64 pointsby amadeuspagel4 days ago6 comments
  • Delphiza4 days ago
    Whenever Roblox comes up on HN I am compelled to take the opportunity to try and remind people that Roblox is not safe for children. Yes, you may have parental controls, watch every single moment of your kids' gameplay, and have kids that immediately log of at the first sign of sexual content. This comment is not for you.

    If however, you think that Roblox is a bit creepy, weird, and not appropriate for your kids, then keep them as far away as possible - your instinct is right (it is probably worse than that). Roblox may not be a "paedophile hellscape" (I think that it is), but it is definitely an onramp for sexual exploitation. There are paedophile rings that target certain types of people and behaviours and groom them. My daughter was caught up in such a ring (12 y/o UK. Ring traced to Indonesia). Nothing in Roblox addresses (or can even) the underlying mechanics and social engineering that is going on. The linked OP contains a lot of related links and material. Go and read it.

    My previous post on the subject https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32015542

  • jacknews4 days ago
    "In addition to inflating the reported number of “people” on its platform, we also suspect Roblox massively inflates a second key metric, “engagement hours”."

    Well maybe, but I have absolutely no doubt the engagement hours are still massive. Roblox is one of the main online destinations for kids these days, above even minecraft servers it seems.

    The "paedophile hellscape" seems like a short-seller slur to me. No doubt there is some element of this on such a big platform, but it seems vastly overblown to me. I have yet to see anything really suspicious, with kids of my own, and also using roblox/roblox studio in coding clubs.

    The payout % for creators, well that could be labelled a hellscape perhaps...

    • saltminer4 days ago
      > Roblox is one of the main online destinations for kids these days, above even minecraft servers it seems.

      It really is. I don't play many video games these days, much less block-like games, so I always saw Roblox as a successful long-running title and not much more...up until I saw their public peering arrangements [0] and had my mind blown. Even if they massively inflate their playerbase, they're still huge - you don't just build out a multi-terabit network on a whim, and network operations aren't exactly the strong suit of most investors, so it's unlikely they would fake network capacity or build it out for show.

      I wish we could properly compare Minecraft vs Roblox traffic, but the distributed nature of Minecraft multiplayer makes this quite difficult. A quick search on Google Scholar isn't showing much in the way of network volume, so it seems to be an unexplored/unexamined area.

      [0]: https://www.peeringdb.com/asn/22697

    • rossdavidh4 days ago
      Even if the engagement hours are massive, if they're not growing at the rate they claim, their stock price is not justified. They have not made a profit with their existing "massive" traffic, so the prospect of growing into something that is profitable is key to the case for their current stock price.

      I have to agree on the other half of the headline, although if they're already unprofitable then there is a legit question of whether or not they can afford the amount of human oversight that every large platform (let alone a kid-oriented one) is going to require.

    • boneitis3 days ago
      > No doubt there is some element of this on such a big platform, but it seems vastly overblown to me. I have yet to see anything really suspicious, with kids of my own

      I'm not trying to suggest that you ban your children from the platform or anything, but this is really reminding me of all the deniers and apologists I've seen for Amazon and their working conditions in online discussion spaces (including on HN), in spite of the massive amounts of media harping on it. (I used to work in an FC.)

  • Kapura4 days ago
    The pedophile stuff is one thing, but the lying to investors stuff is what I think is most likely to actually have an effect on the company. Pretty egregious stuff on both fronts, regardless.
  • majestik3 days ago
    Roblox stock is only down ~ 3% today, not sure what to make of that, other than maybe all this was already factored in to the price.
    • hipadev233 days ago
      It's because the assertions around inflated key metrics have one of two outcomes:

      1) Their research and conclusions are incorrect.

      2) Their research is correct and Roblox's ARPU is significantly higher than reported.

      • majestik3 days ago
        True, but I’m equally concerned about the other topic in the report - pedophilia / CSAM content, child grooming, etc.

        There should at least be a call for law enforcement investigation.

        • hipadev233 days ago
          Roblox is very active in monitoring, moderating, and reporting that sort of activity. Last year they reported 13,316 incidents of suspected pedos/groomers to NCMEC and law enforcement. Can they do better? Absolutely. But Roblox is a massive global platform with tens of millions of children on it every day. And you know where pedos hang out? Places with kids.

          In terms of the other questionable stuff (inappropriate, offensive, racist, and generally hateful stuff) I mean it's again a platform inhabited by edgy kids and teenagers. I'm not very concerned about that content. Roblox does moderate and ban users and content all the time. Beyond that? It's on parents to restrict if they don't want their kids exposed to the reality of people, especially kids, being assholes on the internet. [2]

          [1] https://www.missingkids.org/content/dam/missingkids/pdfs/202...

          [2] https://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/03/19/green-blackboa...

  • navjack274 days ago
    I am absolutely against the whole "oh won't somebody please think of the children!?" mentality... But the Roblox situation is simply "oh won't somebody please think!?".

    This is either:

    the Nazi bar problem brought to its logical conclusion.

    Greed and ignorance.

    Or somebody high up in the company is really into this stuff...

    Or something else I can't even fathom.

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