republicans-...

      [7] "subjected to waves of Maga attacks" https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/feb/16/donald...

      • galimalint3 days ago
        And yet in many cases, his orders have been struck down by the courts. Where's the dictatorship?

        Biden pardoned his entire family. Is he a dictator?

        • dendrite93 days ago
          I think there is a decent distinction between a pardon in the last days of power and actions taken in the beginning of a term.
        • CGamesPlay3 days ago
          Biden pardoning his own family may be unethical, but it wasn't illegal. Similarly, Trump directing his DoJ not to prosecute his political allies is (probably) legal, but I hope we can both agree that it is unethical.

          Pardoning is a legal power given to the presidents. The executive orders are being stuck down by the courts because they are found to be illegal.

    • dralley3 days ago
      Imagine still talking about "Trump Derangement Syndrome" while "The King" goes on rants about invading Greenland and posts AI videos of Saddam-esque gold statues of himself in "Trump Gaza", all while he wrecks every international relationship we have, turns the economy into chaos, and puts Kash Patel and Dan Bongino on charge of the FBI, after which they openly started dropping investigations against politicians (Eric Adams) contingent on their cooperation with his agenda.

      That is a not even close to exhaustive list of only things that have happened in the past two weeks.

      And like fuck it's not like recent history is all that counts. January 6th 2021

      • hayst4ck3 days ago
        > Trump Derangement Syndrome

        This is much much more dangerous than you realize. When Russia invaded Ukraine, killing people's families and torturing those who resist in Bucha, "russophobia" was the word Putin used. When China does something evil and people rightfuly don't like it, china calls that "sinophobia."

        These are words that mean there will be no compromise. It's a word that directly represents a state of war. "It's a sickness, so there is no way to reason, the only thing we can do is use force."

        These "sicknesses" are a clever linguistic tool. They flip cause and effect. It frames criticism as irrational hatred so that the accusers can see themselves as victims. It dismisses problems with trump as blind hatred and directly ignores any harms caused by Trump.

        TDS is straight out of the Russian propaganda playbook.

      • galimalint3 days ago
        [flagged]
        • kmos173 days ago
          It’s an understatement to say Canada is extremely displeased at this, it will cost the US billions in lost trade and tourism. And for what? The trade deficit if you take out oil exports from Canada to the US is actually in favor of the US. Many American jobs will be lost because of this.

          That trust and relationship will not be rebuilt easily, you vastly underestimate the damage and cost that will come from all the ill will being generated.

          Words from a president are not just words, they carry weight, but now that tariffs are actually in effect we can see plain as day the first part of him carrying to execution his reckless and completely senseless ideas.

          • galimalint3 days ago
            Trump administration most likely has calculated and knows that shrinking $200 billion in trade deficit with Canada outweighs the downside of lost trade and tourism from Canada.

            You speak of favor to US and trust and relationship, but that's really inconsequential in the face of $200 billion in trade deficit.

            • kmos173 days ago
              The U.S. goods trade deficit with Canada was $63.3 billion in 2024, a 1.4 percent decrease ($926.9 million) over 2023.

              source: https://ustr.gov/countries-regions/americas/canada#:~:text=C...

              And again what will be gained? What is the problem exactly you think our genius president will fix?

              Canadians are massively boycotting the US, in addition to being the US’s largest export market they are the number one source of tourism to the US.

              Canada is the top source of international visitors to the United States, with 20.4 million visits in 2024, generating $20.5 billion in spending and supporting 140,000 American jobs. A 10% reduction in Canadian travel could mean 2.0 million fewer visits, $2.1 billion in lost spending and 14,000 job losses.

              All this is just dumb and reckless, but not surprising coming from a business man who managed to bankrupt casinos

        • anonzzzies3 days ago
          If you think it's ok for a leader of the biggest power in the world to joke and say random things that are lies while blackmailing ex-allies into 'negotiations' and helping russia win an invasion on sovereign territory that US and others promised to protect for not having nukes anymore in 1994, you must be special indeed.
          • galimalint3 days ago
            You are pretty special indeed if you can't see that Russia and Ukraine are currently in a stalemate that could drag on for years.
            • munksbeer3 days ago
              That is true, but unrelated to the point. Why has Russia invaded Ukraine?
            • anonzzzies3 days ago
              Sure, but that's not a reason to help the agressor instead of the victim.
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          • gitaarik2 days ago
            Come on, every president lies. What does it matter if they're a clown or not. At least with Trump it's obvious, and it's not so hypocritical.
            • AlecSchueler2 days ago
              It's not obvious, though, that's the problem. Everything he says he will do is a joke until it's not.
        • teekert3 days ago
          I consider myself to be quite the socialist. Would probably vote democrat in a two party system like that of the US (where I live I can choose between about a dozen parties, the largest of which will then, together, govern). But I also listen to Joe Rogan from time to time, just out of curiosity. It helps me see “the other side” as the kind humans that they are.
          • relaxing3 days ago
            You listened to Rogan and your takeaway was “kind human”?
            • gitaarik2 days ago
              Yeah me too. I think most people that don't like Rogan is because they never actually listened to him, but only heard controversial things about him.
            • teekert3 days ago
              For sure, yours wasn't? He has some weird takes on aliens, but I can see how conservatives see him as a good example for their children on topics like social media use, taking care of your body and mind through sports and socials gatherings, based a lot on traditional christian values. I think it is very easy to take what he says out of context and thus find it important to listen to his whole podcast from time to time.

              I'm not a christian, in fact I went through a rioting-atheism phase when I was young. But I'm older now, I see the good sides of religion, along with the bad sides, which makes me understand what they desire.

              He remarked (in an interview with Adam Curry) that he'd give Harris a fair chance, was interested in her as a person, would, in an interview, try to show the world her best human side. I believe that he would have.

              Before they blocked it over here I read Russia Today every now and then (sure I can set proton-vpn to exit in Albania and still read it but I don't really bother anymore). Yes it's propaganda, but the fear of NATO is palpable and reading RT breeds understanding for the people that get fed this news on a daily basis, even though it goes against my own worldviews.

              Trying to explain the world-view of this other side usually gets me flagged here, as if I somehow say that that side is better. I don't feel it that way. There are some online communities that welcome this open type of discussion. It is my opinion that is is important to engage in such open discussions

              • relaxing3 days ago
                Out of curiosity, what are they afraid NATO will do? When Turkey has been there at their border for 75 years? I hear this but I never see anyone describe the threat behind it.
                • teekert3 days ago
                  Well, why don’t you read RT for some time and find out? It’s very subtle. It will also help you spot patterns in our own press.
    • teekert3 days ago
      I think that a right-wing American that reads this can even think it is about the left. They are already that divided. I agree that this is not (or no longer) a place to discuss these things, or play “devils” advocate, or steelmanning the other side, it will be seen as gaslighting. Your post will be buried.
    • mjmcau3 days ago
      Youth is typically left leaning, and hn is a young crowd.
      • hayst4ck3 days ago
        The educated are typically left leaning and that was the most decisive demographic for whether someone voted for trump or not in 2016.
      • dragonwriter3 days ago
        Men are conservative more than liberal at every age band, and HN is an extremely male crowd.
        • Freedom23 days ago
          Are there any published statistics or measures to back up your claim? Out of curiosity, of course.
  • huijzer3 days ago
    > They will distort the truth, deny facts and blatantly lie. They will try to make you forget what facts are, sedate your need to find the truth. They will feed “post-truths” and “alternative facts”, replace knowledge and logic with emotions and fiction.

    Having followed the news/social media for a while while also having read a lot about electric cars, this statement is true already. Most articles or posts about EVs “distort the truth, deny facts and blatantly lie”. Sometimes with some basic knowledge and math you can easily spot the flaws in the article, but the articles are often so drenched in emotion that it’s hard to keep rational.

  • metacritic123 days ago
    Is this really an authoritarian regime survival guide or a not-too-hidden jab at the Trump presidency?

    Like I don't see too many of the items applying to classically authoritarian regimes like China.

    Let's apply the guide's own advice:

    > Always think critically, fact-check and point out the truth, expose ignorance with facts.

    The guide after all is written by Eastern / Europeans, the people is getting expropriated the most by Trump, in January 2017, right as Trump got elected and the democratic "resistance" movement was all the range. (Surprisingly, Trump 2 is even more extreme, and no more talk of resistance).

    • dragonwriter3 days ago
      > Like I don't see too many of the items applying to classically authoritarian regimes like China.

      The first (“Year 1 under an authoritarian regime”) is explicitly, and the rest also implicitly, about the transition from something loosely approximating a liberal democratic republic or Constutional monarchy to an authoritarian state; its not about surviving in an established authoritarian regime.

    • ithkuil3 days ago
      Perhaps because those things already happened at the beginning of the Chinese Revolution and we're just seeing a phase that's several generations on the future of the transition
      • metacritic123 days ago
        The guide starts with the presumption they gained power through democratic elections. Neither China nor most other historic authoritarian regimes started this way.

        (Nazi Germany and Putin's Russia being the classical examples of democracies going authoritarian).

        • fcatalan3 days ago
          Hungary, Turkey, India, Venezuela come to mind. Poland, Brazil are also recent near misses. South Korea also had a recent oops. So a well trodden path.
    • EasyMark3 days ago
      Why is it a bad thing to get more knowledge about authoritarianism and how it can sneak up on you? If it makes some people uncomfortable, that might should be an indicator that things niggling your mind often matter more than you think.
    • ascorbic3 days ago
      It's clearly a guide for regimes that are in transition from liberal democracy to authoritarianism, not regimes that are fully authoritarian. It looks like it's a jab to the current Trump presidency because it's following a well-worn path. Others have commented how it applies to Hungary too, and imagine there are plenty of others too. In 2017 these were more a threat than a reality, but this time most of them are already in place.
    • atoav3 days ago
      There are many flavours of authoritarianism, this is a guide how to act in the early phase of one of them (regimes that started from a democracy).

      Maybe you are too US-centric (wouldn't be the first time that happened to someone from the US), but as someone from Central Europe I had to immediately think about Hungary — Trump is said to follow the Orban playbook, a mental line not only drawn by me, but also by the European Council for Foreign Relations: https://ecfr.eu/publication/the-orbanisation-of-america-hung...

      Now China's regime is in power since 1949 and there was no democracy before. People who had the chance to enact the advice in the 50s are likely dead by now. So you literally criticized the article for not covering a thing they said in the introduction they are not covering.

      Just a hint: critical thinking involves a step where you try to play the devils advocate and try to find all flaws with your own thinking. If you skip that step it means your goal isn't finding the truth, but finding a plausible counter-argument. This isn't critical thinking, it is contrarian thinking, so something that finds a point that could (to a non-critical audience) seem like a weakness of a thought, but doesn't hold water under close scrutiny. Good for use as an unfair rethorical tool, bad to establish good discourse.

      Trump praises authoritarians, has said multiple things that showed he wanted to be one, uses authoritarian language and has done political things that square with being an authoritarian — he is a textbook authoritarian. No discussion needed at, all a spade is a spade. Whether it is still early authoritarianism is the interesting question.

    • powerapple3 days ago
      they don't, it is a playbook on how to win elections, and it is what's happening in democracy.
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    • DiscourseFan3 days ago
      Yeah, I mean the supreme court already knocked down Trump's whole USAID thing. The US is very far from authoritarianism, the institutions seem quite strong and thats something I believe Americans recognized when they voted for him, that it was just a bit of a risk but it was unlikely he would actually be successful in toppling the government.
      • mlinhares3 days ago
        There’s a dude that doesn’t hold any office telling everyone what to do, who to fire and what will be paid, including his own companies, and you feel like writing “American institutions are quite strong”, I must be living in a different planet.
      • outer_web3 days ago
        I read that SCOTUS told the administration to pay for completed work. Considering USAID has been essentially dissolved, I wouldn't say they knocked down "the whole USAID thing". Unless I missed some news.
        • alabastervlog3 days ago
          Amazingly, four of five justices said the President should be able to refuse to pay contractors for completed work from funds Congress had already allocated. WTF.

          Or maybe it’s more amazing it wasn’t six of them saying that.

          One really lovely part is how this would permanently make every government contract more expensive, if they got their way. Just great.

          • EasyMark3 days ago
            Right they won't even acknowledge that there was nothing unreasonable about those funds. Already allocated and promised. Why even say it's backed "by the reputation of the United States" if we won't even pay the bills we've already told we were going to pay. If they find fraud then sure cancel the deal. However they are using "abuse and inefficiency" as weasel words to get out of paying our debts and contracts that the current regime doesn't like.
        • saxonww3 days ago
          SCOTUS said the money could not be frozen, but I don't think they put a deadline on when it had to be paid out. So it's not over.

          The VP and Musk have both written recently about how the judiciary can't tell the executive branch what to do. I think Vance called it illegal. Regardless, law is meaningless if no one will enforce it.

      • g-b-r3 days ago
        The same supreme court gave him complete immunity
      • piva003 days ago
        > Americans recognized when they voted for him, that it was just a bit of a risk but it was unlikely he would actually be successful in toppling the government

        Americans voted in someone that risked their whole 200+ years of democratic history knowingly? That would make it all even more absurd than it already is, risking a whole system of government, trust from international partners, respect from adversaries, the trade-off would never make any sense.

        > The US is very far from authoritarianism, the institutions seem quite strong

        Do they? They haven't even be put to test yet, the Congress is definitely not strong (there's no pushback from any voice of reason from the president's own party), the Supreme Court is voting 5-4 on matters that are almost blatantly unconstitutional. I'll agree that institutions are strong when enforcement of a decision completely adversarial to the current administration's goals is put to test and prevail. At this exact moment there's no sign that American institutions are anywhere near as strong as it was once thought.

      • GJim3 days ago
        > when they voted for him, that it was just a bit of a risk

        I'm genuinely speechless.

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  • rahton3 days ago
    Why not just leave? I mean for those who can afford. Especially when this is happening in a country with so many firearms. It could quickly be easier to resist from a safe place.
    • throw-the-towel3 days ago
      As someone who did leave his country over politics, and doesn't regret it, I assure you it's not something you "just" do. Emigration is hard.
    • rented_mule3 days ago
      Because I have many loved ones that I don't want to be too far from. It's worth enduring a lot to be around them.
    • EasyMark3 days ago
      Because I have family here that I love dearly, that's enough reason for me to stay and fight. Why should I leave? I'm not the one trying to set up an authoritarian government.
    • Brian_K_White3 days ago
      "resist from a safe place?" If you leave, you no longer have any right to any say in the old place.

      And what if the new place develops it's own problems? Wander the globe forever in hopes of finding a magical place?

      If your roomate shits in your living room, "you should move out" is the second to last choice. The last choice is stay and live with it. The first and second choices in undecided order are correct the offenders behavior or make them leave.

      • rahton2 days ago
        Doesn't History proves this wrong? Hundred of thousands of Huguenots left French persecutions and largely contributed to Protestants culture. Nearly Half a million jews fled Europe before/during ww2. French resistance was largely organized from abroad. There are a good amount of Russian activists outside of the country currently. Just a few examples. As stated bellow, I understand the challenges implied by immigration. But it could quickly escalate in the US, and resisting fascism also comes with some challenges.
    • hayst4ck3 days ago
      I went to a Town Hall and many of the people had family members being kept alive by Medicaid. Imagine a mother of toddlers in her 30's is dying of some cancer imagining paying for her cancer meds while her children likely won't get state assistance, while grandma is about to be removed from her state assisted old folks home.

      Imagine having a special needs child about to lose assistance...

      Right now America is going through the stages of grief. We are between Shock and Denial, many of us are in deep Depression. This is literally traumatizing if you are paying attention and understand what is going on.

      People who want to resist this are going to end up dead or in jail and that's a truth that's very hard to accept.

      Also there's the greater problem. Leave to where? America isn't exceptional. What can happen here can happen in other places. Canada, France, the UK, and Germany are all struggling with far right movements, none of them have a clear answer for fighting oligarchy, they are only reluctantly taking America's warning for how bad it can be. America is generally a fairly well educated country, and if we can't pull off a return to democracy here, I don't see democracy rising anywhere else, just the opposite, I would expect rampant nationalism and resource protection.

      • rahton2 days ago
        Just to clarify, I am well aware it is a (very) tough decision to make and that is even harder to put in place... and understand the moral challenge involved. But I am very worried about what will come next too. People will die resisting, there is no doubt about it. Europe isn't a safe heaven but having experienced both sides of the pond in the last ten years, I believe the political situation is still far better here. I may be wrong.
        • hayst4ck2 days ago
          Europe is a still far better, but the root cause in America is a low tax rate on the rich and privatized intelligence/social media companies fueling the society splitting narratives that oligarchs prefer. The end state being societies that are easily divided and conquered.

          So Europe might have better data protection laws, but I'm not sure that prevents A/B testing algorithmic feeds, and I think France tried to tax the rich and they just moved out.

          In terms of position, velocity, and acceleration, Europe has a clearly better position, arguably the same velocity (towards nationalism/right wing), and it's very hard to tell the level of acceleration, but America's blunder definitely gave other countries a momentary reprieve.

          So there is nothing structurally preventing Europe from the same fate, if you think so, that's just exceptionalism... Exceptionalism feels good when others are doing poorly, but it doesn't in any way prevent you from the same fate.

          People ran away from despotism to America, but those people were unable to fight despotism in their own countries. If everyone runs, then there will be no place left to run.

    • jredwards2 days ago
      Why not just abandon everyone that I love to suffer?
  • fmnxl3 days ago
    This worldview where one side is evil/authoritarian and the other is good/free/liberal is the root of a lot of suffering in the world.

    It's a flawed worldview that made Americans end up with dysfunctional politicians, because you reward ideological rhetoric more than real, pragmatic long-term planing.

    • skinkestek3 days ago
      You might be meaning something smart and good or something not so smart and good, but I only realized on my second reading.

      What I mean is there is absolutely room somewhere between the current situation (examples from Norway) where:

      - every road end up costing more than in comparable countries because no decision is final and everyone has a say

      - school problems because teachers are not allowed to act, even in clear cases of abuse

      - police have no tools against people under 14

      but the solution is absolutely not to give politicians (or bureaucrats) unlimited power, bring back harsh physical punishment in school and turning a blind eye towards police violence.

      In my understanding the problem seems to be that of polarization (examples sourced more globally):

      - Why do I have to choose between 1. people who deny that trans people exist and 2. people who think that it isn't a problem when one inmate gets another inmate pregnant in a women's only prison? Or in sports, were womens sports, were people who were male athletes who never had a chance can transition and easily win as women? There certainly is a lot of room between these options.

      - or why do I have to choose between 1. people who hate certain groups of people and 2. people who think it is OK when others arrive here and openly abuse our hospitality? Why did it take years to expel an internationally wanted terrorist?

      List goes on.

      • mschuster913 days ago
        > - Why do I have to choose between 1. people who deny that trans people exist and 2. people who think that it isn't a problem when one inmate gets another inmate pregnant in a women's only prison?

        And how often has the latter actually happened? That is part of the polarization issue: absolute nothingburgers are blown way out of proportion or outright manufactured as a "strawman" strategy. Besides, the threat for women in prison aren't fellow trans inmates, it is guards whose power is completely unchecked in prison.

        > Or in sports, were womens sports, were people who were male athletes who never had a chance can transition and easily win as women?

        "Easily" is not the word I'd describe. An actual transition is very risky and taxing on the body, being on 'roids or whatever is more comfortable than that from what I hear.

        In any case, segregation of men and women in sports is a relatively new thing in history, dating back to around 1920-ish when the first bans for women appeared under the guise of "protecting their health / modesty". Plain and simple, men were afraid that women were just as competitive as they were, most sports are skill sports and not brute-strength sports.

        Additionally, what even makes a man and a woman? Simply nailing it down to penises and vaginas doesn't cut it, there's quite a ton of different hormonal disorders that give you an XX person presenting as a man or an XY person presenting as a woman. Often enough that's only caught when they grow up to be adults and discover they're infertile because everything else "just works". And then come all the other examples in the spectrum between the poles. Where does one want to draw the line?

        The more sensible thing is to rank athletes on other metrics: body weight and body fat/muscle distribution, age, or skill level like chess (mostly) does.

        > - or why do I have to choose between 1. people who hate certain groups of people and 2. people who think it is OK when others arrive here and openly abuse our hospitality?

        It's not OK but JFC there is no 100% foolproof system that allows for no cheating like the anti-migrant crowd tends to suggest. No matter what there will always be a certain percentage of fraud in any system.

        > Why did it take years to expel an internationally wanted terrorist?

        Dunno about this specific case since it lacks context, but everyone has the right to due process, including non white people.

        > There certainly is a lot of room between these options.

        Yeah, not to even engage in discussions with people who just want to cause pain and drama and manufacture problems. A lot of that is manufactured by Russia or other enemies anyway - turns out "think of the children" can be modernized to "think of the women", it's a perfect wedge issue since it is very hard to argue against the emotional message with facts.

        [1] https://daily.jstor.org/gender-incommensurability-in-sports/

        • bobalob3 days ago
          > And how often has the latter actually happened?

          Often enough to demonstrate that incarcerating males in women's prisons on the basis of self-declared "gender identity" is harmful policy that needs to be removed and cancelled everywhere it's been implemented.

          It's worth keeping in mind that the reason we have sex-segregated prisons in the first place is because mixed-sex prisons were so demonstrably harmful to female inmates, who were subjected to physical violence, sexual assault, rape, impregnation by male prisoners.

          > In any case, segregation of men and women in sports is a relatively new thing in history, dating back to around 1920-ish when the first bans for women appeared under the guise of "protecting their health / modesty". Plain and simple, men were afraid that women were just as competitive as they were, most sports are skill sports and not brute-strength sports.

          You are confusing two separate things here: access to competitive sports, and having a separate female category in competitive sports. The former was denied to women for the same reasons that women were denied access to many aspects of society that men could freely enjoy. Whereas the latter - eliminating male physical advantage from competition - is necessary for fairness and, in the case of contact sports, for safety.

          > Where does one want to draw the line?

          Evidence-based policy approaches typically draw the line at the male physical advantage of testosterone-driven development.

          So for example a male athlete with CAIS (complete insensitivity to androgens) may be permitted to compete in the women's category because testosterone was entirely ineffective from development in utereo onwards.

          Whereas a male athlete with 5-ARD (impaired conversion of testosterone to dihydrotestosterone) won't be, as the phenotype of micropenis and less facial hair doesn't eliminate the male physical advantage in sport.

          • mschuster913 days ago
            > It's worth keeping in mind that the reason we have sex-segregated prisons in the first place is because mixed-sex prisons were so demonstrably harmful to female inmates, who were subjected to physical violence, sexual assault, rape, impregnation by male prisoners.

            The problem then are male prisoners, are they not? In fact, trans women are 13 times more likely to be assaulted in prison [1] than cis-male ones.

            The solution is obvious - more guards in prison, segregate prisoners with a violence or sexual assault history, and maybe imprison less people in the first place because many prisons are plain and simple overcrowded.

            > Whereas the latter - eliminating male physical advantage from competition - is necessary for fairness and, in the case of contact sports, for safety.

            Regarding the safety aspect in contact sports - I think the better solution is to leave that decision to the women themselves, but generally I'd more argue to ban or seriously restrict contact sports because a looot of them have had very nasty links to brain injuries uncovered.

            > Evidence-based policy approaches typically draw the line at the male physical advantage of testosterone-driven development.

            The question remains: do we really want to require athletes to submit to full-blown genetic and hormonal assays? Do we really want to require minor athletes to submit to genital examinations for no medical reason? The obsession a lot of people have with genitalia is absurd.

            [1] https://edition.cnn.com/2021/06/23/us/trans-women-incarcerat...

        • skinkestek3 days ago
          > And how often has the latter actually happened?

          Exact amount of times it happen doesn't matter as much as the fact that one side tries to pretend it isn't a problem.

          > there is no 100% foolproof system that allows for no cheating like the anti-migrant crowd tends to suggest. No matter what there will always be a certain percentage of fraud in any system.

          That is not what I am suggesting.

          And I think you are actually proving my point here.

          • mschuster913 days ago
            > Exact amount of times it happen doesn't matter as much as the fact that one side tries to pretend it isn't a problem.

            I'm not saying it is not a problem at all - I am simply saying that it is a nothingburger compared to the amount of "ordinary" rape and violence going on in prisons. Trying to blast on trans people while ignoring the much larger elephant in the room is dishonest and reminds me of a Bible quote: "Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?" [1]

            [1] https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%207%3A3...

            • skinkestek3 days ago
              I guess this is what is called the strawman argument?

              Pretending I only care about one thing and then pointing out that it is stupid to only care about one thing?

              • lcnPylGDnU4H9OF3 days ago
                > one side tries to pretend it isn't a problem

                It's referred to as a "strawman argument" because it's like arguing with a person made out of straw (evoking images of a person fighting against a straw man for training); such a person is not a difficult opponent and one is not required to put in effort for a fight against them. One might consider who you are arguing against when you say "one side tries to pretend it isn't a problem".

    • timeon3 days ago
      > The Authoritarian Regime Survival Guide

      Article describes what is happening in my home country. I'm not American. What seems more American is that all these articles are being flagged here in true spirit of American free speech: where everything is technically allowed, but in practice, there is lot of censure and self-censure.

    • EasyMark3 days ago
      I call a duck a duck. I had my criticisms of republicans and democrats in the past, but they generally respected the institutions and took their turns. The current regime is trying to scrap all that and make the President a King (or dictator?), that's why people are fighting back and calling what walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, "why that's a duck, tater!"
    • jredwards2 days ago
      The worldview where "both sides" must have valid points is also extremely problematic. There's no need to give equal time to fascists. Sometimes one "side" is wrong and the only appropriate thing to do is say so.
    • g-b-r3 days ago
      Uhm yeah everyone is authoritarian so let's embrace dictators right? :facepalm:
      • alabastervlog3 days ago
        The shift from “the President should surrender control of his peanut farm to avoid conflicts of interest” to “eh, this (gestures broadly) is fine, what are you complaining about?” has been really damn fast.
        • SideburnsOfDoom3 days ago
          The shift from "The president can't partly forgive some student loans without congressional approval" to "The president's unelected tech support guy can fire entire government agencies without it" took a month or two. Roughly the same time, but clearly not held to the same standard. That seems a lot like the "permission to cross legal boundaries" that the original article mentions.
      • fmnxl3 days ago
        No, my point is Trump isn't bad because he's "authoritarian". He's bad because he's completely mismanaging the country, and putting oligarchs in charge of the government.

        Even for "authoritarian regime", that'd be a horrible way to run a country.

        It's not like the democrats aren't full of oligarchs themselves, like the likes of Pelosi.

        • dragonwriter3 days ago
          > No, my point is Trump isn't bad because he's "authoritarian".

          But, you're wrong, he is wrong for that reason.

          > He's bad because he's completely mismanaging the country

          He's also wrong for that reason, which is also not completely unrelated to the former reason.

          > and putting oligarchs in charge of the government.

          And for thet reason, which is mostly a rephrasing and slightly more specific form of the first reason.

          > Even for "authoritarian regime", that'd be a horrible way to run a country.

          Actually, its pretty typical of authoritarian regimes to (1) have a narrow elite (oligarchs) making decisions with no effective accountability for their own benefit, and (2) for this to, from any other perspective but the immediate perceived self-interest of those decision-makers to be complete mismanagement. (It’s also pretty typical for it to be mismanagement from any reasonable view of the elites actual interests, and paranoia driven by fear of being displaced either by outsiders or other members of the elite leads to suboptimal elite decision-making, because authoritarianism does not support conflict resolution processes that enable trust, and makes losing intra-elite disputes very high stakes.)

          • fmnxl2 days ago
            That's what I'm trying to say. You judge based on the denomination first, like how protestants use to think all catholics are inherrently evil. That was the ideological war of the 16th century, and looking bad do you see how pointless it was?

            Sure the Pope and the catholic clergy were corrupt, but they weren't bad because they're catholics or authoritarian. Corruption was the issue, not catholicism itself nor authoritarianism. To think so is to force a narrative.

            • dragonwriter2 days ago
              > You judge based on the denomination first

              “Authoritarian” isn't, and isn’t analogous to, a religious denomination like “Catholic" or “Protestant”.

              > Corruption was the issue, not catholicism itself nor authoritarianism

              “Authoritarian” as a descriptor is more like “corrupt” than it is like “Catholic”. Not that the claim that being Catholic—or, for those positively inclined toward Catholicism, Protestant or Muslim or Secular Humanist or Satanist (Church of Satan) or Satanist (The Satanic Temple)—is not bad in and of itself is an uncontroversial pillar on which to rest an analogy,

              • g-b-r2 days ago
                Who downvoted this?
  • throw940403 days ago
    Most importantly:

    1) authoritarian regime takes your guns and ability to defend yourself

    2) it will criminalise normal behavior, so it can prosecute anyone at will (everyone has to break laws)

    3) it tries to destroy family

    • bratbag3 days ago
      Those three things are just part of point 4 in the article.

      An authoritarian leader will tell you those things are under threat and that only they can protect them, to create a feeling of threat that will persuade the gullible to give up their freedom.

    • misja1113 days ago
      3) it tries to destroy family

      This point is nonsense, most authoritarian regimes do exactly the opposite, they promote traditional family values. Take for example the regimes of Putin, Hitler, Orban.

      • relaxing3 days ago
        Well, if you’re the right sort of family. If you’re part of the out groups they will not hesitate to destroy family.
      • MrBuddyCasino3 days ago
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        • misja1113 days ago
          I'm lost. Do you mean my comment was woke? If yes, why?
        • piva003 days ago
          What does this mean? Please be more substantial on your dismissals, it's really hard to read between the lines of what you try to allude to when reading your word salads...