55 pointsby PaulHoule3 days ago3 comments
  • archgoon3 days ago
    I don't get it. The article's title is that the ranchers have become allies to jaguars and pumas.

    But nothing in the article supports that view. What has changed are cattle ranching practices that reduce the opportunity of attack. Everything that the article talks about is "How did cattle ranchers adapt to an ever present threat of pumas and jaguars without killing them (for reasons that are not well discussed beyond a reference to a government mandate)" rather then "We're best buds now!" or even "We have found utility in the jaguar and puma population that benefits us".

    It seems the adapted practices are beneficial on their own, but it sounds like they would be beneficial without jaguars and pumas.

    • sidewndr463 days ago
      If the goal is to maximize ranching, I think you're right. But if the goal is to maximize the economic opportunities in Costa Rica it probably is not the best decision. When I hired a tour guide there he pointed out that Costa Rica could easily install dams to create vast fresh water reservoirs and generate some power as well. But because the country doesn't do this they have ecosystems people come to visit their from around the world. So by choosing not to maximize for one thing they retain another at little to no cost. After all, free flowing rivers don't cost much to maintain.

      The tourism industry is important to them. So perhaps by finding a way to co-exist with big cats, it's a net positive to the ranchers because they probably don't want Costa Rica to be a nation with only 1 industry. If they can produce enough beef (or whatever animal they want to raise) to satisfy domestic and export desires then there probably is not much of a need to expand the industry at all costs.

      • archgoon3 days ago
        It is this argument, about what benefits the jaguars themselves bring to the farmers, that is unfortunately lacking from the article.

        Thank you for the additional context.

      • IncreasePosts3 days ago
        Costa Rica already gets almost 100% of its power from renewables. I guess they could create massive dams and then sell the power to nearby countries.
      • philwelch3 days ago
        Also, the jaguars and pumas probably deter cattle rustlers.
    • IncreasePosts3 days ago
      > In spite of the recent incident, Durán says that since 2018 he’s been able to see the benefits of jaguar conservation on his ranch firsthand. He’s now one of the most active cat defenders. In December 2023, he became a park ranger and helped three former hunters do the same. This transformation is an example of how improving data collection and carrying out interventions based on evidence in the communities benefit both humans and cats.

      I guess the point is that ranchers don't blindly hate big cats. They hate suffering large economic losses due to big cats. Once they aren't suffering the losses, they're happy to have the cats around.

      • deepsun2 days ago
        But it's just obvious, why we even need to discuss it?

        Why would some large group of people just "hate" an animal species, if not for some suffering they experience?

    • aiauthoritydev2 days ago
      Yes, the title is completely misleading.

      What the article seems to suggest is what economists have always known. People react to incentives (and so do animals). Ranchers do not have blind hate for cats but rather care more about their cattle than the cats. By making few changes that are profitable for them cats can co-exist. But that does not make them allies.

      Cats are not helping the ranchers in any ways.

    • flerchin3 days ago
      Title should be: Electric fences and careful herd management allow coexistence of ranchers and big cats.
    • egberts13 days ago
      Co-existance via intermingling use of hardier water buffalos' with horn within the cow pasture is the key.
  • louwrentius3 days ago
    I think it's fair to say that the title doesn't cover the article. So how did they deal with the cats?

      The main intervention is installing electric fences to prevent the wildcats from entering the pastures. This measure has been implemented at around 160 ranches,   
      including that of José Luis Rodríguez, two hours outside the Costa Rican capital.
    
      ACFel has collaborated closely with farmers to install electric fences and water troughs, which allow for more divisions and intensive rotation of cattle. 
      This approach, according to experts, improves the pasture’s health and keeps the herd in more compact groups,     removing the need to find water in forest areas   
      where the big cats can attack.
    
      The project also promotes the adoption of water buffalos (Bubalus bubalis), a species that has evolved a defensive instinct against predators. 
      These buffalos protect the convention cattle and have other attractive qualities: they’re hardier, meaning they’re more resistant to heat, 
      need less veterinary attention, and graze on weeds that other cattle won’t touch.
  • roymurdock3 days ago
    love to see progressive ideas in costa rica on how to coexist with our natural brethren. such a beautiful country, hope to see a jaguar or puma there in the wild one day :)
    • myrmidon3 days ago
      Puma is feasible, got lucky and saw a wild one there myself! (Corcovado)

      Spotting wild jaguars in Costa Rica is insanely unlikely though from what the park rangers told us, they are too evasive.

      Also, don't miss out on the Cerro Cirripo (highest mountain) if you're there and don't hate hiking. It is an absolutely amazing way to spend 2-3 days (but we needed permit/reservation in advance).

      • roymurdock3 days ago
        i saw peccaries napping in corcovado - magical place. cerro cirripo is on my list for our next trip. their permit website needs work though cheers
    • the_af3 days ago
      Both jaguars (also called Yaguaretés in Argentina's north) and pumas are gorgeous animals, I'll be very sad if/when they go extinct. It'll be a huge shame.
    • Log_out_2 days ago
      Every sunflower throws shade on another and murders it to grow tall. All things natural are exponential in a linear resourced world, conflict is baked into coexistence. Coexistence is thus unnatural,a temporary peace granted ny a triumphator to the defeated, lasting as long as the circumstances remain stable .
      • metalman2 days ago
        Coexistance is only the begining,many species are interdependant,or highly co-operative with other species,there are different hordes of multi spiecies birds who forage together,and ,AND,will join in on harassing a predator. Recent examples of octopi hunting and useing fish as there "dogs",good fish get treats,bad fish get punched,fucking wild! While conflict is baked in,it is baked in at the indivdual level first,and does not apply as a universal mechanistic behavior. There is nothing like a "linear resoursed world" sound like ai
      • roymurdock2 days ago
        interesting perspective....agree nothing is permanent but competition keeps monopolies from forming and stagnation/rot from setting in...