76 pointsby JumpCrisscross3 days ago6 comments
  • snvzz3 days ago
    A few years ago, it looked like Turkey would be joining the EU.

    But then it derailed. Really hard.

    • tchbnl3 days ago
      Yes, Erdogan has really dragged Turkey back. It picked up after that "coup" attempt that he used to arrest anybody who disagreed with him, be it soldiers or even judges.

      It's so sad to see Turkey turn out like this, but there's nobody that can do anything except their own citizens.

    • throw49sjwo12 days ago
      Few years ago? Must be more than a decade - or would you specify how many years ago do you mean?
    • deutschepost3 days ago
      Sadly they already joined the NATO.
      • CoastalCoder3 days ago
        allies =/= friends
        • deutschepost2 days ago
          But what to do if your ally is best friends with all autocrats in the world? Are you by transitivity allies with them too?
          • aprilthird20212 days ago
            NATO is allied with many autocrats, especially the Gulf countries.
    • t0bia_s2 days ago
      Looks like both want control over internet traffic and chat.
    • hulitua day ago
      > A few years ago, it looked like Turkey would be joining the EU

      They have a handicap though, they are muslim. That's why EU does not want them. But EU is playing theater and gives them false hopes.

  • egorfine3 days ago
    What does Turkey have in common with Russia? They both have blocked Discord simultaneously. What a synergy!
    • diggan3 days ago
      Both are in BRICS? Are there other BRICS countries who also blocked Discord? Maybe the news organizations don't care much about smaller nations like Burkina Fasa blocking Discord.
      • dizhn3 days ago
        Turkey is not in BRICS.
        • diggan3 days ago
          True, thanks for correcting me. Turkey applied in 2024 to join BRICS (and also SCO seemingly), but haven't done so yet.
          • ein0p2 days ago
            And likely won’t be accepted unless it exits NATO. Sitting on that many chairs is not acceptable even if you control the Bosporus.
      • Log_out_2 days ago
        Is brics the name of a alliance or a regional war?
    • CoastalCoder3 days ago
      > What a synergy!

      Jakov Smirnoff homage?

  • maven293 days ago
    Malware authors in shambles. No point in mourning a platform that neglects user safety and comfort to this extent.
    • snvzz3 days ago
      Could you elaborate on this.
      • oglop3 days ago
        Sure. Discord is a magnet for child sex abuse and money scams. The end.
        • squigz3 days ago
          What is it about Discord that makes it more of a magnet than any other large Internet platform?
          • consumer4513 days ago
            From what I have seen, it is Discord's closed nature, their decision not to police their own communities very much, combined with the fact that it's a great product.

            edit after 1 upvote: I should add that I believe that Discord has an immense amount of moderation-debt.

            Due to its closed nature, there aren't external eyeballs on the communities so things can really fester. At some point, that can boil-over into IRL, like they appear to have just done in Turkey.

            • squigz2 days ago
              I don't want Discord "policing" my community, nor do I want "external eyeballs" on it. In any case, this is not specific to Discord at all, which was my original question.
              • consumer4512 days ago
                Policing was the wrong term to use, I was too late to edit it.

                What I meant was moderation. And they do moderate, whether you like it or not. CSAM, conspiracy to murder, and terrorism are beyond the pale for nearly everybody. All of those things require moderation if a company wants to stay in business.

                • filolega day ago
                  Well, that sounds… good? They don’t meddle in the communities unless child abuse and other straight up no-doubt illegal content is involved, in which case they do.

                  Feels like a less centralized reddit, which sounds like something for which there definitely exists a decently large market.

                • squigz2 days ago
                  Yup, and those are the things I want them to moderate (and they do, about as well as any large tech company does)
                • johngladtj2 days ago
                  That's just censorship by another name. No thanks.
                  • squigza day ago
                    Taking action against people/servers sharing actual child pornography is literally censorship, huh?
        • StefanBatory3 days ago
          I can say the same about FB, Messenger, Reddit, WhatsApp,

          (...)

          HackerNews, mails, letters, conversations.

          The end.

    • nextlevelwizard2 days ago
      I have no idea what you are on about. I have used Discord for many years without any issues about safety or comfort.
  • StefanBatory3 days ago
    People are happy about censorship as long as it doesn't invoke them, I guess seeing reactions.
    • hyperG2 days ago
      Tolerance for ideas one disagrees with has a very short history in space and time. Intolerance in this area seems to be the long run equilibrium and we are simply returning from a far from equilibrium state that could only last so long.
    • ThrowawayTestr2 days ago
      People were cheering when Brazil banned Twitter. Go figure.
  • demarq3 days ago
    Before you make too many assumptions:

    > The block comes after public outrage in Turkey caused by the murder of two women by a 19-year-old man in Istanbul this month. Content on social media showed Discord users subsequently praising the killing.

    This is what would happen anywhere else in the world, see the last incident between France and telegram

    • squigz3 days ago
      > This is what would happen anywhere else in the world

      On every single large social media platform, people praise and applaud the death of individuals and entire races of people, all the time. Yet Facebook, Twitter and related sites aren't blocked in most of the world. What's up with that?

      • demarq2 days ago
        Nope.

        If murder or terrorism happened in France or UK and a social media platform refused to assist the authorities, There. Would. Be. Consequences.

        • beart2 days ago
          Your first post did not indicate discord refused to assist authorities, but that users praised a violent act.
          • squigz2 days ago
            Indeed. GP's original post - ironically prefaced with "Before you make too many assumptions" - implied the reasoning was something entirely unrelated to what it actually was about.
          • demarq2 days ago
            HN rules are that I should assume you read the article.
            • bearta day ago
              I did read the article. I'm just pointing out the likely reason that all these comments seem to be talking past one another.

              The quote you chose doesn't seem to reinforce the point you are making.

            • squigz2 days ago
              Technically there's nothing saying that in the guidelines.
      • hulitua day ago
        > Yet Facebook, Twitter and related sites aren't blocked in most of the world. What's up with that?

        You don't want to upset people from the capital (Washington). /s

    • DrillShopper2 days ago
      > This is what would happen anywhere else in the world

      lmao wtf no it wouldn't. Truth Social is used literally every day (by some) to call for the assassination of politicians belonging to the Democractic party, the party currently in power, and it has not been banned.

      Maybe Erdogan and the rest of Turkey should grow a slightly thicker skin.

      • 8note2 days ago
        However, you still see the US banning non-US controlled social media, eg. TikTok. Silly dances and cat videos are are too much for the American government 's skin, when they can say no to the NSA and FBI
    • nitwit0052 days ago
      I would not take their stated reasons seriously.

      They seem not to be a fan of social media in general, and have blocked a long list of social media sites. They even blocked Wikipedia until their constitutional court overturned the ban.

      • demarq2 days ago
        That’s absolutely true.

        It’s also true that they do have a point in this unfortunate event.

        Both can be true.

    • lm284693 days ago
      This is ridiculous, if any platform on which "users praised _illegal things_" were banned every single website in the world would be banned.

      > This is what would happen anywhere else in the world, see the last incident between France and telegram

      Telegram wasn't banned in France

      There is a (very wide) spectrum between full censorship due to a few "users" and complete freedom to the point of being the backbone of illegal cartels

      • demarq2 days ago
        That’s because they had access to the founder and threatened him imprisonment.

        And why does everyone who replies to me leave behind the main point on the article?

        It’s not “just” people said something’s here. It’s that in response to a very real crime , the authorities were denied assistance by the platform.

        It’s like saying that telegram was in trouble because people said some stuff. Nope, telegram in trouble for not cooperating with the government.

      • justinclift2 days ago
        > ... every single website in the world would be banned.

        Doesn't seem to be even slightly true, as not every website in the world has that crap.

  • AbuAssar3 days ago
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    • tekla3 days ago
      Only "matters" in diplomatic context. Otherwise Turkey is still considered completely acceptable