142 pointsby areoform4 days ago15 comments
  • vr465 hours ago
    We could do with wider knowledge of a complicated man. My friend's husband wrote a fabulous play about a short period in Dahl's life centred around antisemitism, which was directed by Nicholas Hytner at the Royal Court. I suspect that it was done to improve public relations after various overblown controversies there, but that is not to take away from the writing and performance.

    The other context around Israel invading Lebanon in 1982 was given to me (I was too young at the time to have a clue about anything) by another (Jewish) friend, a biographer of Primo Levi, who said, "I believe Israel had the sympathy of the world until they invaded Lebanon," in a conversation about how those who claim to be virtuous by invoking victimhood.

    Dahl never invoked that himself, but with wider knowledge of his life and a more critical view of Israeli history, we can see what a complex polarized mess this is with little chance of redemption for either, although it is interesting that one man has generated disproportionate column inches compared to a country.

    • williamsmj13 minutes ago
      Were the "various overblown controversies" when he said "There is a trait in the Jewish character that does provoke animosity, maybe it's a kind of lack of generosity towards non-Jews. I mean there is always a reason why anti-anything crops up anywhere; even a stinker like Hitler didn't just pick on them for no reason"?

      Or when he said the United States is "utterly dominated by the great Jewish financial institutions over there"?

      Or when he said "I am certainly anti-Israel, and I have become anti-Semitic"?

      Or are there others?

      https://www.nytimes.com/1990/12/07/opinion/l-roald-dahl-also...

    • lolinder35 minutes ago
      Whether or not Dahl was influenced by the behavior of the state of Israel, he extrapolated his hatred towards a group of people. It's not really more complicated than that: it's wrong to be anti-Russian because of the actions of Putin, it's wrong to be anti-semitic because of the actions of Israel.

      Whether or not you agree with the state of Israel's actions in recent years, it's very concerning to me to see comments like this that seem to justify or explain away racial hatred. You have to disentangle the two.

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  • croissants12 hours ago
    I'm not sure what word to apply to facing three familial tragedies, any one of which might seem like more than a life's fair share of misfortune, with that kind of perseverance. Inspiring is too glib, inhuman is too alienating. Whatever kind of mettle that is, I hope to never have to prove it.
    • rakejake5 hours ago
      People are products of their environment. There are people with mettle/grit and then people who are more sensitive to perturbations of fate. The society they live in sets the base level of grittiness that you can expect any average person to be equipped with.

      Dahl here is a very hardy man who approaches these issues in a very practical and logical way. But this was also in the post WW2 era where millions died, people lost their families and possessions, and had to start their life anew. It was a period of rebuilding after the devastation of war and hard times build hard people.

      Today, all this feels like too much because we were all mostly born and brought up in wealth and prosperity. We have not seen any real hard times and there is no need for mettle.

  • nxobject9 hours ago
    In these times the saddest tragedy here is that Dahl was so preoccupied with medical care and expertise for his family – and the one time he let up, his daughter died because his brother-in-law thought "let the girls get measles[...] it will be good for them".
    • jessekv6 hours ago
      Lots of people still think this way about chickenpox, and I have no idea why.

      In the US, vaccination for it is prevalent for years now (in a rare win for preventative health there).

      Many other countries: "Chickenpox (and risk of shingles) will be good for you..."

      • JetSetWilly4 hours ago
        You have it the opposite way round. The UK (for example) never gave a chickenpox vaccine because it reasoned to do so increases the risk of shingles, and shingles is more serious than chickenpox. Also chickenpox is so mild that administering a national vaccination programme is of dubious benefit, the money can be more effectively spent elsewhere.

        The JCVI might have recently changed recommendation but whether it is worth the cost/benefit is another matter.

      • croes5 hours ago
        Are you sure?

        It seems quite the other way around.

        Some other countries just lack the possibilities to vaccinate while the US could but people refuse in favor of „natural“ immunity.

        Hence two dead children because of measles.

        • Smithalicious5 hours ago
          Here in Europe, or at least in the Netherlands where I grew up, chickenpox isnnot vaccinated for, and of course the reason is not "lacking the possibilities".

          I don't have a stance on the matter, other than "I and everyone I know caught chickenpox as a kid and we turned out alright".

          • em5004 hours ago
            The Dutch health council advised against including chickenpox vaccination in the standard vaccination programme in 2020 for the European Netherlands (but pro vaccination for Dutch overseas territories in the Caribbean). The advise (in Dutch) can be found under "advies Vaccinatie tegen waterpokken" [1].

            I don't have an opinion on whether the council properly weighted all the costs and benefits. I just want to include this reference make the point that the Dutch policy stance is not based on lack of means or on ignorance of our politicians or health authorities. The advice includes plenty of references to many international studies and experiences with chickenpox vaccination.

            [1] https://www.gezondheidsraad.nl/documenten/adviezen/2020/10/0...

          • croes5 hours ago
            In Germany it’s recommended by the Vaccination Commission
  • fumeux_fume9 hours ago
    > “Let the girls get measles,” he told her, “it will be good for them.”

    Eerily ominous.

    • amelius2 hours ago
      I suspect they strolled into the wrong part of the internet.
  • Red_Comet_8810 hours ago
    I am thankful that there are some challenges that providence has deemed fit to deny me.
    • LarsDu888 hours ago
      I think your confusing providence with medical science in the form of vaccinations, blood thinners, and Mr. Dahl's contributions to hydrocephalus relief
      • praptak7 hours ago
        Science is great but there are still plenty of diseases and lots of other stuff that leads to tragedies.

        If you happen not to have to deal with any of this, it is still just providence.

        • croes5 hours ago
          Chance
          • praptak2 hours ago
            Yes, providence is metaphor/personification of luck.
      • cafeinux6 hours ago
        A child could die from cancer or from falling while playing, and no vaccination or blood thinner can prevent this. I can understand op's reference to providence in not having to face these tragedies.
        • croes5 hours ago
          I think parents means not dying from measles thanks to vaccines.

          One risk less.

      • khazhoux7 hours ago
        The providence of being here and now, a time where those exist, a country where good medical care is available, and the means to afford it.
  • nxobject10 hours ago
    I can see a little bit about what inspired the "spark" of his children's books – love, but also a need for escapism, normal but heroic figures in the middle of bewildering and impossible situations, nurturing. It think Danny, Champion of the World, was the first children's book he wrote approximately after this time period?
  • bosky1016 hours ago
    I had no idea. Was most of his work before or after these tragedies. Hope he had a peaceful death himself financially not in turmoil.

    I hope most of the pain and death we see in the world today seem like solved problems many years from now. Much like the health issues faced by his family.

  • jonstewart40 minutes ago
    One of Dahl's surviving daughters, Ophelia, cofounded Partners In Health with Paul Farmer. I highly recommend Tracy Kidder's _Mountains Beyond Mountains_.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ophelia_Dahl

  • morkalork11 hours ago
    The fascinating thing about Roald Dahl is that the children's books he wrote are the least interesting thing about his life and when you try to tell anyone about it they just look at you dumbfounded because it sounds so unbelievable.
    • stevenwoo9 hours ago
      His two autobiographical books a still a really good read today, and they only cover his life up to about world war 2, which he was extremely lucky to survive. Dan Stevens does a good job narrating the latest audiobook versions my library has.
    • LarsDu888 hours ago
      I was shocked to learn that he was not only a fighter pilot, but also married an academy award winning actress and coinvented a valve used to help brain damage patients recover
      • GJim3 hours ago
        > not only a fighter pilot

        He wasn't "only" a fighter pilot.

        He was a fighter Ace, having five confirmed air-to-air kills. (And possibly more unconfirmed in the Battle of Athens).

      • morkalork39 minutes ago
        When he was young, instead of going to university he went to work for Shell in Tanzania and learned to speak Swahil while living there. And after being pilot, he worked as a diplomatic attaché/spy for BSC in washington and was friends with FDR. He also got to know Ian Flemming during that time. Basically living a posh lifestyle of wining and dining important people while funneling any intelligence he learned back home.
  • mmaunder10 hours ago
    I had no idea Roald’s life was mired in such tragedy. Stephen King’s book on writing is autobiographical and worth a read. Similar revelations if you don’t know much about him.
  • alexey-salmin8 hours ago
    Damn this is so painful to read
    • praptak7 hours ago
      It is, yet I still feel I'm better off having read it. A real life person having this kind of strength in the face of tragedy makes one more optimistic.
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  • lr4444lr11 hours ago
    My sympathy for Roald Dahl can only go so far given his rabid antisemitism.