163 pointsby mooreds7 hours ago22 comments
  • davidschof6 hours ago
    Their senior solution architect vacancy has similar pay: https://www.english-heritage.org.uk/about/our-people/careers...

    Somewhat less eminent job title though.

    • sgtan hour ago
      > We offer flexible working arrangements where the role allows. This role can be based at our offices in Swindon, or worked on a hybrid pattern. You will be required to attend our Swindon offices 1 day per week.

      Pretty decent flexibility though.

    • riffraff6 hours ago
      I would love to have "Stonehenge architect" as a job title.
      • oaiey5 hours ago
        They really miss out on opportunities here.
    • vanuatu5 hours ago
      that is abysmal!
      • eterm5 hours ago
        That's a fairly standard wage outside London for senior developers.

        UK wages are not great.

        • siva75 hours ago
          i wouldn't call that standard wage, rather the lowest end of the spectrum where you could theoretically shop a "senior" outside of london.
          • n4r94 hours ago
            Median senior dev salary is £70k according to recent job postings: https://www.itjobswatch.co.uk/jobs/uk/senior%20developer.do
            • eterm3 hours ago
              And that includes London, it lists "excluding London" as £65k.

              People overestimate how much senior devs in the UK earn, even after knowing they're not well paid, my usual response to hearing we should be earning £90k+ is, "well give us a job then"!

              • sgt2 hours ago
                A friend is making about £180k / yr in London, and they bought a house recently in London. I think that's a lot, and his wife also makes a similar amount, slightly more. That seems to be the minimum, otherwise you're a renter for life. Pretty nuts.
                • uxcolumboan hour ago
                  As a senior dev?

                  What sector?

                  • sgt39 minutes ago
                    A product lead/architect in Finance.
                  • philipwhiukan hour ago
                    Probably FANG or finance.
        • dwrobertsan hour ago
          The balancing force to this though, is that cost of living outside of London is massively lower
      • Ndymium5 hours ago
        As a Finnish dev with 12 years of experience, I can only aspire for such salary.
        • ksec4 hours ago
          Are you serious? Sarcasm Don't translate well on internet.
          • IshKebab4 hours ago
            He's serious. American programming salaries are an extreme outlier. You guys are in for a massive shock if they ever normalise.
            • monkey_monkey2 hours ago
              Or in the next few years as AI devours the profession.
      • yzydserd5 hours ago
        Maybe you missed the “25% discount in our shops and cafes” perk for the day you need to be in the office. Score.
      • marysol53 hours ago
        Wait till you see UK wages, when it's the UK arm of a US firm....
      • blitzar5 hours ago
        wait till you hear about the stock grants and vesting schedule
        • shalmanese4 hours ago
          Be warned though, the equity you are granted will be exceedingly illiquid.
          • londons_explore2 hours ago
            And you'll have to pay taxes on it despite it being unsellable.

            Screw those things up, and those taxes will bankrupt you because they can exceed all your other earnings.

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  • ggm6 hours ago
    * Must be proficient in use of mistletoe in unspecified rituals.

    * Must provide own sickle, and robes.

  • tekchip4 hours ago
    "From £64,189 p.a. depending on skills and experience"

    I maintained a collection of well organized rocks as a child. Surely that gets me a bit more than base pay right?

    • fergie4 hours ago
      Must be a rockstar
      • Lioan hour ago
        There's got to be a way to shoehorn in a Spinal Tap reference here, I just haven't had enough coffee yet to think of it.
        • philipwhiukan hour ago
          The height of the stones goes to 13!
    • stinkbeetle3 hours ago
      I'm afraid that won't even get a foot in the door in this market. You must have at least 5 years experience managing Salisbury megaliths to meet the selection criteria.
      • blitzar2 hours ago
        even if you grind lots of leet-stone problems?
  • SLHamlet5 hours ago
    RE Your predecessor

    No one knows who he was, or what he was doing.

    But his legacy remains hewn in the HR dock of Stonehenge.

    • nDRDY3 hours ago
      Some say he was let go after a design error lead to some dwarves kicking over the first stonehenge.
  • Quarrel6 hours ago
    Damnit. No WFH option.
  • chicagojoe5 hours ago
    I was slightly disappointed when I first visited Stonehenge as the standard tours keep you fairly far away and roped off.

    But, I took a modestly more expensive "Inner Stones" tour a few months ago and lucked out being selected to be fully alone for a minute. It was a profound experience being in the middle of such a historic place.

    Highly, highly recommended!

    • laurencerowe5 hours ago
      Best of all go during the summer solstice when there is free public access. It’s really quite fun.

      During the the 1980s and ‘90s there were regular clashes between new age hippies and police stopping them from reaching Stonehenge during summer solstice before public access was allowed.

    • madaxe_again3 hours ago
      I highly recommend avebury, about 20 minutes down the road. Absolutely enormous megalithic complex, huge man-made hill, and you can just wander where you wish, go hug a menhir, whatever you fancy - and there’s hardly ever more than a handful of other people there. Oh and it’s free.
      • TheOtherHobbes3 hours ago
        You must have gone at a quiet time. Avebury can be absolutely heaving in the Summer and on the traditional pagan quarter days.

        It also has a pub, a restaurant, a gift shop, a museum founded by a marmalade magnate, and if you're really rich you can buy one of the houses inside the circle.

        Generally a happier experience than Stonehenge.

        If megalithic rocks are your thing there's also the nearby West Kennet Longbarrow, which is far more likely to be deserted, especially at night, although if you go on the quarter days (nights) you'll probably meet weirdly-dressed people lighting candles and throwing spells around.

        • jbaber6 minutes ago
          West Kennet Longbarrow's also appropriately spooky. I've been there with people too scared to stay inside.
  • madrox6 hours ago
    Building a henge, are we?
    • kombookcha6 hours ago
      You bastards, you never told me 200 miles. 200 miles in this day and age! I don't even know where I live now!
      • madrox5 hours ago
        I wish the Christians would hurry up and get here
        • kombookcha3 hours ago
          God, I had that entire Dress To Kill show loaded up on my old timey mp3-player along with Definite Article, Glorious and Sexie. Barely any room for music, but I was giggling my way through every day trying not to look too insane in public.

          Izzard probably rewired my brain more than any other single comedian.

    • curtisblaine4 hours ago
      Technically Stonehenge is not an henge (even the term henge comes from Stonehenge)

      > Ironically, even though Stonehenge has an earthwork circle around it (the earliest phase of the monument), it isn’t officially a ‘proper’ henge, as the main ditch is external to the main bank. It has to make do with being a ‘proto-henge’.

      https://www.english-heritage.org.uk/visit/inspire-me/what-is...

  • mattoxic6 hours ago
    I would have thought you'd need to be a druid
  • throw3108224 hours ago
    Better than Head of Easter Island.
  • xtorol6 hours ago
    Due to a typo in the paperwork sent to HR by the hiring manager, they are only paying 64,189 pence. The director was last heard chastising HR, saying "It's not your job to be as confused as Nigel."
  • faangguyindia6 hours ago
    i know quite a few dev ops and frontend guys who were employed for last 4 years and are now driving taxi in india.
  • zuzululu6 hours ago
    really wish i keot my british passport
  • onion2k5 hours ago
    "If I get the role, what will my budget for repairs be?"
  • readthenotes16 hours ago
    "Job type Permanent"

    I bet they enjoyed typing that in.

    "5,000 years+ -- depends on you"

    Might be another option if it were freeform text

  • russellbeattie6 hours ago
    I caught a live stream of Stonehenge during this past Winter Solstice (it was cloudy, naturally) and the streamer provided a bit of trivia that I hadn't heard before:

    George Washington's English ancestors, specifically Sir Lawrence Washington, were the owners of the West Amesbury Estate in Wiltshire, England, which included the land where the ancient Stonehenge monument sits. (Via Google)

    If you hadn't that before, welcome to the "Huh, that's a funny coincidence" club.

    • hdgvhicv4 hours ago
      Rich people have lots of descenders who tend to be rich.

      Washington was a wealthy landowner in the British Empire, hardly surprising his ancestors were wealthy landowners.

    • robotresearcher3 hours ago
      What’s it a coincidence with?
      • marysol53 hours ago
        "Rich man had a rich family, how queer"
    • lifestyleguru2 hours ago
      Land owners also had married within family so I you checked their family tree two persons could be simultaneously spouses and cousins. That's a coincidence!
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  • Mistletoe6 hours ago
    Honestly feels like a dream job. Imagine your ancestors smiling down on you if you are from Britain or just human.
    • kijin5 hours ago
      Considering the location, I would imagine that the ancestors prefer to haunt the barrows at night. Still a dream job if that's your thing. Just watch out for the occasional Nazgûl. :)
  • _alternator_7 hours ago
    On the front page? LLMs got lots of us programmers dreaming of leaving the profession, I suppose.
    • tyre6 hours ago
      Is this not super cool regardless? Even if you love tech, was a fun little gem.
  • celsius14147 hours ago
    Missed opportunity to say they’re ‘looking for a rock star to lead our team!’
    • peebee676 hours ago
      They pretty much are, too. It certainly reads like some tech job ads. Rock star with 30 years experience. Graduate wages.
    • chappi426 hours ago
      They don't look for rock stars. English heritage wants ideology:

      "You can connect with others through our EDI networks as a member or ally. These include Ethnic Diversity, Faith & Belief, Social Equity, LGBTQ+, Neurodivergence, Age, Disability and Gender Health and Wellbeing."

      (Should have mentioned Talibans, handy to blow up misplaced stones)

      • kitd5 hours ago
        Why is that ideology?
        • chappi423 hours ago
          DEI, "woke ideology". It is not ideology in a strict sense.
      • marysol53 hours ago
        Are you ok?
    • samplatt5 hours ago
      Tasks include: looking at rocks, stars.
    • laszlojamf6 hours ago
      "a solid leader who can carry the weight of our massive responsibility"
  • pants27 hours ago
    Sounds like a very cool job, and not sure about the UK job market, but seems to be wildly underpaid for the qualifications!
    • kristianc5 hours ago
      This, shockingly, is actually quite well paid considering for the UK.

      Lead Data Scientist for the UK Government is currently advertising for a salary of £57,670 - £67,500.

      https://www.civilservicejobs.service.gov.uk/csr/jobs.cgi?jco...

    • kaonwarb7 hours ago
      Not disagreeing, but it's also worth something to know, and say, that you are in charge of Stonehenge.
      • sva_6 hours ago
        Must be an extraordinary honor to be in charge of a bunch of rocks over there.
        • cyclopeanutopia5 hours ago
          Wait until you learn some people are swapping bits all day long, isn't that crazy?
          • kefabean4 hours ago
            I call them Bit Shepherds
        • 650REDHAIR5 hours ago
          Yes?
    • loeg6 hours ago
      This is like a 90th percentile UK salary.
      • marysol53 hours ago
        In reality, because the "salaries" higher than this aren't paying in PAYE.
        • bdavbdav16 minutes ago
          I’m not sure that’s strictly true. I think you’ve got to go a long way up the salary ladder until you’re in a situation where you can command more complicated arrangements (certainly when working for larger companies)
    • YZF6 hours ago
      36 hours per week. 25 days vacation (going to 28). Pension contributions. You can buy extra leave. Epic location, fun job, decent salary for the UK (where e.g. you don't pay for healthcare)...
      • robotresearcher3 hours ago
        You do pay for healthcare, from the taxes on that salary.
        • marysol53 hours ago
          Fun fact, so do Americans, just they don't get the service for it!
      • Tepix4 hours ago
        Yeah, the 25 days of vacation are a bit disappointing, in Germany 30 days are standard.
        • tikkabhuna4 hours ago
          Is that including or excluding bank holidays? In the UK, 25 days excluding the 8 bank holidays is pretty standard.
    • ascorbic4 hours ago
      This is a decent salary for a heritage job. It is a very poorly-paid sector. On building sites with archaeological excavations, the person driving the digger is likely to be paid more than the archaeologists, who probably have postgraduate degrees.
    • phyzix57616 hours ago
      Don't forget to deduct the 25% effective tax rate.

      Calculator: https://www.tax.service.gov.uk/estimate-paye-take-home-pay/y...

    • jrflo6 hours ago
      I'm not in the UK, but from what I understand that's actually decent. US salaries, particularly in tech, are wildly higher than in most of Europe.
      • oaiey5 hours ago
        UK tech salaries are also not high. And 64k pounds for a history and/or business major is quite right. Do not forget also: history is a overrun study with many people afterwards driving taxis
    • techterrier7 hours ago
      this isnt all that *bad for something in the conservation / heritage / ngo sector

      edit: *obviously its not a wonderful salary, but for the sector....well I've seen worse.

    • moomin4 hours ago
      The charity sector rarely pays well.
    • y-curious7 hours ago
      Especially considering minimum wage “salary” in the UK is ~24k GBP, 64k is nothing imo. They call it the “wage squeeze”
      • laurencerowe4 hours ago
        The UK has had substantially less wage inequality than the US for a long time. The UK “wage squeeze” is median/minimum wage which has gone from the 1/3 to 2/3 since ~2000 as the minimum wage has been raised. But the relevant difference here would be around 90th percentile/median which is 1.85 in UK vs 2.4 in US and even higher in California.
        • hdgvhicv4 hours ago
          And over time the ratio is similar - 90%ile about 1.9 times median for the last 30 years.
      • UnfitFootprint7 hours ago
        Average full time salary is 40k GBP. It’s +50% on the average which seems right for a non profit organisation in a non exec role
        • jacknews5 hours ago
          It is a leadership role though.

          I don't know how many staff there are, but it's surely one of EH's most important locations.

      • loeg6 hours ago
        This is like 90th percentile UK salary. It's good pay for the UK, a poor country.
        • gbro3n6 hours ago
          The UK is still the 5th biggest economy in the world. Public infrastructure feels like it's under huge strain however, and there is also a big problem with inequality, which seems to be changing under Labour, albeit slowly.
          • somenameforme6 hours ago
            Raw economy size can be misleading in two ways. The value of a dollar is much less or much more depending on where you're at. So an economy of 10 shekels might mean an economy of 100 widgets, or it might mean an economy of 1 widget. Purchasing power parity (PPP) attempts to account for that. The second is that economies are largely a product of population. An economy of a million making a million shekels is quite a bit different than an economy of 10 making a million shekels, so you also want to look at per capita values. Even both of these adjustments combined [1] can be extremely misleading (see: Ireland and many other places...), but they provide at least a less unreasonable basis for comparison than nominal dollars. And the UK is currently 30th there.

            [1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)...

            • leoedin40 minutes ago
              I think GDP per capita can also be misleading though - the GDP per capita of Luxembourg or Brunei is high, but they're such small countries that it's kind of irrelevant.

              Setting aside the special cases (tiny, oil money, weird finance sectors, tax havens etc) there's basically a handful of countries which are clearly doing something right - the US, Taiwan, the north-eastern European countries (Germany, Austria, Netherlands, Belgium, Denmark, Sweden). Most of the other "developed countries" are sitting in the same sort of GDP per capita range of $65-$75k. Ranking these isn't so meaningful - the difference between the UK and France is only 1.5%.

          • marysol53 hours ago
            Until it's destroyed by the people who destroyed the country last time.

            Seems they are hell-bent on getting rid of them

          • kristianc5 hours ago
            Inquality has barely moved per Gini in the last thirty years, and GDP is very misleading.

            https://ifs.org.uk/data-items/gini-coefficient

        • geysersam6 hours ago
          Let's not be delusional. The UK is not a poor country, and 64K is low by US tech standards but it's good by any other measure.
          • kristianc5 hours ago
            If the UK were a US state, its GDP per capita would rank it roughly on par with or just below Mississippi, making it the poorest state in the union.
            • aEJ04Izw5HYm5 hours ago
              While true from a per capita equivalency and too close for comfort, the median net worth of an adult in the UK is roughly $150,000, while in Mississippi it's $15,000. Also, its public services are provided, which substantially affects the quality of life.
          • loeg5 hours ago
            The UK is poor and sprinting as fast as it can towards being poorer.
            • leoedin36 minutes ago
              This is such a misuse of the word poor. Have you actually been to a poor country?

              The UK is poorer than the US - sure. But it's wealthier than most other countries in the world. Not just in terms of GDP per capita or average household wealth, but also in infrastructure terms - the cumulative effect of being a wealthy industrialised country for so long is a huge amount of infrastructure.

              I think it's fair to say that UK wealth growth has slowed at the same time as many other countries have caught up. So the UK is no longer the leader it once was. But that's very different from saying it's a poor country. It's just not.

          • bpodgursky6 hours ago
            It's not a "good" wage in the US. It's exactly median.

            Which is fine, someone has to be median, but really underwhelming for the (presumably highly-educated and talented) head of the #1 national historical monument.

            • mrwh6 hours ago
              It's £64K, not $64K (which is indeed about the median in the US). So, not bad.
              • bpodgursky6 hours ago
                Ah I misread that, but $86k is still not good for a highly educated professional.
                • marysol53 hours ago
                  Highly educated?

                  It's a leadership role, there's no education requirements on it.

                • oaiey5 hours ago
                  It is good for a professional with specialization in history.
                  • hdgvhicv4 hours ago
                    Superintendent of Mount Rushmore is paid $125–160k
      • enraged_camel6 hours ago
        Yeah, but 25 days holiday plus bank holidays means you're working like half the year at most. ;)
        • dylan6046 hours ago
          And don't you knock of at lunch on Fridays anyways? So that's like a 4 day work week, because let's face it, you're not really doing anything on the day you're knocking off early anyways. See you at the pub!
          • marysol53 hours ago
            Read-Only-Fridays, and having a pub lunch so you're not doing much all afternoon anyway!
    • swarnie7 hours ago
      Just a smidge over $63k after tax and before gibbs.

      The job market over here is shocking.

      • loeg6 hours ago
        This is equivalent to $85,700 USD, not $63k.
        • theodric6 hours ago
          Read it again. $63k after tax and before "gibbs" i.e. government-provided social distributions.
          • hdgvhicv4 hours ago
            63k after tax in the us is about 86k before tax, so about the same.

            Although in the us you have to pay for healthcare on top of that.

            • marysol53 hours ago
              You pay for a private healthcare plan, and the US government pays tax money to the same healthcare companies to prop up the system.
      • dismalaf7 hours ago
        Lol in Canada 64,000 pounds = $120K CAD which would put you in the 92nd income percentile.
    • ai-roundup7 hours ago
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  • green_wheel7 hours ago
    What's your role?

    I'm a CSO.

    Oh nice, Strategy or Security?

    Stonehenge.

    • quuxplusone6 hours ago
      "Just to be clear, you are saying you manage a hedge fund, right?"

      "Yeah, a henge fund."

      "Hedge fund."

      "Henge fund."

      "Hedge."

      "Henge."

      "...I think we're on the same page."

    • bfeist6 hours ago
      Heard of it?
  • smashah6 hours ago
    Stonehenge would be a great AI Lab name!