23 pointsby Sharon_Q3 days ago6 comments
  • acheong082 days ago
    This is about the dumbest thing you can do. TikTok at least maintains a facade of neutrality.

    小红书 does not differentiate between the Chinese and western versions, meaning you're under the same rules as in China. Any comments against the CCP will get deleted, including jokes. It's not a "free speech" platform.

    It's also just funny seeing people use this outside China.

    The TikTok ban should be a good opportunity for people to quit their social media addiction.

    • iforgot22a day ago
      TikTok wasn't free speech either, it was just different speech. I never cared about it until they tried to ban it.
    • krapp2 days ago
      >Any comments against the CCP will get deleted, including jokes. It's not a "free speech" platform.

      I have bad news for you about "free speech" on any social media platform in the Western hemisphere...

      • vinodca day ago
        Comments critical of the US government do not typically get deleted from social media platforms based out of the US.
        • iforgot22a day ago
          That's true, but softer things have happened, like the White House coercing platforms to delete content that questioned covid19 vaccine mandates. Until judges stopped it.

          US govt is also trying to ban an entire social media platform. The law itself just mentions national security, but some lawmakers supported the ban explicitly because of the anti-Israel content on TikTok.

        • krappa day ago
          Deletion of comments critical of the US government, while not typical, do not comprise the only form of moderation on social media platforms based out of the US which many Americans consider to be censorship.

          The point being that there are no "free speech" social media platforms, at least not on the open web, because true free speech on the internet would require allowing felonious content. The only difference between Chinese social media and American social media is where the arbitrary line between allowed and disallowed speech is drawn, and by whom (governments or corporations.)

          I'm not arguing that this is a bad thing, personally I prefer private platforms having the option to choose what to moderate and what not, and for the government not to get involved more than necessary, but the premise that an American familiar with Facebook or Twitter or even HN (where you can be negged for just about anything) should be shocked by the lack of "free speech" on a Chinese app is absurd.

      • hsavit1a day ago
        exactly. this whole RedNote development frames the problem of United States social media data harvesting and surveillance. We've been institutionalized to believe that the Chinese are the most propagandized and censored people on the planet, meanwhile American "free speech" social media platforms regularly de-platform and de-monetized accounts regularly.
  • dang2 days ago
    Related ongoing thread:

    TikTok preparing for U.S. shut-off on Sunday - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42710339 - Jan 2025 (807 comments)

  • CM303 days ago
    Possibly. Though I think relying on any China based services is a poor choice, since the US government will be just as likely to try and block/restrict them for similar reasons to TikTok.

    Honestly surprised we haven't seen any European, South American, African, etc developed social apps take off given the privacy and moderation concerns. Or apps based in Asian countries other than China.

    • nine_zeros2 days ago
      US alternatives don't feel too good either.

      We need a neutral social media society that plays fair. Maybe a company HQed in Switzerland or something offering full privacy and full ad protection seems to be an opportunity.

    • monophonica2 days ago
      It is because China has 1.4 billion people that can't be dominated by Silicon Valley.

      I am sure there are all kinds of social media apps in those other countries no one uses.

      I also assume this story has little to do with reality and it is just a nice headline that will get clicks.

    • monophonica2 days ago
      It is because China has 1.4 billion people that can't be dominated by Silicon Valley.

      I am sure there are all kinds of social media apps in those other countries that no one uses.

    • Buttons8402 days ago
      Perhaps the kids will purposely prefer Chinese apps and sources as an act of rebellion.
      • ideashower2 days ago
        That's... exactly what's happening though?
  • almaight2 days ago
    The heat will gradually fade away, because without real-name authentication, nothing can be done.
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