I think people with ADHD are hyper attuned to the effort that goes into everything from the moment we wake up (related term: executive dysfunction), so we look for ways to facilitate "doing." Other people who have similar levels of awareness tend to be self-employed (your time costs you), working parents (limited time and energy) and graduate students (long-term dread), but not everyone. And no, I don't think this is a purely remote work issue.
With all the AI discussion I'll just take a moment to talk about humans. HN probably thinks anything having to do with other humans are yuck especially on the internet and would be proven right most of the time. But humans and internet-mediated humans can also be great if the product does a good and careful job to allow their best parts shine. That's why we love HN and admire dang, and we try to make https://www.flow.club/ another awesome human corner of the internet.
Sorry, but I'm not paying 3x a netflix subscription for what amounts to little more than a glorified discord bot.
Actually, now that I look for it, I found this exact product as a discord server. And would point people there instead: https://discord.com/invite/study
Shoutout to Ricky and co!
As a single guy now, I have the "leisure" to stretch my work hours far longer into the night and I get just as much done as when I was with her.
Comparatively, working in a coffee shop does not make me get more work done, I just feel better.
I’m not ADHD, but that’s probably a bigger discussion
https://rubberduckdebugging.com/
The general idea is to first try explaining your problem to the duck, which is thought to activate the same problem restructuring pathways. However, I've always found that a human makes for a much better rubber duck in practice. Something about the immediacy of the conversation helps my brain to stay on task and not get distracted partway through the explanation.
Fantastic body doubling service
It can still be a liiitle hit or miss depending on the club host. But a good host on a pomodoro session with actual verbal check-ins is 100x better than coffee.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21352305
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Being around people, with distractions removed was the key for me. Just me, and my laptop.
As for how common it is? IDK, but I don't see RTO as being the key (might work for some people?).
When I was work from home, I was a lot more productive by myself, however when I found I had a really tough project that I was having trouble starting, a couple hours of body doubling at a local cafe tended to help. I.e., I'm going to the coffee shop for 2 hours to do this one task.
Some people think these are just used by people who have no quiet space, or no comfortable space, at home - but that’s not the case.
Want me back in the office? Give me an office, with one, maybe two, office mates that I get along with. A door I (we) can close when needed.
I don't even like using productivity tools or todo apps beyond just listing things at a high level on a post it / white board so I don't forget about something and can prioritize/sort them. Creating daily goals and breaking things down into bite sized actions just seems like a waste of time doing what is obvious to accomplish the larger objective IMO.
That said, I do like working in the an out-of-home office. My home does pull me off my screen and I end up tinkering in the yard, cleaning the pool, etc. throughout the day at the expense of GSD
Same re productivity tools. I just use text files to write things down - extremely high level, never in detail. Always seemed like a waste of time tbh.
I feel like I don't even know why some days I can focus, and some I can't. It seems to be completely arbitrary. Sometimes I'll have the most perfect conditions and it'll be impossible to start working.
But I've never, not once, managed to work with the TV on.
Also same productivity comes in bursts for me. Sometimes I’ll start the week off with a bang and get everything I needed to done on Monday. I’ll even go all night if I’m in this flow state. Then I will sleep until noon and take a leisurely pace the rest of week. Other weeks i procrastinate until im forced to get something done on Friday. Because I know this about myself, I try to think of work life one week at a time.
I've worked remotely since 2013, and love the convenience, but still need to get out from time to time. I've noticed this in an office setting as well. After ~4 years at my first job, every day in the same room and with the same ~10 people, I noticed that the change in atmosphere at my 2nd job (which had many/varying people in proximity) made it easier to focus.
I don't know if it's that people are there as much as it is a change of scenery, but when a place is bustling it makes it feel like it's constantly changing.
Now I use my biweekly office day to clear my backlogged tasks for the same reason: if you want to look busy, might as well work.
As someone who’s worked remote (and async) and also in big offices, sometimes I see individual workers celebrating RTO for misguided reasons:
1. They use work as a social space
2. They enjoy the break of getting out of their house/from family/partner
3. The ritual of going to and from work as a separate space is helpful
All of these are solvable without mandating RTO, so it is frustrating when workers align themselves with RTO mandates when they could just solve the above.
1. Sometimes people don’t pursue friendships outside their work or family. You should! It is healthy!
2. I sometimes see people not set boundaries during work days, and have their own partners not respect their boundaries (“please don’t come in my office when I’m on a call”). Here, they’re leaning on RTO to set a boundary on their behalf.
3. During WFH in 2020-2021, I set a ritual where I’d go for a walk around the block with a coffee before returning to my small Manhattan apartment. I used Phillips Hues to change the lighting to colder when in work mode.
Offices are a bonus when you live near to them, but mandating their usage is crazy. If workers don’t feel happier and more productive when going into an office, and recognize it as an advantage for them doing work, then execs should recognize that the office is lacking somehow.
Maybe not such a great name now, since the second places are getting murkier. But the need is still there.
I've setup and worked there many afternoons when I've been in Wisconsin. The drinking culture is different in the upper Midwest though, it's not party thing (always) as much as a social activity. You're not expected to get drunk, think France and wine.
People want what they want, not what you or I think they should want.
with both the social and the walking thing, i find it easy to get stuck in a negative feedback loop, where not doing it makes it harder to do it. having a work-mandated minimum walk and social time prevents stalling, making it easier to maintain the habits outside of work as well
this perspective might be flavoured by being neurospicy, though. presumably, if i wasn't prone to stalling my habits that way, it'd be less appealing to tie them to a job or shcool or whatever else
(i currently work remote, though. office is positive, but not positive enough to outweigh the salary difference of working for a local company)
No pain no gain, basically.
You go for a walk, live in a tiny apartment in Manhattan, and use lighting colour to give a sense of 'work place'.
Well guess what, your circumstances probably don't generalise.
Anyways, I'm not sure whether this is "body doubling" or "rubber ducking", or even if there isn't significant overlap between the two concepts.